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[Terjyn]

You do the assassinations in order, if the target is already dead you skip that quest.

Yes, you can do it last, right before going off to start another NG++...

If you are going to do it that way, I think the easiest way to get to pure black is not as an invader, but by killing off the rest of the NPCs you don't need. Even killing off assassination targets if you don't care about the reward.

By the time I got my Foe's Ring, the nexus was pretty much empty, on my run-through.

Plus killing NPCs doesn't have that pesky quirk of they might be better than you, or do things just to screw with you (like using the Scraping spear). I seem to recall I got to pure black via vendors in the worlds and by killing Urbain and Biorr and Ostrava before getting the quest request.

[Bageara]

yes you can do the meph assassinations right at the end of the game and its recomended.
Yes you must do the assassinations in order as meph tells you if any of the targets are already dead it will simply skip them and meph will give you the next target. I recomend useing soulsucker for all the assassinations its quick and easy.

[AikonEnt]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

You do the assassinations in order, if the target is already dead you skip that quest.

Yes, you can do it last, right before going off to start another NG++...

If you are going to do it that way, I think the easiest way to get to pure black is not as an invader, but by killing off the rest of the NPCs you don't need. Even killing off assassination targets if you don't care about the reward.

By the time I got my Foe's Ring, the nexus was pretty much empty, on my run-through.

Plus killing NPCs doesn't have that pesky quirk of they might be better than you, or do things just to screw with you (like using the Scraping spear). I seem to recall I got to pure black via vendors in the worlds and by killing Urbain and Biorr and Ostrava before getting the quest request.

Originally Posted by Bageara

yes you can do the meph assassinations right at the end of the game and its recomended.
Yes you must do the assassinations in order as meph tells you if any of the targets are already dead it will simply skip them and meph will give you the next target. I recomend useing soulsucker for all the assassinations its quick and easy.

Thanks for that. I'm currently early on in my NG+ playthrough and have yet to free Yuria to get Soulsucker (freed Urbain just so I could use God's Wrath on those pesky nest lizards ). I'm currently at PWCT, so if I waited until the end, then started offing NPC's (starting with filthy man/women etc) would that bring my CT down enough to PB, even if it only left me the final assassination to do? Or would I still need to do more killing in NG++ to reach PB?

[Terjyn]

Going black is easy. Almost all the merchants and nexus NPCs are worth between -20 and -40, and you only need 200 points to get from pure white to pure black.

Going back on the other hand will require a couple playthroughs unless you start messing with the PvP invasion stuff.

[tarvis]

Also keep in mind that you can't use Soulsucker to actually get to Pure Black Character Tendency.

[Bageara]

yeah at the end of your current game start offing npc's this should bring you quite close to pbct but you will probably need to kill a couple more in next ng+. Also note if your game gets invaded and you defeat the attacker this will shift ct torwards white

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

Thanks for that. I'm currently early on in my NG+ playthrough and have yet to free Yuria to get Soulsucker (freed Urbain just so I could use God's Wrath on those pesky nest lizards ). I'm currently at PWCT, so if I waited until the end, then started offing NPC's (starting with filthy man/women etc) would that bring my CT down enough to PB, even if it only left me the final assassination to do? Or would I still need to do more killing in NG++ to reach PB?

[jsteinhauer]

Originally Posted by Dark Moses

I guess you're talking about Patches. But nevertheless you'll have to kill em. They will come after you unitl they die. They'll kill you and still come back for more. It sucks since he has the Adjucator shield that regens his health so it can take a while to kill him.

Yes, big mistake. Unintentional. I was just smashing crates near him and he got hit. I use the longbow for A LOT! Seems I might be better off starting over. I might just put this down for a while. I'm just a little frustrated; I was really just starting to progress at a decent pace.

[AikonEnt]

If I kill these people it should almost take me from PW to PB.

Dregling Merchant
Filthy Man
Once Royal Mistress
Graverobber Blige
Filthy Woman
Crestfallen Warrior
Acolyte of God
Worshipper of God
Freke's Apprentice

Assuming -20% for each of these it should take me from 100% white to 80% black. Then it should just be a case of killing one other NPC, activate Mephestopheles, then use Soulsucker on the rest. Sounds like a workable plan doesn't it?

I assume using poison cloud will still cause a negative shift? As in using it to wear their energy down, then hit them hard for the killing blow.

[Bageara]

yep sounds like a plan. Thats pretty much how i did it

[Denoku]

Originally Posted by jsteinhauer

Yes, big mistake. Unintentional. I was just smashing crates near him and he got hit. I use the longbow for A LOT! Seems I might be better off starting over. I might just put this down for a while. I'm just a little frustrated; I was really just starting to progress at a decent pace.

It's okay man I did the same exact thing. There are all those boxes around him and I didn't even think about it and wound up smacking him. He came after me, I ran, he still chased me I eventually killed him. Why do you think you need to start over?

[AikonEnt]

Originally Posted by Bageara

yep sounds like a plan. Thats pretty much how i did it

I decided to do the Crestfallen Warrior first before he naturally disappears, the rest can wait until I've (almost) finished as they're available throughout the rest of the game. Wasn't expecting hime to have so much HP and hit so hard, so he nearly killed me Near the end of his HP he got stuck behind one of the pillars, so I just shot him in the head a few times with the Lava Bow to finish him off I won't be so careless next time.

How effective are Firestorm and/or God's Wrath against NPCs? I wouldn't want to waste 100MP if it doesn't do a great deal of damage.

Can body form Selen Vinland be sneaked up behind and poisoned so she doesn't heal herself like the BP version, or does she notice you? If she can that should be an easy negative shift to do.

[Denoku]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

I decided to do the Crestfallen Warrior first before he naturally disappears, the rest can wait until I've (almost) finished as they're available throughout the rest of the game. Wasn't expecting hime to have so much HP and hit so hard, so he nearly killed me Near the end of his HP he got stuck behind one of the pillars, so I just shot him in the head a few times with the Lava Bow to finish him off I won't be so careless next time.

How effective are Firestorm and/or God's Wrath against NPCs? I wouldn't want to waste 100MP if it doesn't do a great deal of damage.

Can body form Selen Vinland be sneaked up behind and poisoned so she doesn't heal herself like the BP version, or does she notice you? If she can that should be an easy negative shift to do.

Who is the Crestfallen Warrior? Are you talking about Biorr? If your doing the assassinations I just used soulsucker to save trouble. Firestorm depends on who you're fighting. I never really use it on PvE since most of the time they dodge. God's Wrath could work but it depends.

Why do you want to kill her in normal form? I never really kill any named NPC's in the game unless they are Black Phantoms. If you want to lower your character tendency just kill some random people or invade. But if you have already got the seal from her I guess you can kill her. I always just snuck behind her when she was a BP and would soul sucker her. Never had a reason to kill her in WWT.

[AikonEnt]

Originally Posted by Dark Moses

Who is the Crestfallen Warrior? Are you talking about Biorr? If your doing the assassinations I just used soulsucker to save trouble. Firestorm depends on who you're fighting. I never really use it on PvE since most of the time they dodge. God's Wrath could work but it depends.

Why do you want to kill her in normal form? I never really kill any named NPC's in the game unless they are Black Phantoms. If you want to lower your character tendency just kill some random people or invade. But if you have already got the seal from her I guess you can kill her. I always just snuck behind her when she was a BP and would soul sucker her. Never had a reason to kill her in WWT.

The Crestfallen Warrior is that depressed blue phantom that's in the Nexus. He just sits there and eventually dies naturally. But he lowers your CT if you kill him. When I get around to doing the assassinations I'll definitely be using Soulsucker to save me the hassle of dying (once I've freed Yuria obviously). The only reason I want to kill body form Selen is to lower my tendancy to PB, it's currently at PW so even after killing the various vendor NPCs it won't take me to PB. Selen seems an obvious choice as you can attack (with poison) without her retaliating or healing, well you can in BP form, so just wondered if you could do the same thing to her body form. I've considered invading but that would mean I have to beat a real person and not some predictible NPC. And I don't believe I'm actually that skilled I'm basically a coward, I either sneak up behind people and poison them or snipe them with a bow. I already have all the weapons (apart from the Insanity Catalyst) and the rings (apart from Foe's ring) so don't need to complete the Selen side mission this playthrough so I'm perfectly ok with killing her

[Denoku]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

The Crestfallen Warrior is that depressed blue phantom that's in the Nexus. He just sits there and eventually dies naturally. But he lowers your CT if you kill him. When I get around to doing the assassinations I'll definitely be using Soulsucker to save me the hassle of dying (once I've freed Yuria obviously). The only reason I want to kill body form Selen is to lower my tendancy to PB, it's currently at PW so even after killing the various vendor NPCs it won't take me to PB. Selen seems an obvious choice as you can attack (with poison) without her retaliating or healing, well you can in BP form, so just wondered if you could do the same thing to her body form. I've considered invading but that would mean I have to beat a real person and not some predictible NPC. And I don't believe I'm actually that skilled I'm basically a coward, I either sneak up behind people and poison them or snipe them with a bow. I already have all the weapons (apart from the Insanity Catalyst) and the rings (apart from Foe's ring) so don't need to complete the Selen side mission this playthrough so I'm perfectly ok with killing her

Oh wow I never even game a name to the blue phantom. I just usually let him to die naturally. Well I guess you'll need to kill her then if you don't want to invade. I'm not sure you would need to kill her though, I would think there would be plenty of people to kill. I usually invade though just to save me the hassle. I'm not sure though if killing them with poison will lower your CT though. That is something I would look at on the Wiki. I want to say if you do use posion it won't lower your CT, you can use posion to weaken her then finish her off yourself though.

[jsteinhauer]

Originally Posted by Dark Moses

It's okay man I did the same exact thing. There are all those boxes around him and I didn't even think about it and wound up smacking him. He came after me, I ran, he still chased me I eventually killed him. Why do you think you need to start over?

I don't know, I just feel like I did something that will really impact the rest of the game. I can't re-enter that area without getting killed, and at this point in the game, I can't beat the guy. It is Patches. If you get on the ledge above him, he will wedge himself into a corner and get stuck, but every time you fire an arrow, he does a roll to evade. When you do get a hit, it's about 1% damage, and he regenerates. I restart lots of games the first time through. It's no big deal. I'll decide this weekend. I'm not going to quit because it's hard. I only quit games I don't like playing.

[AikonEnt]

Originally Posted by Dark Moses

Oh wow I never even game a name to the blue phantom. I just usually let him to die naturally. Well I guess you'll need to kill her then if you don't want to invade. I'm not sure you would need to kill her though, I would think there would be plenty of people to kill. I usually invade though just to save me the hassle. I'm not sure though if killing them with poison will lower your CT though. That is something I would look at on the Wiki. I want to say if you do use posion it won't lower your CT, you can use posion to weaken her then finish her off yourself though.

That's basically my plan. Lower their HP with poison, so they're weak, frail and unable to fight back. Then take a big sword out and stab them in the back Some may call it cheap, I say it's playing to my strengths

[Denoku]

Originally Posted by AikonEnt

That's basically my plan. Lower their HP with poison, so they're weak, frail and unable to fight back. Then take a big sword out and stab them in the back Some may call it cheap, I say it's playing to my strengths

Hey that's the cool thing about the game you can play how you want. Some people like magic, some like strength, and some like your way

There is no wrong to play it

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Dark Moses

Hey that's the cool thing about the game you can play how you want. Some people like magic, some like strength, and some like your way

There is no wrong to play it

My mini-review so far:
Positives:
* You can play in many different ways and specilize how you would like to.
* Combat is fun when everything is working, but repititive (more or less breaks down to dodge swing, dodge swing [or cast spell etc]).
* The online system makes for alot of fun, and I hope some future games implement similiar systems, as it make everything fell more lively.

Negatives:
* I have played for around 2 to 3 hours and giving how much everyone says when you die it is your own fault, and the very large cost of dying, it is quite annoying how many times I have died or lost a lot of health, purely as my targeting system does not work very well. I can be standing with an enemy directly ahead of me, but the system wont let me target the enemy. This is especially problamatic when stairs are involved. This wouldn't be such a big issue, if it was ot for how much is at stake when you die, and it just is annoying when you die as the game wasn't running as it said it would.
* Finishing an area doesn't fell as satisfying as it is simply a relief to be done with it.
* Story is very, very weak. Bad monster demon is causing chaos and you must stop it, and that is about it.
* I don't fell the game requires any real skill, just simply memorizing the patterns required to get past certain areas and learning what you have to do at said point, instead of actually trully improving (I had some of the same problems with some of the God of War 3 bosses, simply figure out the trick too beating them and only then can you win).
* Visuals tend to be bland.
* Game is extremely linear, but constantly hints at a much bigger scale then I have yet to actually get to play in (so far, though it may open up like FF XIII did [hopefully more])


When everyhting is working well and you are dying only due to your own mistakes the game can become very fun, it's just held back far to often (eg: bieng shot by someone who you can't target despite them bieng directly in front of you), this may not result in your death, but may cause alot of life to be lost, and when so much is at stake in the game it is very annoying to get closer to deth due to no fault of your own.

I alsonoticed ad soon as I was playing offline (my internet was down for a while whilst playing), the game became quite dull (without the messages left by other players, blood stains and the ghostly apparitions that run by).

I sound very negative, but giving how much praise this game has got, I expected alot more. This is only a preleminary review though, so it may get better. But if it doesn't I would probably only give it around a 6/ 10 (with 5/10 bieng average).

[jsteinhauer]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

My mini-review so far:
Positives:
* You can play in many different ways and specilize how you would like to.
* Combat is fun when everything is working, but repititive (more or less breaks down to dodge swing, dodge swing [or cast spell etc]).
* The online system makes for alot of fun, and I hope some future games implement similiar systems, as it make everything fell more lively.

Negatives:
* I have played for around 2 to 3 hours and giving how much everyone says when you die it is your own fault, and the very large cost of dying, it is quite annoying how many times I have died or lost a lot of health, purely as my targeting system does not work very well. I can be standing with an enemy directly ahead of me, but the system wont let me target the enemy. This is especially problamatic when stairs are involved. This wouldn't be such a big issue, if it was ot for how much is at stake when you die, and it just is annoying when you die as the game wasn't running as it said it would.
* Finishing an area doesn't fell as satisfying as it is simply a relief to be done with it.
* Story is very, very weak. Bad monster demon is causing chaos and you must stop it, and that is about it.
* I don't fell the game requires any real skill, just simply memorizing the patterns required to get past certain areas and learning what you have to do at said point, instead of actually trully improving (I had some of the same problems with some of the God of War 3 bosses, simply figure out the trick too beating them and only then can you win).
* Visuals tend to be bland.
* Game is extremely linear, but constantly hints at a much bigger scale then I have yet to actually get to play in (so far, though it may open up like FF XIII did [hopefully more])


When everyhting is working well and you are dying only due to your own mistakes the game can become very fun, it's just held back far to often (eg: bieng shot by someone who you can't target despite them bieng directly in front of you), this may not result in your death, but may cause alot of life to be lost, and when so much is at stake in the game it is very annoying to get closer to deth due to no fault of your own.

I alsonoticed ad soon as I was playing offline (my internet was down for a while whilst playing), the game became quite dull (without the messages left by other players, blood stains and the ghostly apparitions that run by).

I sound very negative, but giving how much praise this game has got, I expected alot more. This is only a preleminary review though, so it may get better. But if it doesn't I would probably only give it around a 6/ 10 (with 5/10 bieng average).

Believe me, I feel your frustration, especially with the targeting and the high price of death, but 2-3 hours isn't very long for this game. Have you completed 1-1, yet. It opens up after that, and there are areas in 1 that you can't visit yet and enemies you really can defeat yet, so you'll have to go back. The trick in many situations is to not get into a situation where you are taking on too many enemies at a time. Paying attention to the messages warns you when you are about to enter a hornets' nest, so to speak.

I sort of don't know what you mean by skill. Skill at a video game is always about recognizing what you need to do and executing. If you're playing a melee based character, you need to both choose appropriate weapons and method of attack. You need to be care to position yourself where you don't fall of the edges and where you don't attract the attention of additional enemies.

I can hardly believe I'm coming to this game's defense. It's been kicking my arse, but it's also growing on me. I also hate it so much that I don't want to let it get the best of me.

[Bageara]

its not a game for everyone but give it a bit longer and if you think its a dull, bland and annoying game you will stop playing it.
I didnt think it was all that at first but for some strange reason i couldnt stop playing it, then all of sudden i relised i was in love with this game