OSCARS to pick 10 Best Picture Nominees

[emm7th]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I guess we can look forward to an Oscar nomination for UP for Best Picture, and boy will I be happy, because then I won't have to see the words "Beauty and Beast is the only animated film ever nominated for Best Picture" ever again.

Yes... I'm rooting for UP's Best Picture Nomination!

[degarcia09]

The Oscars are supose to be about Quality not quantity. The Oscars are only making a nomination for best picture not mean as much as it did before.

[Darkhawk9587]

I am glad that they are bumping the number up from 5. Too many good movies in the past have been snubbed from at least a nomination IMO.

[McCrutchy]

I made a Facebook group against this. If you are on Facebook and feel similarly, please join. You never know, it could do something.

[Ernest Rister]

The Academy Awards are an industrial trade show. The sooner people realize that and stop placing such misplaced importance on them, the better off film discussion will be.

[CMM]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

This is a stupid idea and dilutes the value of a Best Picture nominee. Five is plenty, and most years there aren't even five worthy candidates. I don't know if they think this will raise ratings because now big movies like Dark Knight would be nominated, but it isn't necessary.

It does the exact opposite.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

The Academy Awards are an industrial trade show. The sooner people realize that and stop placing such misplaced importance on them, the better off film discussion will be.

Unfortunately however, the cinema of a certain country is partially judged by how seriously that country treats the films it develops, as well as those of other countries. And so, even if the Oscars are an "industry trade show" and/or "Hollywood patting itself on the back", the rest of the world will still hold America as a country accountable for their idiocy, and film buffs everywhere will end up suffering for it.

[drobswim13]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

The Academy Awards are an industrial trade show. The sooner people realize that and stop placing such misplaced importance on them, the better off film discussion will be.

While this is true, it is still one of the pinnacles of the acting world, more so than the BAFTAs imo. So bumping up the nominees to 10 lessens the amount of prestige a film has to even be nominated in that category. I will agree, however, that there were about 3 or so more films that needed to be nominated for Best Picture last year, but this is not the case with every year. (I'm speaking specifically about Doubt, The Wrestler, and possibly TDK)

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by CMM

It does the exact opposite.

I don't want to start an argument, but doubling the number of nominees decreases the number of votes needed to win Best Picture, so it does dilute the value of the nomination, even on a purely mathematical level.

I will give you, however, that technically it does increase the prestige of the winner, although my position is that there are scarcely ever even five films deserving of the nomination, let alone ten.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Film buffs everywhere will end up suffering for it.

True film buffs know better than to look to the Oscars for anything other than a 3.5 hour ad for Revlon.

[toef]

Originally Posted by fatediesel

This is a stupid idea and dilutes the value of a Best Picture nominee. Five is plenty, and most years there aren't even five worthy candidates. I don't know if they think this will raise ratings because now big movies like Dark Knight would be nominated, but it isn't necessary.

I agree. If they want to change the rule, then allow more than 5 in particularly good years, but don't make it the exception rather than the rule.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

True film buffs know better than to look to the Oscars for anything other than a 3.5 hour ad for Revlon.

But as this proves, a person is smart, but a group of people are stupid.

[CMM]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

I don't want to start an argument, but doubling the number of nominees decreases the number of votes needed to win Best Picture, so it does dilute the value of the nomination, even on a purely mathematical level.

But you're competing against more movies worthy of the award. I would consider that more value, not less

[toef]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I guess we can look forward to an Oscar nomination for UP for Best Picture, and boy will I be happy, because then I won't have to see the words "Beauty and Beast is the only animated film ever nominated for Best Picture" ever again.

Yeah, but you'll begin seeing "Beauty and the Beast is the only 2d-animated film ever nominated for Best Picture".

I don't mean to double post, but to add some reasons why I think this is happening

A) For ratings, so they don't have to sacrifice one of the precious 5 nominations on a popular pick, and can just throw away one of the new 5 slots.

and

B) To drive people to the movies. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that have their own little personal goal to see the Oscar noms each year. Maybe someone can support this idea by showing some sort of bump in the box office for movies after they've been nominated.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

But as this proves, a person is smart, but a group of people are stupid.

Seeing as how all films are collaborative efforts, the existence of great films year to year and the nature of film production itself would both defy the validity of your statement.

[drobswim13]

Originally Posted by CMM

But you're competing against more movies worthy of the award. I would consider that more value, not less

Yea, but you were competing with them before you got the nomination, so it doesn't make much sense to me. If you beat them in the preliminary round to get the nomination (in light of there being 5 noms), you should be able to beat them, as well, if there were 10 noms.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by toefer

Yeah, but you'll begin seeing "Beauty and the Beast is the only 2d-animated film ever nominated for Best Picture".

Hand-drawn, man. Hand-drawn animation. Not "2-D". That term fell out of favor in animation circles a couple of years ago. "2-D" animation could be lots of things. Hand-drawn animation tells you exactly what it is. Calling a hand-drawn film a "2D film" is like calling a Lamborghini a "4 wheel car".

And with a 10 film nominee slate, even the "hand-drawn" designation is likely to fall for Beauty and the Beast - who knows, maybe even this year with Princess and the Frog.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Seeing as how all films are collaborative efforts, the existence of great films year to year and the nature of film production itself would both defy the validity of your statement.

I wasn't applying it to film production, but film viewership (and only in some cases, at that).

Using the AMPAS membership numbers from to Wikipedia, it will only take (approximately) just over 660 votes to decide the Best Picture for 2010, whereas Slumdog Millionaire had to acheive more than 1,321 votes to win this year.

[toef]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Hand-drawn, man. Hand-drawn animation. Not "2-D". That term fell out of favor in animation circles probably two years ago.

And with a 10 film slate, I would be looking out for The Princess and the Frog as a sleeper nominee.

I think the more popular term is "traditional animation", but, in any case, I still like using 2d.

I'd rather reserve "hand-drawn" or "traditional" animation for pre-CAPS stuff, to keep some sort of way to distinguish something like Beauty and the Beast from something like Pinocchio.

[toef]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

I wasn't applying it to film production, but film viewership (and only in some cases, at that).

Using the AMPAS membership numbers from to Wikipedia, it will only take (approximately) just over 660 votes to decide the Best Picture for 2010, whereas Slumdog Millionaire had to acheive more than 1,321 votes to win this year.

Yeah, I think the solution would be to either have a two-step voting process (whittle the 10 down to 5, then re-vote), or separate Best Picture categories (Golden Globe style, with a Drama group and an Everything Else group).

I know there are more than 10 good movies each year, but I don't know if I could easily list 10 movies that should've been nominated last year, or the year before.

5 was plenty. Drop The Reader and add Doubt, and there you go. 5 worked well.