Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That the road to hell is paved with them. Are you back on satirical mode now? I can never tell if you're actually making a serious point.

I tend to do both. Sometimes I feel a little lightheartedness goes with the levity. As serious as we are about our collection and love for 4k UHD at the end of the day it can all seem rather silly to a degree. At least to others. So if you can't have a laugh at yourself you can't get very far in life.

[The Rider]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The 3D in 2D looks incredibly soft, softer than even the UHD, and the ugly-ass mud brown colour and gamma that's much too low make it look so overly warm and thin. Watch it in 3D, with the intended correction from the tint on the glasses and the gamma being raised because 3D's brightness is so low, and it's eminently tolerable. But when viewing in 2D I'd rather have the UHD or even the old BD than the 3D.

That is not the point. ;-)
The 3D Blu-ray have the more accurate color grading compared to the 2D Blu-ray or UHD Blu-ray. That don`t say its an good alternative to the other discs and that is the big problem.
We have no accurate presentation on home video:
-3D Blu-ray is only for 3D viewing intended. On 2D viewing its too warm and smoothed.
-2D Blu-ray have the false color grading and ugly EE
-UHD Blu-ray is little DNRed and have the false color grading too.

[fighthefutureofhd]

I thought the color grading was fine on the UHD of Jurassic Park. But then I can't remember how the movie looked in theaters so I wouldn't be able to tell you what is the correct color grading. Not sure anyone other the producers, directors, cast, and crew could do that.

[LordoftheRings]

Did I get what I paid for? Yes, no more no less.
For some, less, for others, more, for the rest, right in the middle...about par for the course/curse.

It's all about that T-ReX roar in dts:X.

[s_har]

Originally Posted by The Rider

Maybe we could start a petition for a remastered Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray with the original color grading.

Yes. Getting a new UHD that's both reference quality and with the original color grading for the 30th anniversary would be perfect.

[infiniteCR]

Originally Posted by The Rider

That is not the point. ;-)
The 3D Blu-ray have the more accurate color grading compared to the 2D Blu-ray or UHD Blu-ray. That don`t say its an good alternative to the other discs and that is the big problem.
We have no accurate presentation on home video:
-3D Blu-ray is only for 3D viewing intended. On 2D viewing its too warm and smoothed.
-2D Blu-ray have the false color grading and ugly EE
-UHD Blu-ray is little DNRed and have the false color grading too.

As a huge fan of the 3D itself, I still think JP1's 3D color grade went way too warm/muddy with glasses on, but I don't actually know what accurate should be either, so just my opinion.

[Deric2014]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Perfect or not, their attempt at Jurassic Park would have shat all over Universal's version.

Very true

[Alan_Grant]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That the road to hell is paved with them. Are you back on satirical mode now? I can never tell if you're actually making a serious point.

https://youtu.be/xbGge7C6IOI?t=1m4s

You should've used that quote.....

[1924]

I don’t thinkSpiebergnhates JP at all. However for whatever reason he doesn’t seem to e involved with the home video Releases compared to the other movies

[Brian81]

I was looking at Vinegar Syndrome shots of Sweet Sweetback and it's pretty sad when THAT has a better looking presentation on standard BD than Jurassic Park has on 4K BD.

It's an all around pitiful release when you get down to it. Rather have it not on UHD at all and have it tossed off to Criterion, Arrow, or similar for a standard BD release. I guess it could be worse - like JPIII. Is it me or does T2 look better? There's at least good detail under all that wax.


https://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a...8&l=0&i=2&go=1
wtf?
https://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a...3&l=0&i=7&go=1
wtf?

At least for JPIII, Universal should not have released this title this way. It was bad enough that DVD-era masters were used for BD early on, but at least they were done in HD.

[buckeye1]

I apologize if this has been already posted.. I just got home a while ago and just now jumped on my PC and seen this. Sorry again in advance.

http://www.avsforum.com/jurassic-par...lu-ray-review/

[RemingtonSteele]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's not a tragedy but in a strange way a disappointment is worse to me. A tragedy you can write off, throw the disc away, but a disappointment can still retain glimpses of loveliness and then remind you just why it falls so far short of what it could and should be.

Lol... that sounds like thinking of an ex girlfriend.

Originally Posted by Win Slow

LOL. 3 is just so weird, and all over the place. But it does have a little bit of charm to it. I don't look at it as a total loss, but it is easily the least desirable of all the entries.

IMO III is one of those movies in which you at least care for the characters. In contrast to IV (World): For some reason, except of the wonderful optics and dinosaur effects, I don't like it at all... even though it tries to retell part one, IMO the story isn't told well. And I don't like the actors either (especially Chris Pratt and C.D. Howard).

Regarding the master of JP I: Could it really be that Universal maybe didn't even bother to get the 4k master of the 3D release (for such a simple reason it might have been stored at the remaster studio)? That would explain why the UHD looks so similar to the 2011 BD.

[BNex99]

Been reading through posts here, and am I understanding this correctly?

JURASSIC PARK, which was for a few years the single highest grossing film of all time and remains one of the most popular movies of the 1990s, and which was finished on film and has a fairly recent 4K scan available, had its 2018 UHD sourced from an early 2000s HD master?

[RemingtonSteele]

Well it seems like that yes, but I can't say for sure.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Holy cow, I actually agree with that review for the most part. I need go and have a lie down now, I ain't feeling so good!!

Apart form the 2k DI source bit.

[Riddhi2011]

"For their presentation in Ultra HD, Jurassic Park, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park III and Jurassic World
were rendered from a 2K DI and up-converted to 4K."

Oh dear! Even the first three were upconverted. This is why they look so similar to the 2D Blu-ray. They probably used the same 2000-era source. Shameful, considering they made boatloads of money from the franchise, especially from the horrible 2D BD! They couldn't even bother with 4K scans for 4K discs. If they weren't bothered with a proper high quality scan then it's too much to expect they'll bother with properly colour correcting these films.

[Lope de Aguirre]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

"For their presentation in Ultra HD, Jurassic Park, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park III and Jurassic World
were rendered from a 2K DI and up-converted to 4K."

Oh dear! Even the first three were upconverted. This is why they look so similar to the 2D Blu-ray. They probably used the same 2000-era source. Shameful, considering they made boatloads of money from the franchise, especially from the horrible 2D B! They couldn't even bother with 4K scans for 4K discs. If they weren't bothered with a proper high quality scan then it's too much to expect they'll bother with properly colour correcting these films.

What the....?!?!?

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by The Rider

Da you hnow if they did 2013 the 4K transfer in 4K (4K scan and complete postproduction in 4K) and the color grading before or after the 3D convertion.

Stereo-D's William Sherak had this to say in 2013, for the 3D conversion of JP: "We took the original 1993 35mm O-neg, did a 4K scan of the picture. We did a full restoration on the image, and a full color-correction. Steven really wanted to match the original look - the color is very similar to the original."

Link - https://www.fxguide.com/featured/wel...?cn-reloaded=1

Seeing as this UHD is neither a 4K scan, nor does it have the same colour timing, that 2013 4K master either sits in a hard drive at Universal's archival facilities, or was deleted after the 3D scan was finished. If so, then only a 2K 3D DI exists of that scan.

[s_har]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

"For their presentation in Ultra HD, Jurassic Park, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park III and Jurassic World
were rendered from a 2K DI and up-converted to 4K."

If this is true then I'm really getting pissed. It is one thing to upscale a digitally finished movie from a 2K DI. Upscaling movies that have been finished on film on the other hand is simply not acceptable.

And when the film in question even exists in a 4K scan yet they couldn't even bother to use that scan as the source then it is twice as provoking.

[Riddhi2011]

As for Spielberg's thoughts on JP, we have to ask Spielberg. He definitely considers it a great blockbuster and a groundbreaking technical achievement in cinema history. But whether he considers it a good film, we don't know.

For JP2, Spielberg has said he lost interest midway and felt himself receding four years back. He wanted to grow as a filmmaker and experiment and JP2 was holding him back.

This is Spielberg on JP2 - “I found myself in the middle of the sequel to Jurassic Park, growing more and more impatient with myself with respect to the kinds of films I really like to make. And often feeling that I have stuck myself in Doc Brown’s DeLorean and gone back in time four and a half years, and that I was just serving the audience a banquet, but I wasn’t serving myself anything challenging. I found myself saying, ‘Is that all there is? It’s not enough for me.’”

As for the masters, I think Spielberg is too big to care for home video processing. He cares about the theatrical experience, which is why he got involved with the 3D version. The 4K wasn't released theatrically, so he wouldn't really care.
If, say, JP got a 30th or 40th anniversary theatrical release and if Spielberg is alive and well and interested, he'd surely give it some attention. This 4K UHD was just a money-grab; banking on the latest UHD craze. The fans were demanding that Universal release JP films on UHD soon and voila!

Nothing more to say about this. I think it's just best to move on.