Fantastic Four (2015)

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They also got monotone personified as Dr. Franklin Richards. Seriously I know it's a bit part but couldn't you have gotten somebody better? Someone who could emote above that of a pet rock maybe?

[GC Riot]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

Your opinion about Ant-Man is fine, you're welcome to it.

I think Ant-Man looks ten times better than Fantastic Four. Ant-Man looks fun, clever, and like a good time. It's also pretty damn unique, fresh, and creative looking - how many superhero fights have taken place in a child's playroom? How many superheroes have tried to run over their villain with a Thomas the Tank Engine toy, while they're both an inch tall?

For me, that's something different. This Fantastic Four just looks more of the same. It looks like one of those movies that are an adaptation of a Young Adults book. If you removed the identifying superpowers in the trailer, you could fool people into thinking this is part of the Divergent movie series.

It looks like someone put Interstellar, Batman Begins, and Insurgent into a blender and Fantastic Four was the result.

But that's the thing. While Marvel is playing it safe and almost just straight up adapt their characters from the page, with the FUN and the SPECTACLE and the focus-tested jokes and dialogue that make Joe six-pack laugh (The train bit WAS fun, I'll admit), Fox seemed to be using a different approach here, something I initially felt could work. That maybe we would get more of a sci-fi drama about how real people would react if this happened to them, how the world would react and how everyone deals with this, placing the Fantastic Four in OUR world. This trailer however more or less says "Eh, eff it! Let's fill ér up with cookie cutter action!". I'm still hoping I'm wrong, that the action instead ends up taking a backseat to the drama, but that hope is rapidly disappearing.
P.S. I've got no real beef against Marvel, what they've done with their cinematic universe and the success they've had with it is incredible, but their formula is starting to grow really stale if you ask me. Daredevil gave me hope that it's just temporary though, so I haven't given up on them or anything. I won't be seeing this or Ant-Man in cinemas, that much is certain...

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by GC Riot

But that's the thing. While Marvel is playing it safe and almost just straight up adapt their characters from the page, with the FUN and the SPECTACLE and the focus-tested jokes and dialogue that make Joe six-pack laugh (The train bit WAS fun, I'll admit), Fox seemed to be using a different approach here, something I initially felt could work. That maybe we would get more of a sci-fi drama about how real people would react if this happened to them, how the world would react and how everyone deals with this, placing the Fantastic Four in OUR world. This trailer however more or less says "Eh, eff it! Let's fill ér up with cookie cutter action!". I'm still hoping I'm wrong, that the action instead ends up taking a backseat to the drama, but that hope is rapidly disappearing.
P.S. I've got no real beef against Marvel, what they've done with their cinematic universe and the success they've had with it is incredible, but their formula is starting to grow really stale if you ask me. Daredevil gave me hope that it's just temporary though, so I haven't given up on them or anything. I won't be seeing this or Ant-Man in cinemas, that much is certain...

Adapting characters straight from the page isn't "playing it safe"... it's just adapting good material and making a movie that pleases general audiences but also pleases comic book fans. Besides, it's not like Marvel hasn't made their changes (old Hank Pym). And they went with a legacy hero - it's Scott Lang, a smalltime crook/single dad, instead of another scientist superhero (Pym).

Look at it like this:

Darren Aronofsky wanted to make a Batman movie where Bruce Wayne was homeless, Alfred was "Little Al," a mechanic, Bruce's "journey" consisted of just reading books, and "Batman" was a guy with no money running around in a hockey mask beating up criminals with essentially nothing.

Would that have been a good movie? Maybe.

But as a Batman adaptation, it would be bad.

I don't care if Darren Aronofsky's Batman movie won Best Picture - it would still be a good movie, but a bad Batman movie.

Nolan's Batman films prove you can make both good movies and good Batman movies.

This Fantastic Four shouldn't be praised because it isn't an adaptation of the comic. If Reed was a slinky, Ben is an alien, Johnny is 80 years old, and Sue walked around in camouflage, would they be praised for "doing something different?" If they wanted to "do something different," they shouldn't have bothered adapting Fantastic Four.

Because then it winds up as an "in name only" kind of thing. And Man of Steel did the "what if this really happened" angle, so it's not entirely "new." You can also put a realistic focus on, 'how people would react if they got these powers' without having it be a generic, average sci-fi Cronenberg wanna be drama. The Fantastic Four was never "about" people dealing with powers that made them freaks - it was foremost about family, adventure, and exploration.

[Tony208]

The thing looks like claymation

[GC Riot]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

Adapting characters straight from the page isn't "playing it safe"... it's just adapting good material and making a movie that pleases general audiences but also pleases comic book fans. Besides, it's not like Marvel hasn't made their changes (old Hank Pym). And they went with a legacy hero - it's Scott Lang, a smalltime crook/single dad, instead of another scientist superhero (Pym).

Look at it like this:

Darren Aronofsky wanted to make a Batman movie where Bruce Wayne was homeless, Alfred was "Little Al," a mechanic, Bruce's "journey" consisted of just reading books, and "Batman" was a guy with no money running around in a hockey mask beating up criminals with essentially nothing.

Would that have been a good movie? Maybe.

But as a Batman adaptation, it would be bad.

I don't care if Darren Aronofsky's Batman movie won Best Picture - it would still be a good movie, but a bad Batman movie.

Nolan's Batman films prove you can make both good movies and good Batman movies.

This Fantastic Four shouldn't be praised because it isn't an adaptation of the comic. If Reed was a slinky, Ben is an alien, Johnny is 80 years old, and Sue walked around in camouflage, would they be praised for "doing something different?" If they wanted to "do something different," they shouldn't have bothered adapting Fantastic Four.

Because then it winds up as an "in name only" kind of thing. And Man of Steel did the "what if this really happened" angle, so it's not entirely "new." You can also put a realistic focus on, 'how people would react if they got these powers' without having it be a generic, average sci-fi Cronenberg wanna be drama. The Fantastic Four was never "about" people dealing with powers that made them freaks - it was foremost about family, adventure, and exploration.

Okay, I'll try to correct myself. I mean different as in a different vibe. The characters in F4 are still the same characters (at least by name), they still have the same powers they do in the comics, right? They're still mostly working with the same stuff (Don't know about the Dr. Doom being a blogger or whatever though...) and even the way they get their powers isn't that far off from the original, right? It's a departure from the source, sure, but it's got enough in common with it to still be considered a faithful adaptation in my book. So what if it is tonally different? 60's Batman and Miller Batman are polar opposite, yet they are still faithful to the core of the characters.
Whether or not this film has a STORY worth telling with the assets at hand, now that's what worries me the most now, because that was the selling point for me, and it just got a bit more diminished.

[y2jman]

i'm not sure about this reboot i actually enjoy the previous 2 fantastic four movies btw

[jebhdb]

In my opinion nothing they've shown to this point feels like the Fantastic Four. I've seen many complaints regarding Man of Steel that it was to dark aesthetically and thematically for the Superman character, but at least for me, even more so than Superman, the Fantastic Four inhabit a bright, colorful world, and most of their stories are fun and light hearted. Based on what Fox has presented to this point it appears they have completely missed the mark.

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by GC Riot

Okay, I'll try to correct myself. I mean different as in a different vibe. The characters in F4 are still the same characters (at least by name), they still have the same powers they do in the comics, right? They're still mostly working with the same stuff (Don't know about the Dr. Doom being a blogger or whatever though...) and even the way they get their powers isn't that far off from the original, right? It's a departure from the source, sure, but it's got enough in common with it to still be considered a faithful adaptation in my book. So what if it is tonally different? 60's Batman and Miller Batman are polar opposite, yet they are still faithful to the core of the characters.
Whether or not this film has a STORY worth telling with the assets at hand, now that's what worries me the most now, because that was the selling point for me, and it just got a bit more diminished.

Batman & Robin was "tonally different," to say the least. It had a guy in a batsuit, a batcave, a sidekick named "Robin," villains named Mr. Freeze, and Poison Ivy, and Bane... so it had enough in common to be considered a faithful adaptation. But was it? No.

My point is that if you're going to adapt comics, but then get the tone wrong... you see what happens. The Fantastic Four are not this dark, gritty, sterile, colorless, Cronenberg-esque tale about four thirty-somethings who get powers that they view as "disabilities." That is not the Fantastic Four.

Going back to my earlier example - it's like making a dark, gritty adaptation of Scooby Doo. It's not true to the source.

The Fantastic Four is bright, colorful, optimistic, light. It's about family, adventure, and exploration. A brighter tomorrow and a better today. Not murky browns and having characters picked apart by government cronies like in The Fly. It's almost like a science fiction horror drama, with Reed and the others pinned to tables like frogs in an eighth grade science class.

The entire tone is wrong. You like it, that's cool. But it's not the Fantastic Four. And before anyone asks, yes, the perfect tone for a Fantastic Four movie is the tone most Marvel Studios movies have. Iron Man, Thor, Captain America: The First Avenger, The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, those are what Fantastic Four should be.

Not Batman Begins and Interstellar. Not a Cronenberg inspired freakshow.

[DisneyBlu]

This just looks so dark, cynical, soulless, murky, somber... none of those words I would ever use to describe the Fantastic Four.

The Fantastic Four, first and foremost, is about a family of explorers who go on fantastic adventures. Who would you rather have make that movie - Marvel Studios, or Fox?

Because Marvel Studios takes that concept and makes movies like Iron Man and Guardians of the Galaxy.

Fox takes that concept and makes a Chronicle sequel that looks like it was directed by David Cronenberg with Christopher Nolan's cinematographer.

I would rather have Kevin Feige - who lives and breathes Marvel - make this movie than a Fox executive, who rushed the movie into development because they had the rights to a Marvel Comics property and they wanted to cash in on the Marvel name, as it's the hottest thing around right now.

Basically, a Fantastic Four movie should be more Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, and less David Cronenberg and Christopher Nolan.

[Infernal King]

Looks good to me as a non-comic nerd. I see the usual people are having meltdowns.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

I'm not trying to come across as a "hater" of this movie.

hahahahaha

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

The Fantastic Four, first and foremost, is about a family of explorers who go on fantastic adventures. Who would you rather have make that movie - Marvel Studios, or Fox?

All I know is that after Iron Man, Feige's movies (and they are his movies) started getting more and more generic with an assembly line, cookie cutter approach. Fox has made some X-Men films that are better than almost anything Marvel Studios has made. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt because frankly I'm tired of the MCU. Maybe this Fantastic Four movie will suck but I'd rather see it than Age of Ultron or Ant-Man.

[Show spoiler]I apologize for posting 3 times in a row.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

The Fantastic Four is bright, colorful, optimistic, light. It's about family, adventure, and exploration. A brighter tomorrow and a better today.

You have summed up perfectly why you and other haters are so negative towards this film - you are ALL TALKING ABOUT 1960s FANTASTIC FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If any of you has ever read the comic POST-1970s, you'll understand that the movie looks to be an adaptation of the many darker, more serious storylines - particulary the ones which were done by John Byrne - the man responsible for creating the best Fantastic Four storylines.

Has any hater here actually read John Byrne????

It's Man of Steel haters all over again - why isnt Superman saving a cat from the tree?


The trailer looks good. The Negative Zone looks scary. The Thing looks like a walking rock beast. Invisible Woman shield was cool. Doctor Doom look is more modern look and that's okay.

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

hahahahaha

I guess you missed the post where I said I'll probably see the movie, because it doesn't look bad, it just looks like a bad Fantastic Four movie.

And by "missed" I mean "completely ignored the part where I said exactly that."

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

You have summed up perfectly why you and other haters are so negative towards this film - you are ALL TALKING ABOUT 1960s FANTASTIC FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If any of you has ever read the comic POST-1970s, you'll understand that the movie looks to be an adaptation of the many darker, more serious storylines - particulary the ones which were done by John Byrne - the man responsible for creating the best Fantastic Four storylines.

Has any hater here actually read John Byrne????

It's Man of Steel haters all over again - why isnt Superman saving a cat from the tree?

That's funny. I didn't know Mark Waid wrote the Fantastic Four in the 60s. Have you actually read any Mark Waid Fantastic Four? Because he had dark moments too, like Doom scarring Reed's face or sending Reed's child to Hell itself. But, funnily enough, he managed to keep the comics mostly light, fun, and bright, like the Stan Lee comics! He was aware he was making Fantastic Four, and not Batman.

And of course I've read Byrne. He had a lot of dark moments, sure - the miscarriage, the kid who set himself on fire because he wanted to be like the Human Torch. So what? His comics weren't dark. They were bright, light, and like the Stan Lee comics... but with moments of darkness, like every other Marvel comic. Spider-Man isn't a dark comic either, but his comics have had plenty of dark moments, from Kraven shooting Spidey and burying him alive to Spidey's very first appearance where his beloved uncle is gunned down.

Dark moments =/= dark tone, which this movie has.

But sure, keep calling anyone against this movie a "hater." Keep using "comic nerd" as a derogatory term. Keep taking passive aggressive potshots at "the usual suspects" and pretend that they're 100% biased against this movie, even when they acknowledge some of its attributes. Keep pretending that everyone who is "against" this movie hasn't read the comics.

Your logic doesn't apply, by the way. I'm a huge fan of the Fantastic Four comics, which is obvious as my biggest problem with this movie is its lack of faithfulness to the comics, but you ask if I've read the Byrne comics?

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

I guess you missed the post where I said I'll probably see the movie, because it doesn't look bad, it just looks like a bad Fantastic Four movie.

And by "missed" I mean "completely ignored the part where I said exactly that."

I guess you have a different interpretation of the word "hater" than I do.

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

But sure, keep calling anyone against this movie a "hater." Keep using "comic nerd" as a derogatory term. Keep taking passive aggressive potshots at "the usual suspects" and pretend that they're 100% biased against this movie, even when they acknowledge some of its attributes. Keep pretending that everyone who is "against" this movie hasn't read the comics.

Your number of posts and the content of them itt are over the top.

[MechaFresh82]

Originally Posted by Snikt

I'm sure they'll be working on the VFX up until the week of release. Most movies do.

Oh, and yeah...I loved the new trailer .

I'm digging the trailer for sure, looking forward to DOOM as well, hopefully Tobey Kebell's version will be more menacing than Julian McMahon's version.

And yeah, the forum for Fan4 on Superherohype is terrible with all of their negativity and then there's IMDB where it's full of racist trolls, dear god.

[Pounder]

Looks bad...

[Lehnhart]

Damn...you guys are completely abusing this film. Nitpicking it like crazy. I'm open to a different interpretation. I know it may not be the spirit from the original F4 comics, but it doesn't mean it can't be done well. I thought both trailers were put together well and I'm pretty intrigued to see the final product in theaters.

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

I guess you have a different interpretation of the word "hater" than I do.



Your number of posts and the content of them itt are over the top.

Apparently I do, because a "hater" wouldn't say they'll see the movie or say that it doesn't look bad.

You want to see "haters," go read the IMDb boards. Go read the racist filth and the trolling and the posts about wanting to see Fox go out of business.

If I was a hater or if I hated this movie, I wouldn't go see it or say that the movie doesn't look bad. As a huge fan of the Fantastic Four, I'm going to have an opinion on it. Expressing that opinion doesn't make me a hater.

This isn't a fan board. Endless, unfounded praise is as valid a discussion point as criticisms. Put me on ignore if you have a problem with my posts.