Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[imsounoriginal]

I understand the disappointment with Jurassic Park. There's really no excuse for such heavy DNR at times. I'm not sure why they didn't push the HDR more but I assume it was out of respect for the original photography; if so, hard to complain, and I won't pretend to know how the movie should look. This is very much a Batman Begins situation in that it's an upgrade, but there are baffling technical shortcomings that relegate this top-tier movie to a very mid-tier transfer. Shame.

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

That's not the JP III I saw multiple times in the theater back in 2001.

I remember it looking rather "bleached".

No. JP3 did not have the bleach bypass look. I remember it looking beautiful. Slightly warm and but not as much as the 35mm of Jurassic Park or even JP2. The misty scenes had a cold but still a vibrant timing. Skin tones always looked more tanned than what's in the BD.

Some pics of a JP3 release print. They might not be 100% accurate but they give an idea as to the general look of the 2001 film -

JP31.jpg

JP32.jpg

Jp33.JPG

JP34.JPG

JP35.JPG

Don't judge the sharpness of the image from these frames as they were taken with a very poor quality camera and an operator who obviously does not know how to focus properly.

The black areas in the print would have much more detail and brightness due to light from the film projector bulb.

[Gold Ranger]

Pulling a Bundy is actually putting a long overdue book back on the library shelf trying not to, but getting caught anyway

Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack

Finally, and this is childish, but I had somehow never noticed that Goldblum pulls an Al Bundy shortly after arriving on the island.

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[Brian81]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I understand the disappointment with Jurassic Park. There's really no excuse for such heavy DNR at times. I'm not sure why they didn't push the HDR more but I assume it was out of respect for the original photography; if so, hard to complain, and I won't pretend to know how the movie should look. This is very much a Batman Begins situation in that it's an upgrade, but there are baffling technical shortcomings that relegate this top-tier movie to a very mid-tier transfer. Shame.

Tho BB has quite a bit which looks very good and clearly 4K appearance. Just has some atrocious scenes. Nothing on CAH looks 4K. Maybe in a Bourne Identity 4K sense. As the format evolves, this one will be viewed more and more poorly.

[s_har]

Originally Posted by Ben_UK

I’m curious about how the CGI shots were delivered and at what resolution. If there was ever a restoration, could the CGI be “re-done”? I presume the CGI shots were rendered and then dumped onto an intermediate of some kind?

I seem to remember someone posting here something about some shots being 1K and others were 1.5K? Or was that the resolution of the scanned plates only? Not entirely sure.

Given the high resolution of UHD and the low resolution nature of the CGI shots I'm guessing the best way to go about it would have been to not use the filmouts of those shots, but instead use ILM's original digital master (providing those still remains archived somewhere), upscale them to 4K and then grade those shots to match the other shots in the scene.

At least going by the photos of printed magazine pics provided by VickPS in this post https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2633 there clearly appears to exist a higher quality version of these shots in some place or form than what we've been offered on the UHD.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by shy86

It’s a whoopsy. There’s no Dolby vision on any of them. Just hdr10

Yeah they accidentally put the specs for the double dip UHD on the back

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by nick4amber

Paging fan-edit community...

It's not a good enough master to bother with, we don't want the job.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

No. JP3 did not have the bleach bypass look. I remember it looking beautiful. Slightly warm and but not as much as the 35mm of Jurassic Park or even JP2. The misty scenes had a cold but still a vibrant timing. Skin tones always looked more tanned than what's in the BD.

Some pics of a JP3 release print. They might not be 100% accurate but they give an idea as to the general look of the 2001 film -

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Don't judge the sharpness of the image from these frames as they were taken with a very poor quality camera and an operator who obviously does not know how to focus properly.

The black areas in the print would have much more detail and brightness due to light from the film projector bulb.

Look at the blues and the shadows.
That is exactly the bleach bypass look.

[Alfred E. Neumann]

The release print of Jurassic Park III looks like Jurassic World.

[Jimllfaxit]

Who worked on this set, Mr Magoo?

[HeavyHitter]

I watched The Lost World last night and liked what I saw. The detail can be rather good and definitely a step above JP. I did spot a very tiny bit of ringing or EE in several scenes, but not a big issue. The HDR seemed applied nicely and the overall color saturation seemed well done and what I would expect.

As for the black crush, do you guys have some exact time stamps because nothing really stood out to me. I mean there are a lot of dark sequences, but I don't always expect to see "great" shadow detail on everything I watch either and did the Regular BD suffer from the same?

[Geoff D]

It's not about "great" shadow detail HH, it's about the black being rolled off in such a way in the HDR grade that it creates a very hard, "posterised" looking transition between light and dark. Universal have applied their standard HDR black crush to several UHDs and some react way better than others.

Malcolm in the high hide is one such example, I mean the whole high hide sequence itself is one example but his close-up just before he rappels down was a big standout for me. On the BD the graduation into darkness on his face, down onto his jaw line, is smoothly handled from light to dark but on the UHD the brightness just kinda 'stops' and this mass of darkness takes over, along with a fetching red tint to his face. It's tough to describe and even tougher to get a photo of (I've tried), it's the sort of thing that once you see you can't unsee. If the mapping is lowering the APL anyway then the effect may well get swallowed up by the darker looking image, but at the full brightness curve for ST2084 it just looks wrong. And yes, those high hide shots have ALWAYS looked like ass in general, that's not my problem here. I'm saying that they look even more assy, along with several other darker scenes in the film.

[Pyoko]

Originally Posted by Jimllfaxit

Almost the exact same edge enhancement is still present in this shot.???

It's a VFX shot, the sharpening is unfortunately baked into the film.

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Can someone make a comparison between UHD and this hi-res still?

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Sure:

The saturation is because it's in the middle of a lightning flash, it only looks like that for a few frames.

Also reposting some shots as my image host seems to have died, UHD and then regraded:

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by brian81

tho bb has quite a bit which looks very good and clearly 4k appearance. Just has some atrocious scenes. Nothing on cah looks 4k. Maybe in a bourne identity 4k sense. As the format evolves, this one will be viewed more and more poorly.

EDIT: nvm found out what CAH is.

I think saying "nothing looks 4K' is an overstatement, but for the sake of argument, fine. You're right. But it would still at the very least look like a very good Blu-ray, while the existing Blu-ray looks like a DVD. So still an upgrade.

[LordoftheRings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Vh...ature=youtu.be

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

cah?

▪ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cong...al_hyperplasia

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's not about "great" shadow detail HH, it's about the black being rolled off in such a way in the HDR grade that it creates a very hard, "posterised" looking transition between light and dark. Universal have applied their standard HDR black crush to several UHDs and some react way better than others.

Malcolm in the high hide is one such example, I mean the whole high hide sequence itself is one example but his close-up just before he rappels down was a big standout for me. On the BD the graduation into darkness on his face, down onto his jaw line, is smoothly handled from light to dark but on the UHD the brightness just kinda 'stops' and this mass of darkness takes over, along with a fetching red tint to his face. It's tough to describe and even tougher to get a photo of (I've tried), it's the sort of thing that once you see you can't unsee. If the mapping is lowering the APL anyway then the effect may well get swallowed up by the darker looking image, but at the full brightness curve for ST2084 it just looks wrong. And yes, those high hide shots have ALWAYS looked like ass in general, that's not my problem here. I'm saying that they look even more assy, along with several other darker scenes in the film.

I would like to take a closer look at this on my set-up. I'm still not certain at what scene - when you say high hide sequence?

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

That's not the JP III I saw multiple times in the theater back in 2001.

I remember it looking rather "bleached".

For what it's worth, that's what I remember too. Will try and give III a viewing tonight.

[HeavyHitter]

I will say I do like the overall look and cinematography of The Lost World. Having just seen the first movie the night before this one, the contrast between the two movies really stood out to me. Too bad the plot wasn't better.

[Ingram]

So, do they plan on reviewing this set or what? Because I'm buying it today and so long as the 1993 original isn't edge-enhanced to death and washed out in cold blues as it has been with the DVD/Blu-ray releases, I'll be relatively satisfied. Still, I'd like to know what I'm sinking my money into.