I was wondering

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Rebel6666

I have been reading alot of things in the plasmas and LCD and I can't seem to decide. I have everything exceopt for my TV to make my HT complet.

My room is 14 by 14 it will be black as hell also in there as my room will be in the basement, now I want a large TV screen (not a projector) what shuold I go with LCD or plasma and please try to be honest when replying, it's not because you have either one of them that you should think of that I need objective replies considering the room I have , the size that I want and the light that comes in to my room.

Edit: I have also asked in the LCD section

thanks in advance for your replies

Here is what it comes down to.....

If the room is guaranteed to be free from all possbile sources of light while TV is in use (particularly outside light --- meaning no windows whatsoever), then plasma offers the best quality for the environment.

If the room will be experiencing varying lighting conditions, LCD is the way to go. Plasma doesn't offer consistent PQ in lighted rooms.

[4x12]

My sister owns an Samsung LCD and between her screen and my Plasma, the plasma does have a better image quality.

Now... I've had my Panny TH50PZ800 since nov. 2008. Its been very well broken in and i watched all sorts of programing with it since I got it. Its always been in the THX mode and most of the setting are lowered down. I never had a problem until recently... I was watching a certain TV Station called the Food Network (awesome BBQ shows if your into BBQ'ing, and I sure as hell am ) that had its freaking "Food" logo in the bottom right corner, and this is a very visible logo that isnt faded out like other stations have it, now i've got a faint IR of that logo. Its very faint, but my eyes can very well spot it. BTW, this was a 45 minute show called License to Grill.

So this is still a minor issue and I sure as hell aint full of it... maybe the 2009 models are better but mine's a 2008. I contacted Panny and they gave me a few tips that ill try tonight.

But image wise, Plasma wins it.

[wafi]

Pioneer 151FD if you are going plasma.

Sony XBR8 if you are going lcd.

[Scooby Blu]

Originally Posted by wafi

Pioneer 151FD if you are going plasma.

Sony XBR8 if you are going lcd.

As always great advice wafi!

[MasterSandman]

Originally Posted by Rebel6666

Good for you no IR, but Kuros (Pioneer) won't make them anymore you know that right. What is the 600M from Pioneer???

Pioneer is getting out of making plasma displays altogether.

The only Pioneer I've seen in store is the 60" 6020FD but just look at the price tag..

[xneox]

Originally Posted by MasterSandman

It seems like even jumping from the 2008 to 2009 models, there is a big difference when it comes to image retention

Huge difference.

By the Grace of the Home Theater Gods, I went from the 800u to the V10, so I have personal experience with both.

I got scared a few times with the 800u, particularly with station logos - I had pretty significant IR a number of times. Thankfully, it was never permanent. Knowing that, I have not avoided them with the V10.

I have yet to see the V10 retain a station logo, and I'm only at hour 90ish of its break-in.

[4x12]

Originally Posted by xneox

Huge difference.

By the Grace of the Home Theater Gods,

lol

Originally Posted by xneox

I went from the 800u to the V10, so I have personal experience with both.

I got scared a few times with the 800u, particularly with station logos - I had pretty significant IR a number of times. Thankfully, it was never permanent. Knowing that, I have not avoided them with the V10.

I have yet to see the V10 retain a station logo, and I'm only at hour 90ish of its break-in.

I didnt need to know that... Now I want a new one

[vega2K]

I've had a 60" Kuro for more than a year. My break-in (for the first 200hrs) consisted of alternating break-in DVD and watching full-screen programming. After than, I have watched logo-ridden programming for hours, video games for hours, widescreen movies for hours, (get the picture?) and have never experienced any retention problems what-so-ever. I've never even had to use the "clean" the screen feature. Am I lucky? I don't think so, I just think that if you have even partial common sense in your TV viewing, you will not have any problems with a plasma

As far as what I recommend - I think it goes without saying. I have a 40+ inch Samsung LCD and the Kuro and see absolutely no comparison between the two. If you have the money and have a choice between the two, do yourself a favor and get the plasma.

Good luck

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Rebel6666

I would like to have atleast 52 inchs and my budget is 3000$ and I live in Canada. Alos I have heard that Plasam are better in dark rooms compared to LCD is that true

Plasma's today come in 42" 46" 50" 54" 58" 60" and some others but those are the most common... I'd shoot for a 60".

[jmgag03]

Originally Posted by MasterSandman

Pioneer is getting out of making plasma displays altogether.

The only Pioneer I've seen in store is the 60" 6020FD but just look at the price tag..

The Pioneer 600M is a plasma and it can be found online. I would almost always recommend purchasing a TV online due to the savings that can be had. I saved around $300-500 on my 151FD compared to buying it at Best Buy.

$3000 Canadian may make it more difficult to find a 600M for that price, but I would still look around for one online. Ebay comes to mind. My biggest recommendation would be to get atleast a 58inch Plasma. I know very little about different projectors, but if you are doing a room strictly for movie watching then I think that would be a great option if you can quality equipment for that price.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by xneox

Huge difference.

By the Grace of the Home Theater Gods, I went from the 800u to the V10, so I have personal experience with both.

I got scared a few times with the 800u, particularly with station logos - I had pretty significant IR a number of times. Thankfully, it was never permanent. Knowing that, I have not avoided them with the V10.

I have yet to see the V10 retain a station logo, and I'm only at hour 90ish of its break-in.

Welcome to life with a quality plasma.

[Hammie]

Here is my two cents on the subject since I have owned both a 2008 Samsung 860 LCD and a 2008 Panny PZ850u plasma...

Since you have a dark room, like me, you will much more satisfied with the plasma. Because my room was so dark, every flaw in the LCD technology was visible, i.e., flashlighting, backlight bleed, clouding, therefore, I exchanged my set for a plasma. I have never been happier. Family members who have seen both sets agree that the plasma is hands down the best TV they have ever seen (granted, they have not seen a KURO )

Regarding IMage Retention (IR) and Burn In (BI), the major difference between them is that IR is temporary and BI is usually permanent. Have I experienced IR on my plasma? Yes. Did it go away? Yes. Very quickly actually and usually you cannot see it while watching another program. Burn-in is caused when a static image is left on the screen for days.

Good luck and hope get a winner of a set!

[xneox]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Welcome to life with a quality plasma.

To be fair, the 800u was no slouch...but yeah, thanks. I like it here...I think I'm gonna stay.

[xneox]

Originally Posted by louhamilton

...usually you cannot see it while watching another program.

This is a very important point, and I'm thankful that Lou brought it up. Any IR I ever got with the 800u was both temporary and not visible unless on a solid color, static screen, and I was looking for it with my face 10" from the screen. Because I was. Looking for it. 10" from the screen. That's how I roll.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Here is what it comes down to.....

If the room is guaranteed to be free from all possbile sources of light while TV is in use (particularly outside light --- meaning no windows whatsoever), then plasma offers the best quality for the environment.

If the room will be experiencing varying lighting conditions, LCD is the way to go. Plasma doesn't offer consistent PQ in lighted rooms.

Making a general statement such as that is simply not true. I'll be the first to agree that a plasma in a room with lots of direct and indirect sunlight is not the best choice, but one does not need a pitch-black viewing environment in order to enjoy the beauty of a PDP.

My main set is in my basement, in a room with a window on the side and French doors on the opposite wall from my set. All have plantation shutters to control any direct light, but the room still gets a lot of indirect light that does not negatively affect (to me) my picture quality. I do, however, have issues with my plasma upstairs in the living room, which has lots of sunlight during the day. Had I to do it over (I bought the set for a different room before we moved into this house), I would have chosen a good LCD for this room. As we don't watch very much TV upstairs during the day, it's not high on my list of things to change right now.

[Jack Wade]

Just my two cents here, but I have a Sony 42" LCD and one of my friends has a Samsung 50" Plasma. For Blu-ray, I take the Sony LCD because the image is sharper. The plasma has better blacks and color but the image didn't have the same sharpness.

FWIW, I watched WATCHMEN on both sets.

[callas01]

You could get a Local Dimming LED like the Sony XBR8 or the Samsung A950 and they have phenominal black levels for LCDs, I saw a Pro 111 Pioneer and a Samsung 55" A950 next to one another and they looked practically identical, blacks maybe just ever so slightly better on the plasma, but colors were dead even, IMO.

[Kryptonic]

Just save a bunch of money and buy a Panasonic plasma. You won't be disappointed.

[xneox]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Just save a bunch of money and buy a Panasonic plasma. You won't be disappointed.

+1

As close as they are to Pioneer PQ, and considering the fact that they'll be here next year to support you 100%, and considering you can take $1,000+ and sink it into the rest of your gear...well, add all that up for a no-brainer.

[William H Pratt]

Originally Posted by Scooby Blu

If you can afford it get the KURO Plasma it is the best out there. IMHO! I have the 60"(you can see in my gallery) They will stop production on these bad boys soon. That is my 2 cents. Good luck and have fun! I also have a LCD in my basement. The KURO beats it hands down!

I have to agree. My 111FD just seems to look better & better!