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Old 07-14-2015, 08:19 AM   #3961
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It's interesting to ponder if Marvel would buy the Fantastic Four back, however.

On one hand: you know they want to as many of their characters back with them as possible. And we know that before the Daredevil rights reverted, Marvel wanted to make a deal with Fox: give us Silver Surfer and Galactus and we'll let you hold on to Daredevil. Fox said no, Daredevil didn't get made, the rights reverted to Marvel.

So if anything, while I'm sure they'd like to have the FF themselves back, Marvel might have a strategy of, "we don't need the Fantastic Four, we'll wait you out and wait for the rights to revert to us the same way they did with Daredevil or Ghost Rider or Punisher..."

Or they might be willing to pay so they can get their hands on characters in the Fantastic Four catalog, like Silver Surfer and Galactus.

I doubt they'd pay some absurd amount, like the budget of Fantastic Four 2015. Maybe $20 million. Although the word was that Fox wants to do an X-Men TV show, and apparently Marvel has to give permission. They could always say "give us FF back and we'll let you do as many X-Men shows as you want."

Be interesting to see what happens if this does really poorly.
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Old 07-14-2015, 08:22 AM   #3962
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It's interesting to ponder if Marvel would buy the Fantastic Four back, however.

On one hand: you know they want to as many of their characters back with them as possible. And we know that before the Daredevil rights reverted, Marvel wanted to make a deal with Fox: give us Silver Surfer and Galactus and we'll let you hold on to Daredevil. Fox said no, Daredevil didn't get made, the rights reverted to Marvel.

So if anything, while I'm sure they'd like to have the FF themselves back, Marvel might have a strategy of, "we don't need the Fantastic Four, we'll wait you out and wait for the rights to revert to us the same way they did with Daredevil or Ghost Rider or Punisher..."

Or they might be willing to pay so they can get their hands on characters in the Fantastic Four catalog, like Silver Surfer and Galactus.

I doubt they'd pay some absurd amount, like the budget of Fantastic Four 2015. Maybe $20 million. Although the word was that Fox wants to do an X-Men TV show, and apparently Marvel has to give permission. They could always say "give us FF back and we'll let you do as many X-Men shows as you want."

Be interesting to see what happens if this does really poorly.
I think Fox may be desperate to give the Fantastic Four back to Marvel rather than the other way if it flops because they won't want to run the risk of making another Fantastic Four movie and losing a lot of money in the process when it doesn't do well.
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Old 07-14-2015, 08:26 AM   #3963
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What do we want him to be? Do we want something more specific than 'a badass villain'?
myself personally... I was looking for despotic dictator of an eastern country, but hey
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Old 07-14-2015, 09:42 AM   #3964
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Josh Trank works to defy 'Fantastic Four's' doomsayers
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Josh Trank knew what was coming — and, in a slightly perverse way, he welcomed it.

With just one film to his name, the low-budget 2012 sleeper sci-fi hit "Chronicle," Trank had sold 20th Century Fox on the idea of rebooting the "Fantastic Four" superhero franchise with a decidedly darker take than the studio's previous two big-screen iterations. Then, doubling down on his rather risky vision, he had made some surprising casting choices for the venerable superhero team known as Marvel's First Family — most notably, changing the race of one of the iconic characters.

Trank fully expected some die-hard fans of the Fantastic Four — whose history in the comics stretches back to 1961 — to look at his unorthodox approach and declare it clobberin' time.

"I knew it was going to get ugly," Trank, 31, said, sitting in the film's production office in early June on the Fox lot. "But I think maybe there's a part of me that needs adversity from the rest of the world in order to feel motivated to want to prove people wrong."

He has his work cut out for him. There are many words you could use to describe the buzz that has swirled around "Fantastic Four" over the last year, but "fantastic" would not be one of them. From the outset, the film — which hits theaters Aug. 7 — has been hit from seemingly every corner of the Internet by often blistering skepticism and rumors of a troubled production.

The scrutiny has been so intense that Trank says it spurred him to drop out of directing a planned "Star Wars" spinoff film. "It's not healthy for me right now in my life," he said. "I want to do something that's below the radar. It was the hardest decision I've ever had to make in my life."

From the start, Trank had envisioned a more dramatic and grounded take on the Fantastic Four than the somewhat cartoonish films that had hit the screen in 2005 and 2007 — movies that did fairly strong business at the box office but were widely disliked by comic-book fans. Trank's "Fantastic Four" would be more a Cronenbergian body-horror film than a typical superhero origin movie, the story of four young people — Reed Richards (Miles Teller), Sue Storm (Kate Mara), Johnny Storm (Michael B. Jordan) and Ben Grimm (Jamie Bell) — who gain strange powers after experimenting with interdimensional travel and, at least at first, find them utterly disturbing.

Intrigued by that approach, Simon Kinberg, who has worked on several "X-Men" films, came on board the project as co-writer and producer. "What hooked me was Josh's idea of what the honest reaction would be if you suddenly didn't have control over your body anymore — if you were uncontrollably on fire or invisible or you were a rock creature," Kinberg said. "That just seemed so original in a genre that it's hard to be original in."

While the film brings back the franchise's best-known supervillain, Doctor Doom (played by Toby Kebbell), Trank looked to push it in new directions through casting. He chose Jordan — who'd starred in "Chronicle" — for the role of Johnny Storm/the Human Torch, who is white in the comics, and the rather small, 5-foot-7 Bell as Grimm/the Thing, one of the comic-book world's most famous behemoths.

"Josh's idea was, 'Let's play the unexpected,'" Bell said. "I immediately admired how brave that was."

In casting Jordan against race, Trank says his deeper aim was to reflect changing times while staying true to the essence of the comics. "You can't just keep telling a story the same way over and over again," he said. "And I think it only helps the world to be more honest with young kids, to show them the world that they go walk outside and see."

But the choice sparked immediate and intense pushback from many fans, some of it carrying ugly racial overtones. "We knew people would react the way they are reacting," Jordan said. Still, the actor is quick to add that the most rabid dissenters represent a small group: "I've gotten so much love from so many people who are on board for the idea."

In the wake of Trank's departure from the "Star Wars" spinoff movie, reports citing unnamed sources claimed he had, in fact, been fired from the film by Lucasfilm and Disney over his allegedly erratic behavior during the making of "Fantastic Four."

But Trank strenuously disputes the notion that he was difficult or uncommunicative on the set. "If you ask anybody by name who I've worked with, from Simon to [producer] Hutch [Parker] or my crew or anybody else, they'd be like, 'We've been working really hard on this movie and we've had an excellent time working together,'" he said. "It's been a challenging movie —for all of the right reasons."

Kinberg, who is also producing the "Star Wars" spinoff film, said the attacks on Trank were out of bounds: "I haven't really seen this level of vehemence against a filmmaker. And it's surreal and unfair."

There's no question Trank was under tremendous pressure during the making of the movie. "It was a lot of work all the way around and Josh carried a lot of the weight," Teller said. "It was tough. Josh is a young guy. And I think we all learned a lot from it. But he was very committed to this story."

Mara echoes that sentiment. "Josh knew exactly what story he wanted to tell, so he was very specific and very confident," she said. "He's very intense and, pun intended, direct."

Trank said his deep-seated impulse to blaze his own path in the face of doubt and criticism has deep psychological roots in his own childhood origin story.

"When I was in middle school and high school, I was over 100 pounds overweight," he said. "I had a condition called gynecomastia — I had really big man boobs — and I got a surgery for it. My whole adolescence was hating myself and feeling suicidal. I was made fun of by a lot of other kids in such a way that I didn't feel like I was human. That fueled my desire to want to prove people wrong by just writing things and shooting things and being proactive."

Trank's own motivations may be deeply personal but, with a reported $122-million production budget, the success of "Fantastic Four" is important to Fox's bottom line. While acknowledging that Fantastic Four fans have "a bit of a chip on their shoulders about the franchise," Kinberg urges them to keep their minds open and be willing to stretch and bend, Mr. Fantastic-style, with this new interpretation.

"People are religious about comics the way people are religious about the Bible," he said. "But I think it's true for a lot of movies that you can take license with adapting the underlying material and you will be forgiven for it if it's good—and you will not be if it's bad."

Even with the bumpy road "Fantastic Four" has traveled, Trank insists he wouldn't do anything differently.

"I made every single choice knowing that people would question it," he said. "And what better reaction than to have people then go see the movie and understand it and feel like maybe they've learned something about the world, to not question the next thing they think is going to be stupid or weird. I think that's my purpose right now in my life."
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Old 07-14-2015, 09:57 AM   #3965
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New Fantastic Four Trailer Coming Today

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Old 07-14-2015, 10:20 AM   #3966
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[QUOTE=DisneyBlu;11047220]Josh Trank works to defy 'Fantastic Four's' doomsayers

Good luck with that!
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Old 07-14-2015, 12:46 PM   #3967
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If this fail so bad, do you think Fox will sell this back to Marvel?
I could see it going either way. On one hand why hold on to a franchise you can't make successful and be forced to do another movie in 5 years or however long the contract states. Why not just make money selling it back to Marvel and focus on your very successful X-Men stuff?

On the other hand, Fox and Disney seem to be in a massive pissing match right now over perceived injustices on both sides, so they might not want to work together at all. Also, I doubt FF makes no profit at all. Even if it opens to disappointing numbers it will still probably make money overall with overseas taken into account, and then the disc, download and rental money.
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Old 07-14-2015, 12:57 PM   #3968
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I could see it going either way. On one hand why hold on to a franchise you can't make successful and be forced to do another movie in 5 years or however long the contract states. Why not just make money selling it back to Marvel and focus on your very successful X-Men stuff?

On the other hand, Fox and Disney seem to be in a massive pissing match right now over perceived injustices on both sides, so they might not want to work together at all. Also, I doubt FF makes no profit at all. Even if it opens to disappointing numbers it will still probably make money overall with overseas taken into account, and then the disc, download and rental money.
I dunno, in the end ASM2 probably made a pretty decent profit, despite the polarizing reaction to that film. People can say what they want about it but it was probably a lot better than this film will turn out to be and Disney still swooped in to seize control of that franchise. Fans may disagree but I think Disney controls enough characters(not just CBM characters) so I hope Fox gets it together and starts making good FF movies.
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Old 07-14-2015, 12:58 PM   #3969
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Spider-Man has been licensed back to Marvel and Disney but is still, I believe, owned by Sony.

In this instance, if it does poorly I think the franchise could well make a permanent move back to Marvel Studios. The comic has sold so poorly in recent years that Marvel have cancelled it and the characters will now just appear in other titles. I'd be amazed if this is a big hit, no offence to the cast etc, but I just don't think there is an appetite for an FF movie.

To me, it's only being made at all to cash in on the current superhero movie popularity.
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:07 PM   #3970
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I dunno, in the end ASM2 probably made a pretty decent profit, despite the polarizing reaction to that film. People can say what they want about it but it was probably a lot better than this film will turn out to be and Disney still swooped in to seize control of that franchise. Fans may disagree but I think Disney controls enough characters(not just CBM characters) so I hope Fox gets it together and starts making good FF movies.
Sony is in a much different place than Fox. They over-spent and over-relied on a hit Spider-Man movie, so ASM2's average performance was a big blow. Also they didn't sell the rights back, they just brought in Marvel Studios as co-producers and licensed the character for appearances in some Marvel films.

Fox and Disney hate each other, and Fox is not desperate for money or help in any way, so it would have to be a simple "fine, you can have it for a billion dollars" deal. I'm not sure they would ever do that, since a) the movie will likely make money, and b) they could likely keep the rights by making a cheaper sequel in 5 years that will also make a little money.
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:12 PM   #3971
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I'd really hate to give Fox any ideas, but I think one thing that may spur interest in this movie, is its possible eventual connection to the X-Men movies. I for one don't want to see the mutant world tainted by the presence of any other superheroes, especially the likes of Fox's FF, but with the rumors of a crossover happening, I feel I might have to at least give this franchise a chance at some point, because I love Fox's X-Men.

Like I said... "at some point."

For now, I'm going to resist the urge to satisfy my curiosity on how this movie actually is, because even if it turns out half-decent, it still won't be what I want in a FF movie. I do not intend on paying to see this in the theater, because I want it to fail just to help aid in Marvel getting the rights back. I'll see it eventually, and if it does turn out to be a great movie, then I'll probably buy the blu-ray.

But back to this whole X-Men/FF crossover idea... Even if this movie does fail and Fox feels they are stuck between a rock and a hard place with the franchise, before shelving the property or selling it back to Marvel, they may just push forward with that crossover movie anyway with the hope that the X-Men half will be enough to rake in dollars and salvage enough interest to keep the FF franchise alive. Then, they'll probably try to correct the steering on where to take it, much like they did with the X-Men series after a few missteps.
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:18 PM   #3972
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New trailer looks bad bad BAD.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAgnQdiZFsQ
Well, this time they brought "THE EPIC (TM)" that seemingly every superhero film has to have. Like I said, I liked the first trailer, there was an air of mystery, something uncomfortable and eerie about it. Now it just looks more and more generic with forced upon humour for every piece of footage I see, which probably also, ironically, means it will do fairly well at the box office 'cause people seem to love that and buy it wholesale. I don't know... this could really end up either which way. I'm hoping it's good, but who knows...
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When and where is the World Premiere taking place?

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All I can say is I am looking forward to this movie...
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Old 07-14-2015, 02:57 PM   #3978
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Something just doesn't quite feel right. Will watch though.
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Old 07-14-2015, 03:38 PM   #3980
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAgnQdiZFsQ


I think that's a better cut trailer than the previous ones or the TV spots we've seen so far, but it still doesn't give me any hope for this movie, because it's not the Fantastic Four or Dr. Doom I really want to see. It almost seems as if as different as they want it to be, it still comes across as something generic. Can't quite put my finger on it. And NO, it's not because I'm looking for a reason to hate this movie. They've already given me that with the casting.
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