Predator 3D Blu-ray (1987) [Region Locked]

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Deja 101

Not sure if some of you are aware, but if you're a big fan of the franchise, this might just tickle your pickle.....

http://www.foxconnect.com/predator-3d-head.html

Available for pre-order at foxconnect.com
List price: 199.99
Pre-order Price 129.99
Release: December 2013

and yes, I said tickle your pickle....Don't judge me

*Insert Kenneth Williams impersonation here*

[raygendreau]

If the Predator 3D release using the JVC Kenwood largely automated conversion process is profitable, could the Alien series be next?

"The original 1987 Schwarzenegger classic has been meticulously restored and remastered for the 3D home video format akin to the recent upgrade of I, Robot. The booth features unconverted clips of the film and I will say that the imagery is very immersive and looks exquisite. Speaking with a Fox representative, I inquired about future releases of Fox films to get the 3D treatment and while no official word has been given, the Alien films could be in the cards"

http://www.geekexchange.com/sdcc-201...-3d-72431.html

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

If the Predator 3D release using the JVC Kenwood largely automated conversion process is profitable, could the Alien series be next?

"The original 1987 Schwarzenegger classic has been meticulously restored and remastered for the 3D home video format akin to the recent upgrade of I, Robot. The booth features unconverted clips of the film and I will say that the imagery is very immersive and looks exquisite. Speaking with a Fox representative, I inquired about future releases of Fox films to get the 3D treatment and while no official word has been given, the Alien films could be in the cards"

http://www.geekexchange.com/sdcc-201...-3d-72431.html

Oh god I hope not. Does every classic film need to be converted to 3D.

Before you ask why I'm even on this thread. It's because I'm hoping for a remastered 2D transfer as well which it looks like it might be happening with this release.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

Oh god I hope not. Does every classic film need to be converted to 3D.

Before you ask why I'm even on this thread. It's because I'm hoping for a remastered 2D transfer as well which it looks like it might be happening with this release.

I believe Predator 3D will be handled the same as the JVC converted I Robot. 3D and 2D is on the same Blu-ray disk. The 2D is the left eye of the 3D. No separate 2D. More info in the early pages of the 3D forum thread. This is the second offering in the Fox JVC attempt to find a way to provide catalog 3D content at a reasonable cost of production. The second was supposed to be Independence Day The conversion probably took a handful of people a few months to convert. Compare that to Titanic which took about a year with hundreds of people involved in the conversion process. The primary objective of Fox/JVC is to find a way to provide low cost 3D content to media providers for streaming/rental in order to bolster the interest in 3D and increase the hardware/display adoption rate.

I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect some measurable difference in quality compared to the last 2D release of Predator BD. The clips showing at Comic Con may not be indicative of the entire 3D release. There have only been a few first hand accounts of the 3D clips shown at the Fox booth.

You will probably have to wait until late Nov. when review disks go out to have any idea of how good or bad this release is.

[HeavyHitter]

Pure speculation...

But it seems to me the 2D UHE was primed for 3D when created; they brightened it considerably (brightness in 3D an issue for a lot of displays), pumped up the colors, heavily degrained it, and boosted contrast. If that's not set-up for a 3D conversion I don't know what is!

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Pure speculation...

But it seems to me the 2D UHE was primed for 3D when created; they brightened it considerably (brightness in 3D an issue for a lot of displays), pumped up the colors, heavily degrained it, and boosted contrast. If that's not set-up for a 3D conversion I don't know what is!

We've had a valid source a few pages back claiming that the film is getting a new transfer. I hope that means a new HD master as well, who knows.

We'll have to wait and see.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by tylergfoster

Good news:

https://twitter.com/tylerfdvdtalk/st...26543474966528

Could you ask him if they've struck a new HD master as well and what source elements they've used if it's possible?

That would be greatly appreciated.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Pure speculation...

But it seems to me the 2D UHE was primed for 3D when created; they brightened it considerably (brightness in 3D an issue for a lot of displays), pumped up the colors, heavily degrained it, and boosted contrast. If that's not set-up for a 3D conversion I don't know what is!

What are you referring to as 'pure speculation'


Regarding the reason for the low cost conversion, here is the JVC news release: http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2012/nab/jvc_fox.html

And http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...ntent-drought/


"3D Conversion JVC Technology

2Oth Century Fox is working on the conversion to 3D stereoscopic format with JVC Kenwood technology in order to keep the costs down - some says it will cost around one third of the usual 50,000 to 70,000 $ per minute."

With this in mind, and the fact that there is no plan for a theatrical release and the PR and Marketing cost that that would entail, why would you think they would spend any more money than is absolutely necessary on this?

[Snikt]

Well...if that's the case; looks like I'll be purchasing another Predator Blu-ray. This really is the movie I've purchased the most in various formats.

Bought it on VHS; bought it on DVD; bought the special edition DVD; bought the Blu-ray; bought the UHE Blu-ray; if this next Blu-ray is available in 2D and completely re-mastered, I'll definitely buy it...again

[tylergfoster]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

Could you ask him if they've struck a new HD master as well and what source elements they've used if it's possible?

That would be greatly appreciated.

I'll ask him when the Con is over.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by tylergfoster

I'll ask him when the Con is over.

Thanks.

[Zivouhr]

Nice 3D, JSmithi82.

Originally Posted by DB5

There's some real hate for Predator being made in 3D and 3D in general in the linked thread
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=216914
I just don't understand it, nobody holds a gun to peoples heads and makes them buy these movies in this format, why so much hate ?

A lot has to do with:
a. Fear that a new format will replace a format they just invested in.
b. Eye strain caused a headache the first time they watched 3D.
c. The movie they saw in 3D had weak 3D.

3D and 2D can co-exist together without one having to take over the other. There should always be an option, as not everyone has two eyes or that work as they should.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Chances are they'll take the 2010 DNR disaster and convert it. As I said earlier, another cash grab just like I, Robot. They know some people will buy anything with 3D on it. That's why bastardizations such as The Avengers 3D, Top Gun 3D, and Clash of the Titans 3D exist.

I hear you; I Robot had weak 3D, along with much of Clash 3D. Those weak 3D conversions give 3D a bad name, because of the fact they're nearly 2D, defeating the whole point of 3D having stronger dimension as with every day sight.

From what I read, I Robot is an auto converted title, where they used computers to figure out a lot of the depth mapping/layers, unlike with Jurassic Park 3D or Titanic 3D, where they manually decided those 3D elements with the computer as a tool, not the decision maker. The results of I Robot's 3D? Weak despite a couple decent 3D action shots.

If Predator 3D has the stronger 3D of Jurassic Park, Titanic's direct 3D conversions, I'll buy it. If it's weak 3D like I Robot, I'll pass.

Avengers 3D? I'm assuming you didn't see the final act in 3D and walked out of the theater beforehand, or your theater's 3D projection was marred. The 3D in final act of Avengers was stronger hybrid 3D, where much of it is CGI rendered 3D graphics in a computer, much like the stronger stereo 3D in a computer animated movie like The Croods or Turbo 3D, both from Dreamworks. But I agree, the dialog shots had mild 3D that could have been amped up if they gave it more time/money to convert.
See Pacific Rim's 3D as a shining example of stronger 3D.

3D should never replace 2D media, but they can both exist as an option alongside one another for those interested. Glasses Free 3D will also be a welcome future option.

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

If the Predator 3D release using the JVC Kenwood largely automated conversion process is profitable, could the Alien series be next?

First, I hope not...

Second, if they were converted, it wouldn't be on the cheap with the JVC system. The film director's wouldn't allow it. (Seriously, you think Cameron and Scott would do conversions on the cheap.)

Now, before you go... "John McTiernan didn't have a say." - Duh, he's in jail, and the fact Fox claims the UHE was McTiernan approved, is highly dubious, he was in the middle of trying to stay out of jail back then, and then had to go serve for a year earlier this year.

fitprod

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by fitprod

First, I hope not...

Second, if they were converted, it wouldn't be on the cheap with the JVC system. The film director's wouldn't allow it. (Seriously, you think Cameron and Scott would do conversions on the cheap.)

Now, before you go... "John McTiernan didn't have a say." - Duh, he's in jail, and the fact Fox claims the UHE was McTiernan approved, is highly dubious, he was in the middle of trying to stay out of jail back then, and then had to go serve for a year earlier this year.

fitprod

Well, we don't know how much money Fox and JVC are going to commit to this low cost approach to catalog 3D conversion. As far as director approval is concerned, Alex Proyas was asked but declined to be involved in the I Robot conversion.

If we ever see True Lies and The Abyss in 3D using this auto conversion technique we'll know that Cameron has signed on. It could happen.

[OldPangYau]

I've yet to buy Predator on Blu-ray because of all of the transfer issues over the years. Too much grain on the first release, barely any on the second... someone just hit the damn "Goldilocks button"! But, if they finally nailed a great 2D transfer amidst the 3D one, I might finally give it a shot.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Well, we don't know how much money Fox and JVC are going to commit to this low cost approach to catalog 3D conversion. As far as director approval is concerned, Alex Proyas was asked but declined to be involved in the I Robot conversion.

If we ever see True Lies and The Abyss in 3D using this auto conversion technique we'll know that Cameron has signed on. It could happen.

Cameron, if he has any say as fitprod suggested, has pretty high 3D standards for his films. So if he has any say in it, I'd bet he rather see it offered in 2D than settle for a weak 3D offering.
But I see your point in that if the film properties are out of his hands, then we can only hope whoever is in control and decides, makes the 3D medium or strong and none of the weak 3D junk.

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

As far as director approval is concerned, Alex Proyas was asked but declined to be involved in the I Robot conversion.

Yeah... How'd that work out? If the creators are alive, and don't want to be involved, it shouldn't be done.

If we ever see True Lies and The Abyss in 3D using this auto conversion technique we'll know that Cameron has signed on. It could happen.

[George Bush Voice] Read my lips... Not gonna happen.[/George Bush Voice]

If Cameron converts Abyss to 3D it will be under his supervision, with an actual conversion house, and not the cheap JVC system.

He's already shot down True Lies for a 3D conversion... Abyss was a possibility. (Most likely as a companion piece to Avatar 2 or 3, when he establishes the Jellyfish on Earth, are actually time traveling sprites from Pandora, sent back in time to stop people from destroying the atmosphere.)

fitprod

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Cameron, if he has any say as fitprod suggested, has pretty high 3D standards for his films. So if he has any say in it, I'd bet he rather see it offered in 2D than settle for a weak 3D offering.
But I see your point in that if the film properties are out of his hands, then we can only hope whoever is in control and decides, makes the 3D medium or strong and none of the weak 3D junk.

Here's the issue. There isn't enough 3D product in the new film pipeline to increase the adoption rate of 3D for the home market. This is a problem for the industry as a whole. The studios have attempted to address this by selling 3DBD/2DBD/DVD packages. The public buys the disks, but it hasn't increased the sales of 3D displays. So, the current thinking is more 3D product is required over and above that currently available from new movies.

Cameron and others have established the acceptability of catalog conversions with high profile offerings like Titanic, Star Wars, Top Gun and Jurassic Park. Those were all expensive, labor intensive, time consuming conversions.

The next step is to provide low cost, fast 3D automated conversions of acceptable quality to increase supply and achieve profitability. Even if they are successful, there is no guarantee that it will increase the home 3D adoption rate.

All the studios are carefully watching the Fox JVC attempt to accomplish this. James Cameron, Ridley Scott, Stephen Spielberg and others are fully invested in the success of 3D. I think a lot is riding on this Predator 3D release.

[wesslan]

They can do whatever they want with the 3D transfer just get me a unmolested (keep the grain!!) new 2D scan (4k would be awesome) and I will be happy