Tarantino = Overrated??

[Elvis]

How in the Hell can he be overrated? He is either good, bad or so so! Is Kubrick overrated? He had just as many bad films as he had good ones. Id George Lucas overrated? He has directed two good films (American Graffiti and TMP) and one great film (Star Wars) and thats it! The rest has been terrible to mediocre. Is Spielberg overrated? He was great until 1993 and now look.....most of his more recent stuff is not that great. Martin Scorsese overrated? The guy makes one type of film usually and cant seem to live without Deniro!

The thread title should read I hate QT and think hes overated! Anyone else agree?

[peterng]

He never win any oscar award in this life time because what he is ... you are what you are and you deserve what you get ... unless you change ... Remember Led Zepplin lyrics in "stairway to heaven" ... He needs to learn from Sean Penn ... he has that talent ... just needs to do it in a right way ... hang around with Clint Easwood may be he learns something good ...

[jimmystewart]

Originally Posted by peterng

He never win any oscar award in this life time because what he is ... you are what you are and you deserve what you get ... unless you change ... Remember Led Zepplin lyrics in "stairway to heaven" ... He needs to learn from Sean Penn ... he has that talent ... just needs to do it in a right way ... hang around with Clint Easwood may be he learns something good ...

While I'm not a fan of QT I don't agree with this. An American in Paris did not deserve to with the best pic Oscar (especially over A Place in the Sun), Gigi did not deserve to win the best pic Oscar (especially over COAHTR), Newman did not deserve to win only one Oscar in his career (same goes for Stewart). The Academy just has shite taste.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally Posted by Elvis

How in the Hell can he be overrated? He is either good, bad or so so! Is Kubrick overrated? He had just as many bad films as he had good ones. Id George Lucas overrated? He has directed two good films (American Graffiti and TMP) and one great film (Star Wars) and thats it! The rest has been terrible to mediocre. Is Spielberg overrated? He was great until 1993 and now look.....most of his more recent stuff is not that great. Martin Scorsese overrated? The guy makes one type of film usually and cant seem to live without Deniro!

The thread title should read I hate QT and think hes overated! Anyone else agree?

Nobody wrote a biography about Lucas, Scorsese or Kubrick after they directed only two movies, but that is exactly what happened to Tarantino. After the success of Pulp Fiction there were four biographies published on the new boy wonder of cinema! I consider that to be a bit too much, and too early in any director's career to warrant a biography.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally Posted by peterng

He never win any oscar award in this life time because what he is ...

We've gone over this before. He did win an Oscar, for best screenplay. To reiterate:

Originally Posted by J. J. Hunsecker

Tarantino won an Oscar for the screenplay to Pulp Fiction, as well as the Palme D'Or in Cannes. He won a BAFTA, Golden Globe, and Independent Spirit Award for best screenplay, too. He was also nominated for those awards, and the Directors Guild of America Award, for direction, but did not win. He was nominated for an Emmy, too, for an episode of CSI he directed.

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Martin Scorsese overrated? The guy makes one type of film usually and cant seem to live without Deniro!

I know...it's such a terrible thing when a director is able to get incredible performances out of an actor again and again, not to mention he hasn't worked with said actor in his last 7 movies

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Sussudio

I know...it's such a terrible thing when a director is able to get incredible performances out of an actor again and again, not to mention he hasn't worked with said actor in his last 7 movies

You keep saying that...and you keep taking it to literally! The bottom line is this: Almost all of his films are of the same type. Also I think he has used one actor maybe more than anyone in history! Not 100% sure on that though. Maybe John Ford used Wayne more? In any case I never said I did not like him as a director, I said he has spent most of his time on that one horse! Is he overrated? Can he be overrated? Can QT?

oh and what did Lucas say about using Ford too much? He said he didnt want him to become his Bobby DeNiro! So there is some validity there don't you think?

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by Elvis

You keep saying that...and you keep taking it to literally! The bottom line is this: Almost all of his films are of the same type. Also I think he has used one actor maybe more than anyone in history! Not 100% sure on that though. Maybe John Ford used Wayne more? In any case I never said I did not like him as a director, I said he has spent most of his time on that one horse! Is he overrated? Can he be overrated? Can QT?

oh and what did Lucas say about using Ford too much? He said he didnt want him to become his Bobby DeNiro! So there is some validity there don't you think?

When did I say that before (I honestly don't remember)??

Either way, I do agree that Scorsese tends to stick around the same genre in many of his films, but it is a genre he does extremely well, and imo he branches out enough every now and then so as to not completely typecast himself. There is something to be said for versatility, but I also think if you find a great director-actor pairing--two people who work incredibly well with each other--it's smart to stick with it.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally Posted by Elvis

You keep saying that...and you keep taking it to literally! The bottom line is this: Almost all of his films are of the same type. Also I think he has used one actor maybe more than anyone in history! Not 100% sure on that though. Maybe John Ford used Wayne more? In any case I never said I did not like him as a director, I said he has spent most of his time on that one horse! Is he overrated? Can he be overrated? Can QT?

oh and what did Lucas say about using Ford too much? He said he didnt want him to become his Bobby DeNiro! So there is some validity there don't you think?

There's nothing wrong with a director sticking to a particular genre, or working with the same actor again. Hitchcock, Ford, Preston Sturges, Frank Capra, etc, all did that. That's not what makes a director "overrated". What makes them overrated is getting effusive praise that far out weighs their actual accomplishments.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by J. J. Hunsecker

There's nothing wrong with a director sticking to a particular genre, or working with the same actor again. Hitchcock, Ford, Preston Sturges, Frank Capra, etc, all did that. That's not what makes a director "overrated". What makes them overrated is getting effusive praise that far out weighs their actual accomplishments.

Right and where has QT been praised so much? Where?

And I never said I didnt think Martin was a great director...I never said he was overrated. I said you can say the same thing about all of them. I guess thats the point I was trying to make. I mean I can go start a thread for each one of them. The OP just has a beef with QT and wanted to get a rise out of folks.

Oh and where is this effusive praise? Links please....

[onemorechance]

hes amazing

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Right and where has QT been praised so much? Where?
Oh and where is this effusive praise? Links please....

I guess you never read any of the movie reviews when Pulp Fiction was released. Maybe you're too young to remember those days, but I recall there were countless essays written about the man and his sophomore effort. (A few of them were collected in book form in one of the links below.)

Like I mentioned earlier, there were four biographies written about Tarantino when his filmography consisted of only four screenplays, two of which were directed by him:

Tarantino: A to Zed (1996)

Quentin Tarantino: Shooting From the Hip (1995)

Quentin Tarantino: The Cinema of Cool (1995)

Quentin Tarantino: The Man and His Movies (1995)

Four freakin' biographies after only two pictures! (And they were more like hagiographies.) What had he accomplished at his age that directors like Orsen Welles or Martin Scorsese hadn't? They never had biographies praising them after only two pictures!

Since that time there have been more books published on the man and his movies. Three more after the release of Jackie Brown but before Kill Bill::

King Pulp: The Wild World of Quentin Tarantino (1998).

The Tarantinian Ethics (2001)

Quentin Tarantino: The Film Geek Files (2000)

There was also a collection of interviews with Tarantino in book form, titled plainly enough Quentin Tarantino: Interviews (1998).

More recently, there were:

Quentin Tarantino and Philosophy (2007)

Quentin Tarantino - the Man, the Myths and His Movies (2007)

Raised by Wolves: The Turbulent Art and Times of Quentin Tarantino (2006)

Quentin Tarantino (part of the "On Directors" series, 2006)

Tarantino (2005)

Quentin Tarantino (2005)

Quintessential Tarantino (2005)

[PH3AR]

Originally Posted by Sussudio

When did I say that before (I honestly don't remember)??

Either way, I do agree that Scorsese tends to stick around the same genre in many of his films, but it is a genre he does extremely well, and imo he branches out enough every now and then so as to not completely typecast himself. There is something to be said for versatility, but I also think if you find a great director-actor pairing--two people who work incredibly well with each other--it's smart to stick with it.

He does a great job of that genre thou, and his new movie SHutter Island looks excellent and not a mobster movie

[Mahatma]

I think QT has been going down hill as a director,and a writer.Lost that edge which made his films such an event.Remember when RD came out.Massive hype,and it lived up to it.PF the same.Really had high hopes for him,but after KB I saw the writing on the wall.I don't think he's ever going to reach the heights of his former days.Sad.Not that Inglorious basterds was bad craftmanship,but too dissjolted and-dare I say it-cheesy to matter.

But that said,I'm still waiting for his next masterpiece

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by peterng

He never win any oscar award in this life time because what he is ... you are what you are and you deserve what you get ... unless you change ... Remember Led Zepplin lyrics in "stairway to heaven" ... He needs to learn from Sean Penn ... he has that talent ... just needs to do it in a right way ... hang around with Clint Easwood may be he learns something good ...

Most horror movie directors will never win an Oscar because of what they direct, take {for example} Lloyd Kaufman {yes, of Troma fame} he never won an Oscar but he's inspired a good chunk of people to get into film.

Michael Bay never won any Oscars, but he's good at putting explosions in his movies and having said movies make money. Does it mean he's any good? That's up for the end user to decide. I think he's good at what he does, mindless popcorn flicks that are good to suck you in and ignore the world outside for 3 hours while watching giant robots kick the crap out of each other. And he never really makes any claim otherwise.

How many Oscars has Johnny Depp won? Zero, zilch, nada. Yet ask any woman on the planet if they think he's a good actor, some will say no, but many many others will say that they'd watch anything he were in. {Hell, I could film a movie of Johnny Depp doing nothing but reading the phone book for 2 hours and I can guarantee you that it would make money}

Looking to certain awards doesn't mean that an actor is good or bad, or a director is good or bad, it just means they have an award. I take a look at the overall category, and I tend to lean more towards the awards that people have that are voted on by the populace rather than the Hollywood types.

Logan

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Right and where has QT been praised so much? Where?

Here's his list of wins and noms for awards:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000233/awards

Logan

[broganreynik]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Looking to certain awards doesn't mean that an actor is good or bad, or a director is good or bad, it just means they have an award. I take a look at the overall category, and I tend to lean more towards the awards that people have that are voted on by the populace rather than the Hollywood types.

Logan

To be fair, that would mean that the Twilight cast and crew are far more talented than Clint Eastwood and Martin Scorsese combined.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by J. J. Hunsecker

I guess you never read any of the movie reviews when Pulp Fiction was released. Maybe you're too young to remember those days, but I recall there were countless essays written about the man and his sophomore effort. (A few of them were collected in book form in one of the links below.)

Like I mentioned earlier, there were four biographies written about Tarantino when his filmography consisted of only four screenplays, two of which were directed by him:

Tarantino: A to Zed (1996)

Quentin Tarantino: Shooting From the Hip (1995)

Quentin Tarantino: The Cinema of Cool (1995)

Quentin Tarantino: The Man and His Movies (1995)

Four freakin' biographies after only two pictures! (And they were more like hagiographies.) What had he accomplished at his age that directors like Orsen Welles or Martin Scorsese hadn't? They never had biographies praising them after only two pictures!

Since that time there have been more books published on the man and his movies. Three more after the release of Jackie Brown but before Kill Bill::

King Pulp: The Wild World of Quentin Tarantino (1998).

The Tarantinian Ethics (2001)

Quentin Tarantino: The Film Geek Files (2000)

There was also a collection of interviews with Tarantino in book form, titled plainly enough Quentin Tarantino: Interviews (1998).

More recently, there were:

Quentin Tarantino and Philosophy (2007)

Quentin Tarantino - the Man, the Myths and His Movies (2007)

Raised by Wolves: The Turbulent Art and Times of Quentin Tarantino (2006)

Quentin Tarantino (part of the "On Directors" series, 2006)

Tarantino (2005)

Quentin Tarantino (2005)

Quintessential Tarantino (2005)

I could put the same amount of links about all the other directors mentioned. Give it up already! What he did with Pulp Ficton was pure magic. One of the 5 best films of an ENTIRE DECADE!!!. Also, you have way too much time on your hands.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by broganreynik

To be fair, that would mean that the Twilight cast and crew are far more talented than Clint Eastwood and Martin Scorsese combined.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000142/awards

Eastwood won 5 people's choice awards. And many MANY other awards.

Logan

[Offender_Mullet]

To say that Tarantino is overrated, then for people to randomly jab at Scorsese is humorous.

I believe the majority of people who get turned-off by Tarantino is because of his use of rich dialogue. Either those people don't like "talky movies", or they are not witty enough (or don't have the patience) to keep up with the quick lines.