Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K UHD (1977-2019)

[Deciazulado]

Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K Blu-ray

[eddievanhalen]

How's the sound of the Star Wars movies (specially the OT) available in 4K on Disney+?
Despite being Dolby Digital Plus (that is a more eficient codec than conventional Dolby Digital), these are on Dolby Atmos. I think by the sound of them we can get an idea of how they will sound on disc.
If the audio tracks of the Star Wars movies in 4K is compressed like The Last Jedi, chances are that they will also be compressed on the BD/UHD BD versions too.
Could somebody who has watched them on Disney+ comment on the sound of these?

[Jr7936]

the price different of the complete blu saga vs 4k is crazy
$74 for the blu ray while $199 for the complete 4k one. These are converted prices from amazon.co.uk

[Jeyl]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But on the other hand he still regards them as personal embarrassments, the 1977 original especially, and it remains his prerogative to keep them under wraps

I don't think it's shame. I think they're just depressing reminders of what I can only guess was one of the bleakest periods of Lucas' life. If you want to know more, look no further than the history behind that stained glass dome in the Skywalker Ranch library. It paints a pretty sad picture of what the success of the original Star Wars Trilogy brought Lucas in the end.

[martydmc12]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

Um, yes. He does own the movies. They're his to do with as he pleases. He paid for them to be made in some cases. So yeah. They're his and he can do what he wants.

You clearly have no understanding of contracts and the legalities of ownership of copyrights and trademarks with your comments. Disney owns them 100%. If anything, there's probably a clause in the contract when he sold to Disney, that they are not permitted to release the original theatrical cuts under any circumstance without his approval.

So for those who don't see George as a hypocrite, you think it's perfectly acceptable for an artist to go before the federal government, and make a case for the right that no one should be allowed to tamper with completed and released art, and that how it's should remain, as he did in the 80's when Ted Turner was coloring black and white movies. This led to the creation of the National Film Registry. Then he in-turn goes and does the exact thing he was against, and somehow that's not hypocritical?

What about all the awards the original films won for visual effects, a massive technological achievement for the film industry, and a good portion of that now erased from the original films. You're fine with that also? I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to make changes, what I'm saying is he should be suppressing and making an effort to erase the originals from history.

There's also the theory that one of the reasons George won't release the originals has nothing to do with art, and more about money. When he divorced Marcia Lucas in 1983, she took 50% of George's estate, which included Lucasfilm. Many believe that when he vaulted the originals in 1995, the 1997 Special Edition's basically received a new bar code, and a new MPAA number on each of the films, thus eliminating any residuals and payouts he still had to make to Marcia. This would also explain why the original films were added as special features on the 2006 DVD's, and not as the full theatrical presentation itself. This is just a theory and many have, and it would make a lot of sense as to why George refuses to release the theatrical cuts if this were to be true. A lot of money would be made if they were released, and who knows how George might still be able to profit off of the original theatrical cuts if they were released; all that fun legal stuff could make it possible.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Jeyl

I don't think it's shame. I think they're just depressing reminders of what I can only guess was one of the bleakest periods of Lucas' life. If you want to know more, look no further than the history behind that stained glass dome in the Skywalker Ranch library. It paints a pretty sad picture of what the success of the original Star Wars Trilogy brought Lucas in the end.

Spill the tea.

EDIT: Never mind, I Googled it. So George Lucas' wife ran off with the chap who built it? Yikes.

[martydmc12]

Originally Posted by steev210

From the Digital Bits 12.19.19:

One thing is likely however: This set will probably NOT include the original unaltered versions of the classic films. Director JJ Abrams was recently interviewed during the press junkets for the new film and revealed that he attempted to get Lucasfilm to release them but they declined. Disney could have a handshake deal with George Lucas not to do so. It is, at least, good to know that Abrams tried to get it to happen.

SOURCE:

https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/m...ts/121919-0930

I saw this also on The Bits. I'll give Abrams the benefit of the doubt on this one, even he can see the loss for both Star Wars fans and cinephiles with the suppression of the OT.

Seeing films like John Wayne's The Alamo being close to lost due to deterioration because of age and negligence by the studio is one thing, but to be purposely doing this to one of the most important and iconic films in the history of the motion picture is a tragedy.

This will only fuel piracy of the OT, and will ultimately be Disney Lucasfilms' loss. God bless, Harmy.

[martydmc12]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Spill the tea.

EDIT: Never mind, I Googled it. So George Lucas' wife ran off with the chap who built it? Yikes.

There's a book called "The Secret History of Star Wars" released nearly a decade ago. The author continues to post updates and articles that didn't get into the book. There's a great article about Marica here.

[martydmc12]

Here's the full article which has been referenced...

J.J. Abrams Wants The Original Star Wars Trilogy Theatrical Cuts To Be Released Again

Alas, as J.J. Abrams also told NowThis, it sounds like not only are there no plans to release the Original Trilogy theatrical cuts anytime soon, it won’t happen at all. The filmmaker said, "I’ve been told that for reasons I don’t necessarily understand, that’s not possible."

I don't advocate film piracy, but in this case, I'm all for it. If I had the time, money and resources, I would be handing out Blu-ray copies of the Harmy Despecialized Edition to the masses for free!

[ambient_indie]

Originally Posted by martydmc12

Here's the full article which has been referenced...

J.J. Abrams Wants The Original Star Wars Trilogy Theatrical Cuts To Be Released Again

Alas, as J.J. Abrams also told NowThis, it sounds like not only are there no plans to release the Original Trilogy theatrical cuts anytime soon, it won’t happen at all. The filmmaker said, "I’ve been told that for reasons I don’t necessarily understand, that’s not possible."

I don't advocate film piracy, but in this case, I'm all for it. If I had the time, money and resources, I would be handing out Blu-ray copies of the Harmy Despecialized Edition to the masses for free!

I'm in the same boat. Star Wars is the exception for me when friends I talk with haven't seen the originals in YEARS. I'm like, you're in for a treat.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by Jr7936

the price different of the complete blu saga vs 4k is crazy
$74 for the blu ray while $199 for the complete 4k one. These are converted prices from amazon.co.uk

The 4K box set will 9 more additional discs in addition to the Blu-rays. That's why there is a price difference. Man, what is up with all the crying over prices now? it's cost some money to produce these. Nothing is free.

Originally Posted by martydmc12

You clearly have no understanding of contracts and the legalities of ownership of copyrights and trademarks with your comments. Disney owns them 100%. If anything, there's probably a clause in the contract when he sold to Disney, that they are not permitted to release the original theatrical cuts under any circumstance without his approval.

So for those who don't see George as a hypocrite, you think it's perfectly acceptable for an artist to go before the federal government, and make a case for the right that no one should be allowed to tamper with completed and released art, and that how it's should remain, as he did in the 80's when Ted Turner was coloring black and white movies. This led to the creation of the National Film Registry. Then he in-turn goes and does the exact thing he was against, and somehow that's not hypocritical?

What about all the awards the original films won for visual effects, a massive technological achievement for the film industry, and a good portion of that now erased from the original films. You're fine with that also? I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to make changes, what I'm saying is he should be suppressing and making an effort to erase the originals from history.

There's also the theory that one of the reasons George won't release the originals has nothing to do with art, and more about money. When he divorced Marcia Lucas in 1983, she took 50% of George's estate, which included Lucasfilm. Many believe that when he vaulted the originals in 1995, the 1997 Special Edition's basically received a new bar code, and a new MPAA number on each of the films, thus eliminating any residuals and payouts he still had to make to Marcia. This would also explain why the original films were added as special features on the 2006 DVD's, and not as the full theatrical presentation itself. This is just a theory and many have, and it would make a lot of sense as to why George refuses to release the theatrical cuts if this were to be true. A lot of money would be made if they were released, and who knows how George might still be able to profit off of the original theatrical cuts if they were released; all that fun legal stuff could make it possible.

Whatever reasons George had for making those changes are his and his alone. I don't find it hypocritical myself, as he not completely revising the whole thing. He's just making some tweaks and adjustments (in my mind). Happens all the time. Do I like it? Not particularly, but it's not my movie. Therefore, I cannot dictate what George needs to do. It sounds as though George has gone and totally re-done the movie though from what you're saying. And in all reality he hasn't. Plus, the original unaltered movies are still out there. They're not just available for public consumption. Which is something we're not entitled to. We are owed nothing just because we saw some movies in a theater over 40 years ago.

[martydmc12]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

Whatever reasons George had for making those changes are his and his alone. I don't find it hypocritical myself, as he not completely revising the whole thing. He's just making some tweaks and adjustments (in my mind). Happens all the time. Do I like it? Not particularly, but it's not my movie. Therefore, I cannot dictate what George needs to do. It sounds as though George has gone and totally re-done the movie though from what you're saying. And in all reality he hasn't. Plus, the original unaltered movies are still out there. They're not just available for public consumption. Which is something we're not entitled to. We are owed nothing just because we saw some movies in a theater over 40 years ago.

Actually, we are entitled to the originals, as it's considered a work of art that is considered historically and culturally important. The National Film Registry alone is proof of that. And the vast majority of filmmakers, even Lucas' friends and colleagues all agree that once a film is released, that it's done and over with; that is the final product. Scorsese, Spielberg, Zemeckis, Coppola have expressed this; Spielberg even retracting the changes he made to E.T. for the 20th Anniversary, and Raiders of the Lost Ark, in which the DVD release he removed the reflection of the snake in the glass, then went back with the original for the Blu-ray release. Even Lucas' own friends have urged him to release the original theatrical cuts, yet he won't. And as far as the National Film Registry is concerned, they still don't have prints of any of the Star Wars films in their library, because Lucas has only offered them the special editions, not the originals, which they've refused, because that's not what they inducted into the library.

Go watch "These Amazing Shadows"

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOMaV8HEX1s&feature=youtu.be&t=120"

especially the part about when Ted Turner is colorizing classic films. They don't show the footage, but Lucas was there presenting the same case as many others did, that important films shouldn't be tampered with.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I've got no problem with director's cuts, or special editions, but Ridley Scott's Blade Runner box set is what I consider the gold standard in how to do it right. Include all cuts of the films, properly remastered and restored, and give the audience the option to choose which version they want to so.

Yes you are right, they're not completely erased from the home video format; I own a copy of the LD Definitive Edition. My biggest concern isn't even about availability at this point, it's about the condition of the original negatives, if Lucas hasn't already destroyed them. The longer they sit on a shelf with our proper preservation and restoration, the faster they're going to deteriorate, and they'll be gone forever. If you really think that that's okay, and we lose the original negative's forever because of the filmmaker himself being unsatisfied with the work because he was restrained by the technology at the time, that's pure ego driving him, not at sake of the art.

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by martydmc12

There's also the theory that one of the reasons George won't release the originals has nothing to do with art, and more about money. When he divorced Marcia Lucas in 1983, she took 50% of George's estate, which included Lucasfilm. Many believe that when he vaulted the originals in 1995, the 1997 Special Edition's basically received a new bar code, and a new MPAA number on each of the films, thus eliminating any residuals and payouts he still had to make to Marcia.

This theory falls down the second you realise there are intellectual property lawyers.

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

The 4K box set will 9 more additional discs in addition to the Blu-rays. That's why there is a price difference. Man, what is up with all the crying over prices now? it's cost some money to produce these. Nothing is free.

There's 50% more discs, and it costs about 150% more money. So...no. Dumb argument.

[koberulz]

Suggesting that George Lucas editing his own films is the same as Ted Turner editing other people's films is disingenuous.

[Nothing371]

Honestly, this one is a pass for me. The Force Awakens release in 2015 was a monumental event at the time, but re-watching all of the Star Wars movies just isn't that important anymore. Unless the 4K discs are massive upgrades then I think the BDs will serve just fine. Many of Disney's recent 4K disc efforts have been nothing to write home about.

I barely watch the blu-ray sets that I bought years ago. Will probably wait until these go down in price and then buy the singles just for the plain 4K discs. I already have nice steelbooks for all of the previous movies. This is exactly the type of release that you wait for a sale to buy. Just look at what Disney did this week at Best Buy. Boy do I feel foolish for buying the whole lot of MCU steels for $35 apiece in recent months. You can wait for a sale on these too.

More than anything I want Rogue One on 4K. Other than that I probably just need the original trilogy and episode 1.

The other issue is that there is going to be no shortage of Star Wars Skywalker Saga trilogies and boxed set releases going forward. There will be other brand new sets released during most of the next few Christmases. Most importantly, this set doesn't have the unaltered original movies. This is a couple hundred dollar boxed set and there is nothing definitive here.

[martydmc12]

Originally Posted by koberulz

This theory falls down the second you realise there are intellectual property lawyers.

I think it's more George has to pay her alimony, and whatever he makes in profits from the original films has to go to her, not to mention possible royalties as editor on A New Hope and ROTJ.

It's just a theory that's been floated around amongst many different people, some even within the industry.

[koberulz]

Right, but making a handful of minor changes and calling it a different film only works if the other party can't afford a lawyer to take you to court, at which point a judge will laugh at you for thinking it works that way.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I guess you could say the shark "was barely in" Jaws, too, but... he was still kinda important anyway.

Yeah, he was the villain. It was always Luke’s arc in the OT.

And for reading comprehension’s sake, the poster said he was the “main” character, not just an “important” one. He was not, until the prequels. Things like that help if you’re trying to reply.

[SuperFlyHighGuy]

Hopefully TFA gets a separate release on UHD when Rise of Skywalker does, no interest in ever seeing the SEs or Prequels again.

Cool set for those who want it though.

[Viking61]

Best Buy pre-order.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/star-wa...?skuId=6393929