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[disneyfreak]

Originally Posted by yumny

Yeah, so I wonder why OP thought there was a difference? Maybe one was an HD broadcast and the other wasn't?

I believe the Hunchback DVD out right now isn't even a digital transfer, for whatever reason Disney could have used a upscaled version of the print that they used for the DVD.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

Hunchback and Hercules don't need a to be remastered/restored, they are both digital.

Originally Posted by yumny

Yeah, so I wonder why OP thought there was a difference? Maybe one was an HD broadcast and the other wasn't?

Previous video masters used for broadcast and home video was not digital, but a telecine of a film version. It's not like they take the CAPS files and broadcast them, video masters must be created. Hercules now has a CAPS sourced video master, which was used for the HD cablecast. AFAIK Hunchback does not (yet).

[Wyndam]

Not counting the movies that don't have a set release date but have been announced for certain years (2012: Atlantis: The Lost Empire & Brother Bear, 2013: Aladdin, The Little Mermaid & Wreck-It-Ralph; 2014: Frozen, The Jungle Book, Peter Pan), we have 18 movies left for release, unless my math is wrong.

So I wonder if we'll see 9 (12 total) released in 2013 and 9 (12 total) in 2014, and then we'll have the entire Disney canon on Blu-Ray?

I imagine the package films would be the last ones to get released. I bet they will package them together, which is fine by me. Either two releases (Saludos Amigos, The Three Caballeros & The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad in one; Make Mine Music, Fun and Fancy Tree & Melody Time in another), or three releases with The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad separate.

I hope they can get them all rolled out by 2015.

[zoodermin]

Originally Posted by yumny

Really, that one?
Then again, stranger things have happened. A lot of us were surprised with Disney putting out four of their misfires this year (atlantis, bb etc.)

Well, that's why I put it under possibilities. Besides, Roger Rabbit is coming next year as a 25th Anniv. (granted that film was a success while Oliver was just a moderate success) and they could be released the same day?

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by JavaJulien

This is just a theory of mine, but I think that a lot of the "resentment" towards Hercules is that it was suppose to be their big "Win back the crowds movie." Both Pocahontas and Hunchback made money, but they were also both heavily criticized in comparison to the earlier "Big 4." Hercules has a massive marketing campaign ("The Directors of Little Mermaid and Aladdin!") and then it ended up making even less than the previous films. It made a return, but in a lot of ways it was the Princess & the Frog of the 90's.

Siskel & Ebert gave it a double thumbs down at the time, which, in the Renaissance 90's, was a thunderbolt. Audiences just didn't warm to it, starting from the trailers. (Woods: "Wait, is my hair out?")

Poc & Hunch failed for being overly melodramatic and ulterior-motived (Poc to sell the Virginia park and Hunch to sell the musical)--
But Herc's case was the opposite: At that point, we were still expecting them to "quality" us to death, and the toony-stylized Gerald Scarfe design brought out all the Home on the Range "Eww, it looks funny!" complaints, and the "hip-current" burlesque gags made it feel like Disney was being either lazy or sneering to their source material, which blame fell back in Eisner's lap again.

But again, it takes a Disney Afternoon TV series to put a 90's/00's disappointment into context and make it watchable.

Originally Posted by ChrisDilke

I actually think Hercules is more likely to get a Blu release next year than Hunchback. They were both shown a few weeks ago on Channel 5 HD, and Hunchback did not look it had been remastered. Hercules has and the HDTV version looked great.

Again, think they're just chronologically marching down the list from the "Troubles" end of the Eisner era to Pocahontas where they caught up, in the exact same way they started the Gold DVD collection--To "push" the rest of the catalog out onto shelves, with one or two every month, since disk mastering had finally become easy enough to do bare single-disk B-catalog movies, and the titles weren't making money in the Vault.
1997's near the end of the list when we've got '99 (Tarzan) and '00 (Groove) to get through first. If Hercules IS more likely than Hunchback, it's because Hunchback has a sequel to 1+2 market separately, out of sequence.

(And like Pinocchio, neither one has been even touched for a new disk version since they were New Release Golds, so yes, there may be some effort to clean them up for the first time.)

[yumny]

Originally Posted by goeagles5039

Ok sounds good. Mulan is my favorite disney movie and I remember watching it on VHS like a thousand times

Well good news, like said by another poster here, Mulan is pretty much set for 2013. The only issue is if it's going to be bundled with it's cheapquel. Hopefully not

[anthonyb]

Originally Posted by yumny

Well good news, like said by another poster here, Mulan is pretty much set for 2013. The only issue is if it's going to be bundled with it's cheapquel. Hopefully not

Can't imagine why it wouldn't be, unfortunately.

[yumny]

Originally Posted by anthonyb

Can't imagine why it wouldn't be, unfortunately.

I'm gonna puke.
Mulan is definitely one of the "lesser" Disneys in my opinion, but I still value it as a classic and I have quite some nostalgia for it. It's kind of good one way or another. The sequel is just not.

[disneyfreak]

Originally Posted by yumny

I'm gonna puke.
Mulan is definitely one of the "lesser" Disneys in my opinion, but I still value it as a classic and I have quite some nostalgia for it. It's kind of good one way or another. The sequel is just not.

I didn't think the sequel was that bad...

[yumny]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

I didn't think the sequel was that bad...

Definitely better than Lion King II or Pocahontas II, but to bundle it with the original is still bad.

Hope they just do a seperate release so that people who like it fine on it's own (such as you) can collect it for themselves. I see their reasoning perfectly for not wanting to release crap bags like Poc II and FatH II on their own..

[disneyfreak]

Originally Posted by yumny

Definitely better than Lion King II or Pocahontas II, but to bundle it with the original is still bad.

Hope they just do a seperate release so that people who like it fine on it's own (such as you) can collect it for themselves. I see their reasoning perfectly for not wanting to release crap bags like Poc II and FatH II on their own..

I disagree The Lion King II IMO is one of the best Disney sequels, definitely better than Mulan II. Either way I would like it to be released seperately, especially if they stack the discs.

On another note, I asked Disney if they have any Pinocchio slips in stock, and they said they do not, and they will not be replenishing the stock.

[PuppyJonathan]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

I disagree The Lion King II IMO is one of the best Disney sequels, definitely better than Mulan II. Either way I would like it to be released seperately, especially if they stack the discs.

On another note, I asked Disney if they have any Pinocchio slips in stock, and they said they do not, and they will not be replenishing the stock.

Definitely, in fact Lion King 2 would actually be a great movie, if it wasn't a dtv sequel

[disneyfreak]

Originally Posted by PuppyJonathan

Definitely, in fact Lion King 2 would actually be a great movie, if it wasn't a dtv sequel

Just because its a DTV doesn't justify it as a bad movie, several of the DTV sequels are good. The only thing that is wrong with a few of the dtv sequels is the animation is not as good as the precedent. Overall though, for the budget they were on, some of the sequels have pretty good animation. Imo some of the DTV have better storys than some of the feature animation.

[zoodermin]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

Just because its a DTV doesn't justify it as a bad movie, several of the DTV sequels are good. The only thing that is wrong with a few of the dtv sequels is the animation is not as good as the precedent. Overall though, for the budget they were on, some of the sequels have pretty good animation. Imo some of the DTV have better storys than some of the feature animation.

The Lion King sequels, Cindy 3, Mermaid 3, Peter Pan 2, Brother Bear 2 and Bambi 2 are in the "better half" of the DTVs. The others fall into the following categories: harmless (ex. Mulan 2) or just plain awful (ex. Belle's Magical World, Pocahontas 2). Sadly, non of these can qualify as "great" and I will never consider buying any of them but now I have TFATH 2 and will have Pocahontas 2 and Brother Bear 2 and all the other non Diamond sequels so thank you Disney for expanding my collection with these true "gems"

[zoodermin]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

Just because its a DTV doesn't justify it as a bad movie, several of the DTV sequels are good. The only thing that is wrong with a few of the dtv sequels is the animation is not as good as the precedent. Overall though, for the budget they were on, some of the sequels have pretty good animation. Imo some of the DTV have better storys than some of the feature animation.

Really?? Can you name one?

[blu_ben]

If The Lion King 2 had been given to the Feature Animation studio, and been released theatrically, it could have been great. The opening song, He lives in you, is utterly brilliant, as is We are one.

[disneyfreak]

Originally Posted by zoodermin

Really?? Can you name one?

IMO, Bambi II, The Enchanted Christmas, and The Lion King II story wise are better than Chicken Little, Dinosaur, and Home on the Range.

[zoodermin]

Originally Posted by blu_ben

If The Lion King 2 had been given to the Feature Animation studio, and been released theatrically, it could have been great. The opening song, He lives in you, is utterly brilliant, as is We are one.

I have to admit those songs are really good and the movie is okay but my main problems are that there is not a well defined main character (Kiara? Kobu? Simba?) and that none of them has an emotional growth such as Simba had in the first film. Also Zeera is not even half the villain Scar was. I mean, she is adequate but Scar is hands down the best villain in the entire canon!

Maybe you're right, if TLK 2 was given to the main studio they could've done a much better, emotional and epic movie, I guess we'll never know.

[zoodermin]

Originally Posted by disneyfreak

IMO, Bambi II, The Enchanted Christmas, and The Lion King II story wise are better than Chicken Little, Dinosaur, and Home on the Range.

Yeah I can accept that Bambi II and Lion King II are better, story-wise than those canon films but I don't like Enchanted Christmas at all. Maybe it's because Beauty and the Beast is my favorite Disney film but I can't stand any of its sequels.

The saddest part is that if it weren't for Alan Menken songs, Home on the Range feels and looks like a DTV.

[Ernest Rister]

Anyone posting text reading "Bambi II is better than Bambi"...you're pouring battery acid into my eyeballs.