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Velmeran · 06-30-2009, 03:16 PM

On the whole downward spiral of quality S-E games, I think one needs to take a look at when Sakaguchi left (in '04). The man was involved in pretty much every major project Square had for a while.

Director (FF1 - FF5)
Original Concept (FF1, FF2, FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FF9, Parasite Eve)

Producer, Exec Producer or Supervisor on countless others. Go take a look at the projects the man had his hands on, IMO very few of them could be considered a flop, yet look at the list of titles Square had released and there a few he wasn't involved in, which are pretty poor. Sure towards the end as he took on more responsibility he wasn't as directly involved in the smaller projects, but the man still touched nearly every major one....

Would be great to see Nomura, Kitase and Sakaguchi reunited (because I haven't been a fan of Sakaguchi's new studio's latest works on his own)

Maximus · 06-30-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Muppet345

Square just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an *******. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase FFXIII for either system, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this move.

Square, publicly apologize and cancel FFXIII for 360 or you can kiss your business goodbye.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...60243&postcoun

Calm down people. Square are making FFXIII for PS3 and FFvXIII exclusively. After these two projects are finished a managerial shake up is due...

Maximus · 06-30-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Snadinator

FFXIII won't suck though. I hope they get around to releasing a 3D Dragon Quest like DQVIII on the PS2.

It's more then likely that Infinite Undiscovery and Last Remnant were done by the B teams. Last Remnant isn't actually all that bad, it just runs poorly. Infinite Undiscovery though is just textbook poor design.

What about Star Ocean 4, that wasn't done by and b teams. It was tri-Ace's triple A team and it runs like dogshit on the 360. I'm really hopeful for End of Eternity, but they could barely get single platform development down for the easier of the two consoles, so I worry about the PS3 version of the game...

dk3dknight · 06-30-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

What about Star Ocean 4, that wasn't done by and b teams. It was tri-Ace's triple A team and it runs like dogshit on the 360. I'm really hopeful for End of Eternity, but they could barely get single platform development down for the easier of the two consoles, so I worry about the PS3 version of the game...

They can call it the directors cut...

Musashi · 06-30-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

After these two projects are finished a managerial shake up is due...

I always get intrigued when you drop an icon like that one. This another prophecy?

Snadinator · 06-30-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulblazer

That won't happen when Dragon Quest X is coming to the Wii and Dragon Quest IX on DS will release on July 11 in Japan.

Get over it, S-E is not what they used to be in the last gen. Squaresoft was even better than S-E. But now that they have gone Western-style Nomura and Kitase should leave the company as fastest as they can.

There is nothing to get over. IU and LR were likely developed by SE's B teams. FFXIII looks nothing short of amazing.

dk3dknight · 06-30-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Musashi

I always get intrigued when you drop an icon like that one. This another prophecy?

I would not be too suprised, max is spot on about this kind of stuff.

Soulblazer · 06-30-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I'm really hopeful for End of Eternity, but they could barely get single platform development down for the easier of the two consoles, so I worry about the PS3 version of the game...

I have no faith in that game. I think they will mess up with the multiplatform deal.

dk3dknight · 06-30-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulblazer

I have no faith in that game. I think they will mess up with the multiplatform deal.

Well we all know stealing underwear will eventually lead to profit.

Musashi · 06-30-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dk3dknight

Well we all know stealing underwear will eventually lead to profit.

Has it worked for the gnomes yet?

Velmeran · 06-30-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Musashi

Has it worked for the gnomes yet?

Nobody has figured out Phase 2... if only we could solve that problem...
Could pull the old M$ trick and just pay off the S-E board to remove Wada.

dk3dknight · 06-30-2009, 04:37 PM

I thought the meaning of phase 2 was wait till someone smart enough came along and figured it out which would lead to phase 3.

I sometimes wonder if this is how ceos think.. I swear the CEO of our company thinks this way.

ezcobar411 · 06-30-2009, 04:38 PM

That made my day. Thanks for sharing Max

Septimus Prime · 06-30-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...60243&postcoun

Calm down people. Square are making FFXIII for PS3 and FFvXIII exclusively. After these two projects are finished a managerial shake up is due...

I still firmly believe that FFXIII is vaporware. And because the mainline title won't ever come out, I don't think Versus and Agito will ever come out either.

I mean, this doesn't contradict anything you said, as those projects would be considered "finished" eventually either way, but that's just how I feel about this matter.

Snadinator · 06-30-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

What about Star Ocean 4, that wasn't done by and b teams. It was tri-Ace's triple A team and it runs like dogshit on the 360. I'm really hopeful for End of Eternity, but they could barely get single platform development down for the easier of the two consoles, so I worry about the PS3 version of the game...

Sorry but Star Ocean never was a huge JRPG... certainly no where near FF series.

Soulblazer · 06-30-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Snadinator

Sorry but Star Ocean never was a huge JRPG... certainly no where near FF series.

But should have sold over 1 million copies worldwide. But it didn't now.

Musashi · 06-30-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Velmeran

Nobody has figured out Phase 2... if only we could solve that problem...

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Originally Posted by dk3dknight

I thought the meaning of phase 2 was wait till someone smart enough came along and figured it out which would lead to phase 3.

I learned what Phase 2 was when I played Final Fantasy 8: Invoke your GFs to refine the underpants (and whatever else is needed) into something useful.

dk3dknight · 06-30-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Musashi

I learned what Phase 2 was when I played Final Fantasy 8: Invoke your GFs to refine the underpants (and whatever else is needed) into something useful.

But but earthbound teaches us throwing underpants at enemies cause status ailments which may turn the battle..

Or maybe we can fart on them wrap them around eggs to make them hatch quicker allowing you to make money sooner..

Snadinator · 06-30-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulblazer

But should have sold over 1 million copies worldwide. But it didn't now.

How do you figure that?

Star Ocean 3: Till the End of time was released
Japan: February 27, 2003
NA: August 31, 2004

And had a directors cut too.

Japan as of 2008 sold 533,373 copies
NA as of July 2006 sold 630,000 copies

It took quite a while for it to burst the 1 million barrier. This is on a console with a large user base too (the PS2).

dk3dknight · 06-30-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Snadinator

How do you figure that?

Star Ocean 3: Till the End of time was released
Japan: February 27, 2003
NA: August 31, 2004

And had a directors cut too.

Japan as of 2008 sold 533,373 copies
NA as of July 2006 sold 630,000 copies

It took quite a while for it to burst the 1 million barrier. This is on a console with a large user base too (the PS2).

The original Star Ocean 3 was a extremely bugged game, the directors cut fixed the game but was released years later.. How many games with game wrecking bugs release over 300k copies?

Cheers.

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06-30-2009, 03:16 PM	#21
Velmeran Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Apr 2009 Location:Minnesota Blu-ray collection:268 Trading Score:8	On the whole downward spiral of quality S-E games, I think one needs to take a look at when Sakaguchi left (in '04). The man was involved in pretty much every major project Square had for a while. Director (FF1 - FF5) Original Concept (FF1, FF2, FF4, FF5, FF6, FF7, FF9, Parasite Eve) Producer, Exec Producer or Supervisor on countless others. Go take a look at the projects the man had his hands on, IMO very few of them could be considered a flop, yet look at the list of titles Square had released and there a few he wasn't involved in, which are pretty poor. Sure towards the end as he took on more responsibility he wasn't as directly involved in the smaller projects, but the man still touched nearly every major one.... Would be great to see Nomura, Kitase and Sakaguchi reunited (because I haven't been a fan of Sakaguchi's new studio's latest works on his own)

06-30-2009, 04:37 PM	#32
dk3dknight Blu-ray Ninja Member since:May 2007 Location:Arlington, Texas PSNetwork: dk3dknight PostCount: 0001 Blu-ray collection:44 Blu-ray reviews: 2	I thought the meaning of phase 2 was wait till someone smart enough came along and figured it out which would lead to phase 3. I sometimes wonder if this is how ceos think.. I swear the CEO of our company thinks this way.

06-30-2009, 04:38 PM	#33
ezcobar411 Special Member Member since:Dec 2007	That made my day. Thanks for sharing Max

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