Dexter: Thoughts and predictions [spoilers]

[Denoku]

I feel the same exact way. I wanted to almost stop watching Season 3 when I found out Rita was pregnant. I was like what the hell is this? Dexter shouldn't be the type of person having children or be married for that fact. It's nice for a cover but bad for the killing. Unless you're Trinity I suppose.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by SleeperAgent

I'll go on record and say it, I love the season 4 ending. Just finished it.

[Show spoiler]This is a show about a serial killer. They are detracting from that WAY too much with the family aspect and Rita was just plain annoying in this season and 3. I know season 5 is going to be heavily involved with this Rita death/suicide/trinity victim thing. If they can wrap that up and get back to the roots of season 1 I'll be happy.

If I wanted to watch a family show I would. I chose a show about a serial killer. Please don't take that away.

I disagree actually. To me

[Show spoiler]Rita was the focal point that was drawing him closer and closer to his lost humanity. the seasons had slowly progressed from the grim "kill of the episode" style of programming and was slowly showing Dexter's growth and the power he truly held over his urges. I felt they were slowly redeeming Dexter from being just an impulse driven monster to one who actually had true feelings, emotions and caring. Basically going from Beast to human being. Now it seems like they're going to take away his anchor and have him go back to being the monster he once was. just because fans wanna see him kill more douche-bags

[Denoku]

[Show spoiler]I don't care either way you look at it Dexter killed people. He will always have his Dark Passenger, I don't think being with Rita has anything to do with it. Do you think he could ever tell Rita, who he really was? No. Why do you think he kept Trinity alive for so long? He needed to know how to survive with keeping a family and being able to have time for his Dark Passenger. That's basically what this whole season was about. So to say he was becoming more human I think is way off. This was all just a way to cover in the beginning but Dexter wound up caring for Rita and the kids. He's not really that much different then he ever was. He's still emotionally shut off from people, even his own wife. There is no way he could ever tell Rita he kills people.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Dark Moses

[Show spoiler]I don't care either way you look at it Dexter killed people. He will always have his Dark Passenger, I don't think being with Rita has anything to do with it. Do you think he could ever tell Rita, who he really was? No. Why do you think he kept Trinity alive for so long? He needed to know how to survive with keeping a family and being able to have time for his Dark Passenger. That's basically what this whole season was about. So to say he was becoming more human I think is way off. This was all just a way to cover in the beginning but Dexter wound up caring for Rita and the kids. He's not really that much different then he ever was. He's still emotionally shut off from people, even his own wife. There is no way he could ever tell Rita he kills people.

[Show spoiler]Ken Brown and I were talking about this in another thread about Dexter, both of us believed that what was happening was that Dexter was slowly and carefully becoming LESS of a serial killer and the whole series was basically his redemption and the shrugging off of the power of his dark passenger. Basically sooner or later he WASN'T going to have the need to kill people both emotionally as well as logically. Otherwise the show is just like the ancient Gladiator matches. Cheap bloody humor to satisfy the masses cravings for blood..... Also I don't believe the whole point of season 4 was to learn from Trinity. That's what he THOUGHT he was doing, what he kept telling himself he was doing. What it really was about, to me, was his realization was that he was different, he was no longer the cold empty shell that he once was and that his stalking of trinity was just him going through the motions out of habit, out of necessity for "the code", which he was finding out was no longer the perfect fit for him anymore because he was evolving

[Denoku]

Originally Posted by wormraper

[Show spoiler]Ken Brown and I were talking about this in another thread about Dexter, both of us believed that what was happening was that Dexter was slowly and carefully becoming LESS of a serial killer and the whole series was basically his redemption and the shrugging off of the power of his dark passenger. Basically sooner or later he WASN'T going to have the need to kill people both emotionally as well as logically. Otherwise the show is just like the ancient Gladiator matches. Cheap bloody humor to satisfy the masses cravings for blood..... Also I don't believe the whole point of season 4 was to learn from Trinity. That's what he THOUGHT he was doing, what he kept telling himself he was doing. What it really was about, to me, was his realization was that he was different, he was no longer the cold empty shell that he once was and that his stalking of trinity was just him going through the motions out of habit, out of necessity for "the code", which he was finding out was no longer the perfect fit for him anymore because he was evolving

[Show spoiler]Well I think it's mostly learning from Arthur. I think the real moment where it hit home that he was different was when he saw the real Arthur, not just the show he puts on for everyone else. This is where Dexter realizes he doesn't want to be like Arthur bringing his whole family to destruction. I'm rewatching this season again since it's been a while for me.

[Groo The Perverted]

Season 5 Sneak Peek Scene: 0:45 in length.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur0wQLRBsD4

Dexter copes with the idea of raising Astor and Cody. Bonus sneak peek scene from the 5th season of Dexter.

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Dexter Season 5 Promo: 1:20 in length.

The "equal and opposite reaction" promo with the Requiem for a Dream music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB88Ml8DGFY

Dexter's carefully constructed world has been turned upside down. Will he be able to pick up all the pieces? Dexter returns September 26th.

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Dexter Season 5 Teaser: 0:30 in length

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG4b8nKKPs

Last year he had his world torn apart, this season he'll have more than blood on his hands. Dexter returns on September 26th.

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[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by ScuseMe

My post has spoilers in it for Season 4. Initially I tried to put spoiler tags around around the specific parts, but it became too hard to read. So I'm warning everyone that there's spoilers in my post. Read at your own risk....

[Show spoiler]Well, I just finished up Season 4, and it was everything that I've heard about it - intense, brilliant acting, exceptional writing - all that I expect from Dexter....up until the last episode. After watching the last few minutes of Episode 12, I have decided that I won't be watching the show anymore

I realize that Dexter has to go through the trials of life to somehow prove that he is a man and not a monster. But dating, marriage, baby and death in the space of 4 seasons is a little too much for me. I think the dating, marriage and baby parts really drove home the fact that Dexter is becoming human, but I detest plot devices coming out of nowhere - like killing off a major character in the last few minutes of the last episode - that it leaves me hating a show that has generally featured fantastic writing these past years. I was hoping that Dexter wouldn't succumb to these inane power trips that the writers take once a show is successful - you know, kill off main characters, completely change the premise of the show, introduce too many new characters - the list goes on and on. Lundy's death (a major character in Season 2) made perfect sense in the whole scheme of Season 4. Rita's death did not (even though Arthur supposedly killed her) - it's there only to shock us. Killing Rita for the sake of shock value is the home of "regular" TV series, not Dexter. There was no buildup to her death, no tension, no anticipation, nothing except shock. It's like the Dexter producers were making a last ditch effort to save the show due to sinking ratings. We know that this was not the case.

Rita - more than any other character on the show - helped me think of Dexter as a person and not a total monster. She allowed me to empathize with him when he "had" to kill. Without Rita, Dexter is just a monster - his grounding in humanity is lost. The struggles that Rita and the kids went through (think Lila and Paul) were great in that Dexter could reveal himself as caring - something a serial killer normally does not do. I don't want to watch a show where the star is a monster. Dexter is exactly this without Rita.

This is why I think Season 5 fails for me as a Dexter show. I want to have Dexter as a vigilante - a character that can exact vengeance when the system fails. All 4 seasons have more-or-less reflected this premise. But Season 5 will have Dexter defending himself for the deeds he has committed or allowed others to commit. This is the Dexter I don't want to watch.

It was a great show; one of the best I've ever seen. But when the writers resort to shock devices to boost the hype or "shake up the ship", then this is where I jump overboard. I would've expected something like this from FOX, not from Showtime. Oh well, the sailing was very pleasant and exhilarating while it lasted.

R.I.P Dexter

SPOILER - SEASON 4

I think you missed the whole point of Season 4.

The entire season was about Dexter trying to figure out how to have it all - have his darkside and still have his family. His "father" kept telling him, "you can't". Not only can't you, but your going to hurt them - one way or another.

Dexter thought he could have it all. He thought he couldn't lose. He was out of control - not following the code. His curiousity and quest for personal revenge destroyed everything he loved.

He had come to believe he could have it all with no consequences. The ending was his absolute realization that it was always going to be nothing more than a fantasy for him.

To his horror, he learned that his darkness would not only consume him, but those he loved.

It was a very specific ending that was clearly promoted throughout the season - not some last minute add in for shock value. It was Dexter's darkest moment and one of the show's best.

[hardtosayx]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

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SPOILER - SEASON 4

I think you missed the whole point of Season 4.

The entire season was about Dexter trying to figure out how to have it all - have his darkside and still have his family. His "father" kept telling him, "you can't". Not only can't you, but your going to hurt them - one way or another.

Dexter thought he could have it all. He thought he couldn't lose. He was out of control - not following the code. His curiousity and quest for personal revenge destroyed everything he loved.

He had come to believe he could have it all with no consequences. The ending was his absolute realization that it was always going to be nothing more than a fantasy for him.

To his horror, he learned that his darkness would not only consume him, but those he loved.

It was a very specific ending that was clearly promoted throughout the season - not some last minute add in for shock value. It was Dexter's darkest moment and one of the show's best.

+1

I'm curious, is it possible to just STOP being a serial killer, because something in your life is making you "human" again? I'm guessing no.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by hardtosayx

+1

I'm curious, is it possible to just STOP being a serial killer, because something in your life is making you "human" again? I'm guessing no.

Maybe he tries and it just doesn't work out .

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Maybe he tries and it just doesn't work out .

I think it's like being a druggy - or trying to be celibate - the urge never leaves you - even if you quit.

[The_Basterd]

OMG all of the SPOILERS are hurting my eyes....

Why can't this thread be labeled SPOILERS and people who haven't seen or fully seen season 4 and don't want to be spoiled move to the blu-Ray threads. For example there is a Season 4 blu-Ray thread as of now that is active.

I think they're are Blu-Ray threads for each season so if you your behind why not just post there, but if your still on seasons 1-3 you just suck.

So much time has passed since the season four Dexter finale, I don't know how someone does not know what happens in the season finale. If for some reason I didnt want to know if I was somehow behind I would have came across it accidently multiple times.

And if you don't want to spoiled for season 5 then just don't enter this thread and stay in the seasons 1-4 blu-Ray threads...

If it stays like this for Season 5, the spoiler tags will become extra annoying and this thread won't be that much fun to post in especially since the whole season basically revolves around the season finale, which is getting extra spoiler tags from the season finale in early December all the way until now.

Just a suggestion.

Seriously Spoiler Tag overload lately....

[hardtosayx]

We decided that it's been almost a year since the season was on, and if people haven't seen it then that's not our problem. If you come into a thread where it's obviously going to be discussed then you're setting yourself up for having something spoiled. Obviously some people didn't get the memo but that's what it is haha

As I said, I don't go into the Breaking Bad thread because I haven't seen season 3 yet. I know they've talked about it and I don't want anything spoiled. If something is ruined for myself then that's my own fault.

[Denoku]

Well I'm watching season 4 again. I watched the episode where Trinity bumps into Lundy. I remember you asked why? Well when Trinity sees Lundy first thing he says is " I've been found" or something like that. So I would say obviously he bumped into him just to be sure but the question I wonder about is why did he drop his keys?

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Dark Moses

Well I'm watching season 4 again. I watched the episode where Trinity bumps into Lundy. I remember you asked why? Well when Trinity sees Lundy first thing he says is " I've been found" or something like that. So I would say obviously he bumped into him just to be sure but the question I wonder about is why did he drop his keys?

yeah, that wasn't really fleshed out it seems. It could be that it was an accident to lure in Lundy but with the revealing of who actually DID kill Lundy and wounded Debra it makes very little sense. They played it up pretty strongly in that episode and nothing came of it. The ONLY thing I can possible think of was that it honestly was a nervous accident by Arthur and it's point was to get Lundy to record his description of Arthur so when Dexter goes through the files he could have an Idea of who to look for.

[Denoku]

Originally Posted by wormraper

yeah, that wasn't really fleshed out it seems. It could be that it was an accident to lure in Lundy but with the revealing of who actually DID kill Lundy and wounded Debra it makes very little sense. They played it up pretty strongly in that episode and nothing came of it. The ONLY thing I can possible think of was that it honestly was a nervous accident by Arthur and it's point was to get Lundy to record his description of Arthur so when Dexter goes through the files he could have an Idea of who to look for.

Well that could probaly be it. It just seemed like he did it on purpose, why would you be jingling keys around just to get on a bus? You would think the bump would be sufficient enough to know whether Lundy knows who you are or not, but then to drop the keys. Why?

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Dark Moses

Well that could probaly be it. It just seemed like he did it on purpose, why would you be jingling keys around just to get on a bus? You would think the bump would be sufficient enough to know whether Lundy knows who you are or not, but then to drop the keys. Why?

yeah, my only suspicion is that the writers WERE going to make it an important thing then decided to go a different direction.

[Denoku]

Yeah I probaly wouldn't have really thought about it too much if hardtosayx didn't mention it.

[The_Basterd]

Originally Posted by hardtosayx

We decided that it's been almost a year since the season was on, and if people haven't seen it then that's not our problem. If you come into a thread where it's obviously going to be discussed then you're setting yourself up for having something spoiled. Obviously some people didn't get the memo but that's what it is haha

As I said, I don't go into the Breaking Bad thread because I haven't seen season 3 yet. I know they've talked about it and I don't want anything spoiled. If something is ruined for myself then that's my own fault.

Good! Thanks for info. I wasn't a member on this forum when Season 4 aired so I didn't know.

[hardtosayx]

It was probably just to throw people off. I remember when it aired people were wondering why that happened. He seemed kinda freaked out when he looked at him, realizing it was Lundy as he had just seen him in the paper. Not that there's no purpose to it, but I'm guessing it was so people would think he shot Lundy and Deb, instead of Christine or anyone else for that matter.

After I've watched things more than once, I notice a lot more and start to wonder. Sometimes I can't help it.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by Dark Moses

Well that could probaly be it. It just seemed like he did it on purpose, why would you be jingling keys around just to get on a bus? You would think the bump would be sufficient enough to know whether Lundy knows who you are or not, but then to drop the keys. Why?

He did do it on purpose.

I just figured Trinity wanted to see if Lundy was on to him - and/or to look in his eyes and see who he was up against. I think people are complicating the scene.