Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Derb]

Laser projectors spike my curiosity.

Mainly do they have a “Lamp Life” ?

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Derb

Laser projectors spike my curiosity.

Mainly do they have a “Lamp Life” ?

The Laser has a life and in one example it's suggested it's 20,000 hours to the point in which it's lost half it's brightness.

However, Laser projectors are relatively new so real numbers about the life are yet to be seen.

Most Laser assemblies are complicated to the point of not being user serviceable. On the projector I'm buying they say you can have the laser replaced but it may cost close to the price of replacing the projector.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I have absolutely no interest in a projector. My close-up vision is superior to my distance vision so I prefer using a small screen at a close distance.

After testing various sizes and positions I've found that my ideal set-up is a 28 inch screen at a distance of 23 inches from my eyes.

I think you mentioned it before and it shocked me. In my minds eye, I always imagined you having a big scale HT. 28 inches is not very cinematic for a format like Blu-ray.

[lgans316]

I live in the South East of UK 30 minutes from London where you get least value for money. Up north I understand it's possible to get nice detached properties at a reasonable price but it is what it is. Staying in a job and having a roof over my head is important to me than pursuing a dream. Living my means is what I practice. I will try my best to fix my ceiling. Once it is done I can start pursuing my audio dream. Video gear wise I am fine with my displays. Next one will be a 83 OLED or 85 LED.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I have absolutely no interest in a projector. My close-up vision is superior to my distance vision so I prefer using a small screen at a close distance.

After testing various sizes and positions I've found that my ideal set-up is a 28 inch screen at a distance of 23 inches from my eyes.

Curious if you use glasses for distance while driving or for other needs.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I live in the South East of UK 30 minutes from London where you get least value for money. Up north I understand it's possible to get nice detached properties at a reasonable price but it is what it is. Staying in a job and having a roof over my head is important to me than pursuing a dream. Living my means is what I practice. I will try my best to fix my ceiling. Once it is done I can start pursuing my audio dream. Video gear wise I am fine with my displays. Next one will be a 83 OLED or 85 LED.

Not only is it possible, it’s very likely. I’m talking nice areas too. London and the South doesn’t represent the U.K. as a whole.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I think you mentioned it before and it shocked me. In my minds eye, I always imagined you having a big scale HT. 28 inches is not very cinematic for a format like Blu-ray.

It fills my field of view just as much as a big screen would, so how is that less cinematic?

Originally Posted by gotmule

Curious if you use glasses for distance while driving or for other needs.

No, I don't use glasses. My distance vision is still pretty good (20/25), it's just not as excellent as my close-up vision (20/15).

[JohnAV]

Box Office: ‘Spider-Man’ Stays No. 1, ‘The 355’ Opens to Paltry $4.8M - Hollywood Reporter 1/9

A passion project for Jessica Chastain, the female spy action pic 'The 355' needed older moviegoers who are further spooked by the omicron variant. It also got thrashed by critics.

The star-packed female spy action pic The 355 missed the mark in its domestic office debut, opening to $4.8 million domestically from 3,145 theaters.

The movie’s poor showing comes as a surge in COVID-19 cases due to the highly infectious omicron variant further spooks older female moviegoers, the target demo for The 355. Simon Kinberg directed the film, which stars Jessica Chastain, Penélope Cruz, Fan Bingbing, Diane Kruger and Lupita Nyong’o.

Poor reviews certainly didn’t help (the current Rotten Tomatoes score is 27 percent). Audiences liked it more, giving the movie a B+ CinemaScore.

The 355, a passion project for Chastain, is from Universal and FilmNation and is the first Hollywood studio release of 2022. While early January is generally a quiet time at the box office, Universal was hoping for more. The audience was led by females (58 percent), with 73 percent of ticket buyers between ages 25 and 44, and 33 percent over 45, according to PostTrak. The 355 came in third for the weekend behind Christmas leftovers.

Sony and Marvel’s Spider-Man: No Way stayed atop the chart as it climbed up the list of the top 10-grossing films of all time at the domestic box office — thanks to male moviegoers ages 18-34, who don’t appear deterred by omicron. Spidey earned $33 million in its fourth weekend from 4,012 theaters for a domestic total of $668.8 million. No Way Home has now passed up Titanic ($659.4 million) to ranks as the No. 6 total of all time, not adjusted for inflation, and it will soon overtake Avengers: Infinity War ($678.8 million) and possibly Black Panther ($700 million). Globally, it made the top 10 to land at No. 8 with a global gross of $1.53 billion through Sunday.

Universal and Illuminations’ Sing 2 held at No. 2 in its third outing with $12 million from 3,713 locations, becoming the first family animated film of the pandemic era to cross $100 million domestically upon finishing Sunday with a domestic total of $109 million and $190.8 million globally.

Like older adults, families have been slow to return to theaters. And while Disney’s Encanto and Sing 2 have done solid business as more kids get vaccinated, the family market is still depressed. On Friday, Disney announced that Pixar’s early March entry Turning Red will bypass theaters and debut exclusively on Disney+.

Also on Friday, Universal opted to make Sing 2 available on premium VOD as quickly as possible, or just 17 days after its release in theaters. The price tag to rent the movie is $24.99. That’s higher than the $19.99 Universal usually charges for its PVOD titles.

Elsewhere at the weekend box office, The King’s Man and American Underdog rounded out the top five with $3.3 million from 3,040 theaters and roughly $2.4 million from 2,729 locations, respectively.

20th Century/Disney’s Kings Man finished the weekend with a domestic tally of $25.1 million and $74.3 million overseas.

Faith-based film American Underdog, from Lionsgate and Kingdom Story Company, has now earned $18.7 million domestically.

Elsewhere, Warner Bros. and Village Roadshow’s The Matrix Resurrections has now grossed $34.3 million domestically and $90.2 million internationally for $124.5 million globally.

West Side Story‘s domestic tally stands at $32.2 million domestically and $52.1 million globally.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I think you mentioned it before and it shocked me. In my minds eye, I always imagined you having a big scale HT. 28 inches is not very cinematic for a format like Blu-ray.

Reminds one how many watch 4K HDR streaming content via laptop/desktop screens these days. The popular 2021 Apple 16” MBP is a 1600 nit peak @120 Hz screen with native resolution of 3456-by-2234. 4K content is significantly better then 4K SDR as seen. People with 4K computer monitors driven by a HDR capable laptop/desktop computer are quite adequate for smaller living spaces.

If your a good 10 feet away from that large 4K TV the cinematic effect is not lost by sitting in front of a computer setup much closer depending on the computer monitor quality.

It’s a big reminder that just because those TV vendors are hyping very large TVs, ignoring 40” and smaller 4K displays that there isn’t a sizable marketplace of consumers that prefer those sizes.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I love projectors but I bet some people have no interest in them at all.

Originally Posted by lgans316

Maybe in the US but not so much in the UK where you don't have big houses and basement unless you earn millions or inherited it. Most houses in the UK (In densely populated areas) are semi detached which means you share one side of the walls with the neighbours and you have to be mindful about volume levels as most houses are poorly insulated and not sound proofed.

a at the end means it is meant in jest and not meant to be taken seriously or literally. I am sure, for example, there are some people hunting and gathering in some forest somewhere that have never heard of movies, Tv or projectors and so they are not interested in it .

lgans, two things

1) I am in Canada and I do have a projector in my HT in the basement and sound proofing around that HT room. But me wanting to be able to blast the audio in my HT has nothing to do with projectors. people can have a loud system and a TV or not loud and a projector.

2) when I replaced my first projector, I asked myself what to do with the old one. Being frugal, I decided to add a small shelf over my headboard and install it in my bedroom with a VCR on the shelf and the projector just below using the internal speakers and the white wall. Things have changed a bit since then (no more VCR, HD projector, 5.1 audio, added my old 8' screen ...) but ever since then there has been a projector in my bedroom. an HT is nice and I agree not everyone can afford a high end HT. But IMHO if someone wants a projector (and they can afford it) you don't need a big house or abasement or soundproofing all you need is a projector two brackets and a projector and a (bed)room my guess those are not hard to find in the UK

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

let's see if we can see a bit more eye to eye

if a studio rents me a copy of a film it makes some money (which pays after the fact for making the film) if it sells me a copy (be it digital or physical) it makes a lot more money and if I bring my family to see it in theatres it makes even a lot more money.

Streaming can't pull the plug on EST and if the person is willing to pay more for it why would studios pull the plug on EST.

The problem is not there the problem is on the other side.

when it comes to physical copies if the studio believes they can sell 10M copies they will replicate 10M copies and will pay for 10M copies on the other hand if the studio thinks they can only sell 10k copies they will pay for 10k copies the only way this can backfire is if the studio thinks they can sell 10M copies and they only sell 10k copies.


cinema now, target ticket, did not close down and walmart sold Vudu because of external forces (studios or subscription streaming) but because they had enough of hemorrhaging money

On the other hand with digital the computers, the storage, the electricity.... are all the same if they sell 10M copies or 10k copies of the film and unlike physical media where it is a one time thing (unless you replicate more copies) that cost is recurring (actually growing because salaries, electricity rate.... go up over time) every month.

Fair point.

Getting back to our discussion about carbon rationing, I read that carbon emissions from car use per year in the U.K. is over 4 tonnes. That amount will more than likely be 80% of our rations under a carbon restriction policy. In other words, an individual may have to give up home entertainment if they want to run a car for work etc.

Carbon allowances would probably start quite high but would have to be halved by 2030 to around 4-5 tonnes. When one adds up cooking, fridge/freezer, washing and heating, that leaves very little for entertainment.

I know you say you have renewable energy but a huge percentage of most countries do not, that’s not going to change in a few short years. Incentives are one thing but heat pumps are thousands as are solar panels with a battery.

I stick to my guns that a carbon rationing system brought in by country would mean film, tv and gaming would have to be abandoned.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Reminds one how many watch 4K HDR streaming content via laptop/desktop screens these days. The popular 2021 Apple 16” MBP is a 1600 nit peak @120 Hz screen with native resolution of 3456-by-2234. 4K content is significantly better then 4K SDR as seen. People with 4K computer monitors driven by a HDR capable laptop/desktop computer are quite adequate for smaller living spaces.

If your a good 10 feet away from that large 4K TV the cinematic effect is not lost by sitting in front of a computer setup much closer depending on the computer monitor quality.

It’s a big reminder that just because those TV vendors are hyping very large TVs, ignoring 40” and smaller 4K displays that there isn’t a sizable marketplace of consumers that prefer those sizes.

well to quote PenguinInfinity even though that is not how he meant it

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I have absolutely no interest in a projector. My close-up vision is superior to my distance vision so I prefer using a small screen at a close distance.

After testing various sizes and positions I've found that my ideal set-up is a 28 inch screen at a distance of 23 inches from my eyes.

small and close is not the same as big and far. Your eyes know the difference. In his case he does not want the big and far

small and close might work if you are by yourself and yes sometimes I am by myself in the HT, but that is not why I built it and put in all those seats it is to sit and watch with a bunch of people and then small and close does not work.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I will try my best to fix my ceiling. Once it is done I can start pursuing my audio dream. Video gear wise I am fine with my displays. Next one will be a 83 OLED or 85 LED.

Hope the best for you, from experience I can tell you trying to get a descent STC for 16 to 125 Hz is very difficult. For post audio I had walls constructed of two layers of ⅝" drywall on the outside, R9 insulation between, for the inside 1 layer of ⅝" drywall, 1 layer of ½" drywall, resilient channel with a layer of ⅝" drywall attached to it. The inside surface was completely covered with 1-⅝" high density fiberglass panels from AVL Systems.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

well to quote PenguinInfinity even though that is not how he meant it

small and close is not the same as big and far. Your eyes know the difference. In his case he does not want the big and far

small and close might work if you are by yourself and yes sometimes I am by myself in the HT, but that is not why I built it and put in all those seats it is to sit and watch with a bunch of people and then small and close does not work.

The only thing you can't reproduce in smaller setups is the audio spaciousness and reverb with monitor speakers fairly close. This big and far argument is mute when people master 4k/8K videos on smaller studio quality mastering monitors that likely exceeds your HT video quality no matter how large it is.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Getting back to our discussion about carbon rationing, I read that carbon emissions from car use per year in the U.K. is over 4 tonnes.

I stick to my guns that a carbon rationing system brought in by country would mean film, tv and gaming would have to be abandoned.

Is today the day for putting out your garbage to be picked up?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I know you say you have renewable energy but a huge percentage of most countries do not, that’s not going to change in a few short years. Incentives are one thing but heat pumps are thousands as are solar panels with a battery.

I don't bring it up because I think it makes me better or to be mean spirited
the reason I do is as an example. I was born here (my parents moved here) a young kid/niot bourn when this was happening and the decision had nothing to do with being green. Quebec was at the tail end of what is known as the quiet revolution and the slogan "maitre chez nous" (masters of our domain) at the time many entities where pushing FUD and other directions (nuclear, oil, coal....) and pushed back about the impossible hydroelectric project in the middle of nowhere using technology that did not exist. But the political climate was just right and no matter how hard the UD machine worked the leader at the time decide we have water and the only way we can be independent would be to use it.

Thing missed (intentionally or not) by the FUD at the time is the price of oil today is not the same as that of oil back then neither is nuclear material or coal.

I stick to my guns that a carbon rationing system brought in by country would mean film, tv and gaming would have to be abandoned.

It is 8pm Jan 2032 film, tv and gaming use carbon rations so you say they won't be doing that, so what are they doing that does not require any?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Is today the day for putting out your garbage to be picked up?

Like it or not, carbon rations is a tool that governments can and will use as we approach 2030. Taking the political side out of it altogether and focussing on what those carbon rations could mean HT wise, it really could be quite devastating. Those that need to drive for work may find themselves unable to cover film and tv watching once you add up other costs of living. That stuff is pretty scary to me.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I don't bring it up because I think it makes me better or to be mean spirited
the reason I do is as an example. I was born here (my parents moved here) a young kid/niot bourn when this was happening and the decision had nothing to do with being green. Quebec was at the tail end of what is known as the quiet revolution and the slogan "maitre chez nous" (masters of our domain) at the time many entities where pushing FUD and other directions (nuclear, oil, coal....) and pushed back about the impossible hydroelectric project in the middle of nowhere using technology that did not exist. But the political climate was just right and no matter how hard the UD machine worked the leader at the time decide we have water and the only way we can be independent would be to use it.

Thing missed (intentionally or not) by the FUD at the time is the price of oil today is not the same as that of oil back then neither is nuclear material or coal.




It is 8pm Jan 2032 film, tv and gaming use carbon rations so you say they won't be doing that, so what are they doing that does not require any?

They wouldn’t have that choice, that’s what I’m saying. Only those that don’t drive would. 4.7 tonnes is a gigantic slice of the rations. Would there even be a market for Netflix, Disney, HBO if only 40% of a countries population could afford the carbon allowance? (It’s estimated that 40% of my country don’t drive)

Yes,your suggestion of electric cars is a very good one but that type of transformation isn’t going to happen for a long time. It’s the meantime I’m concerned about. We are at the very least 20 years away from a transition to mostly EV vehicles on the road.

Final,y, I didn’t mean any offence to you mentioning clean energy. I just say that because I’m aware the majority of the USA and U.K. are decades away from being 100% renewable at home.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The only thing you can't reproduce in smaller setups is the audio spaciousness and reverb with monitor speakers fairly close. This big and far argument is mute when people master 4k/8K videos on smaller studio quality mastering monitors that likely exceeds your HT video quality no matter how large it is.

it is not about reproducing anything, that is why I quoted penguin.

physically he can see better close up then far away which is why he prefers small and close to big and far. All I am saying is

1) the brain knows if the eyes are focusing on something small that is near compared to big and far so the experience is not the same even if the ratio is.

2) the eye (like a camera) focuses near or far (by distorting the cornea) that means that it also changes everything off the screen as well.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Like it or not, carbon rations is a tool that governments can and will use as we approach 2030. Taking the political side out of it altogether and focussing on what those carbon rations could mean HT wise, it really could be quite devastating. Those that need to drive for work may find themselves unable to cover film and tv watching once you add up other costs of living. That stuff is pretty scary to me.

IMHO we locally are so far ahead of what you are concerned about, that your stuck living in the past instead of being energy efficient. Stop worrying and switch out all that energy hog gear then maybe your power consumption will go way down. You might be able to pay that power bill a lot easier.

PS a electric car is not saving energy. Electric mass transit is.