Suspiria 4K UHD (1977)

[Charlie_C]

So I saw this on 35mm last night (seeing Army of Darkness on 35mm tonight).

Straight off the bat I asked them where they got the print from but apparently they are sworn to secrecy and my pressing yielded no results accept that it wasn't an original print, which was disappointing.

It was the uncut English version with 4.0 audio though (sounded insane). The print itself was very tidy and looked like it had only been screened a handful of times at best. My guess is that TLE have made some new prints as the colours looked similar to my BD.

It was good to see it on the big screen anyway, even if it wasn't an OG.

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by okko

I've never been really big on foreign speaking movies

Then you should have no problem with Suspiria.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze.

Please tell me that post confirms this UHD will be "A David M Joint".

Looks that way!!

[4kUltraBD]

Originally Posted by gregmtl92

First time I watched Suspiria was on Tubi and it wasn't a very good experience, several commercials and the picture quality was poor, it made me focus on the dialogue and acting which are definitely not the film's strong suits IMO. I look forward to rewatching it, this time in 4K without commercials, I'm sure that I will enjoy it a lot more. (BTW I am not knocking your suggestion, just sharing my personal experience)

The person I quoted seemed genuinely excited to see the film, so I was just letting them know how to see it immediately, for free, and legally.

Certainly, watching any movie with commercials isn't ideal, but it's a way to see it while you wait for the UHD release. I wasn't suggesting to watch the stream instead of buying the UHD, I was just trying to give a helpful tip to a fellow film lover.

[BluCoop]

I already have like 2 or 3 copies of this. It'll be hard to bypass this on 4K though.

[Ray Jackson]

Not having a 4K player/TV and having already spent $50 on the steenbok, the only thing that makes me even remotely consider the possibility of getting this severely overpriced release is the slipcover art.

Which I must admit...is gorgeous.

[Fiocca_Cola]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

Really, no Italian Atmos?
Bummer - I am used to watch it in Italian (which is also dubbed but is the original language of this film).

You just get into Italian movies? There’s no such thing as original language in Argento movies as everything is dubbed later on, any American actors including Jessica Harper spoke their lines in English while filming and then even recorded their own dubbing.

IMO sometimes horrible English dubbing can add to the charm of a movie, while other times I’ll go foreign track just to make the movie seem more classy. I’ve never had a problem with the English dubbing on suspiria and prefer it that way

[crackedknee]

Originally Posted by Fiocca_Cola

You just get into Italian movies? There’s no such thing as original language in Argento movies as everything is dubbed later on, any American actors including Jessica Harper spoke their lines in English while filming and then even recorded their own dubbing.

IMO sometimes horrible English dubbing can add to the charm of a movie, while other times I’ll go foreign track just to make the movie seem more classy. I’ve never had a problem with the English dubbing on suspicion and prefer it that way

That's the beauty of these movies, you can pick and choose the dubbed track that you prefer. Or pick one depending on your mood in the moment.

[BluCoop]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

Not having a 4K player/TV and having already spent $50 on the steenbok, the only thing that makes me even remotely consider the possibility of getting this severely overpriced release is the slipcover art.

Which I must admit...is gorgeous.

Yes indeed it is.

[Lope de Aguirre]

Originally Posted by Fiocca_Cola

You just get into Italian movies? There’s no such thing as original language in Argento movies as everything is dubbed later on, any American actors including Jessica Harper spoke their lines in English while filming and then even recorded their own dubbing.

IMO sometimes horrible English dubbing can add to the charm of a movie, while other times I’ll go foreign track just to make the movie seem more classy. I’ve never had a problem with the English dubbing on suspiria and prefer it that way

I pick the English dub for the Leone films (even though my native language is German) cause Leone oversaw the translation and the main actors dubbed themselves. AND it is set in America.
The German dubs are much weaker than the English ones.

I watched Suspiria in Italian from the get go and did not know that Harper dubbed herself in English.
I have to pay attention which actors say how much in this film to decide if I will ever seriously try the English dub.
But English seems not to fit very well for this film in my mind...

[Lutz]

re. Language dubs. I don’t know if it’s an authoring issue on the discs or if it’s a deliberate stylistic choice for international dubs? But, sometimes I find myself watching the Italian dub simply because the score is at a higher pitch. It gives some movies an ultra feverish feeling that I can imagine has been scaled back on the English version because they believe we’re not as open to the histrionics? For example the dubs on Severin’s THE DEVIL’S HONEY and Arrow’s LISA AND THE DEVIL the dialogue is at the same volume on both dubs but then the score is at a much higher volume on the Italian dub.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

I pick the English dub for the Leone films (even though my native language is German) cause Leone oversaw the translation and the main actors dubbed themselves. AND it is set in America.
The German dubs are much weaker than the English ones.

I watched Suspiria in Italian from the get go and did not know that Harper dubbed herself in English.
I have to pay attention which actors say how much in this film to decide if I will ever seriously try the English dub.
But English seems not to fit very well for this film in my mind...

Not just dubbed, some of the dialogue is actually proper sync sound. The bolshy matron (or whatever she's called) is also speaking English with her native accent on-set.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by crackedknee

That's the beauty of these movies, you can pick and choose the dubbed track that you prefer. Or pick one depending on your mood in the moment.

Don't tell that to the people in the Godzilla Showa thread.

[nekromantik]

im generally not a fan of dubs
i always watch in original language

[TrentW1982]

Originally Posted by nekromantik

im generally not a fan of dubs
i always watch in original language

The thing with a lot of Italian films in particular though is that there isn't really a clearly defined original or even correct language, because everybody is dubbed in post and there is generally combination of different languages being spoken (but not recorded) on set.

So no matter which option you choose, you'll almost always still get actors dubbed into a different language.

I generally choose which language based on a combination of which language most of the leads are natively speaking, and the setting of the film.

Spaghetti Westerns for example I'll almost always watch in English because it doesn't make sense to have everybody speaking Italian in the American frontier. Also, it's far more preferable to hear the iconic voices of actors like Lee Van Cleef, Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson than the Italian actors playing much smaller parts.

Note: There are exceptions though, such as Django which I watch in Italian because the English dub is just awful and I prefer to hear Franco Nero's own voice.

Italian crime movies on the other hand, most of which are set in cities such as Rome, Naples & Milan and usually star Italian leads such as Maurizio Merli, Franco Nero, Fabio Testi and Luc Merenda, are far better in Italian.

The same goes with most gialli, which even though they are often set outside Italy and often feature at least one American or British star, are still very Eurocentric and the Italian dubs usually just work better and give the films a more credible, less schlocky atmosphere.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by nekromantik

im generally not a fan of dubs
i always watch in original language

The English track is the original language. The movie was shot without dialogue recorded like all Italian films at the time and dubbed into Italian and English in post-production. On set, everyone spoke English.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by TrentW1982

The thing with a lot of Italian films in particular though is that there isn't really a clearly defined original or even correct language, because everybody is dubbed in post and there is generally combination of different languages being spoken (but not recorded) on set.

That's a fair point but it doesn't apply to Suspiria. English was spoken on set and part of it was dubbed to match later on. It's not a mixed production. Thus, the "original language" is English.

[crackedknee]

Originally Posted by Weirded Wonder

Don't tell that to the people in the Godzilla Showa thread.

Certainly not, because:

Originally Posted by nekromantik

im generally not a fan of dubs
i always watch in original language

I always watch the original language as well, and if I don't speak the language then I use subtitles that best correspond to the language (so French subtitles for Spanish language movies, so Latin language matching Latin language).

Originally Posted by TrentW1982

The thing with a lot of Italian films in particular though is that there isn't really a clearly defined original or even correct language, because everybody is dubbed in post and there is generally combination of different languages being spoken (but not recorded) on set.

Originally Posted by BluProofie

The English track is the original language. The movie was shot without dialogue recorded like all Italian films at the time and dubbed into Italian and English in post-production. On set, everyone spoke English.

So this particular movie was done in all English (and later dubbed), but yeah, as TrentW1982 (and the actors in the extras on many of these 60s/70s gialli and other type movies) points out, sometimes people delivered their lines in more than one language.

But the on-set English for this (and any other English-only sets), sometimes the actor's or actors' English was not intelligible, badly inflected or pronounced, etc, and so HAD to be re-dubbed.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by crackedknee

But the on-set English for this (and any other English-only sets), sometimes the actor's or actors' English was not intelligible, badly inflected or pronounced, etc, and so HAD to be re-dubbed.

No, because there wasn’t any dialogue recorded on set in Italian movies. It was ALL dubbed. The English track is a dub. The Italian track is a dub.

[crackedknee]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

No, because there wasn’t any dialogue recorded on set in Italian movies. It was ALL dubbed. The English track is a dub. The Italian track is a dub.

I understand that, I wasn't claiming the dialogue was recorded on-set, I was referring to the filming process. Even if they WANTED to record and retain the dialogue, some of the dialogue from some actors would not have been well-delivered in English (or Italian) anyway. And HAD to be re-dubbed.