PS3 for Blu-ray vs Blu-ray player

[joker552]

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[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by SillyMammo

Reliability? Please explain.

Neither Sony nor MS have released official failure rates for their products, but a recent poll of 5,000 owners put the failure rate for the 360 at 54% and the failure rate for the PS3 at over 10%. Those numbers do not seem to be inflated at all when you view all of the anecdotal evidence for each (which in the absense of official rates released by the manufacturer, that is all you can go by.)

There are many members in this very forum who have had multiple PS3 failures (the same poll also showed that once you have the PS3 repaired, it is 50% more likely to fail again.) There have been problems with laser failure where it just stops reading BD's, and problems with the "yellow light of death" which is just total system failure. Mine had the yellow light of death, three months out of warranty. It was only minimally ever used for gaming (maybe 30 hours total) and had only played about 78-100 BD's. Pics in my gallery show how well ventilated it was... so I have no idea what killed mine.

Of course no electronic product is ever failure free... but I doubt that many standalones in the price range of the PS3 have anywhere near a 10% failure rate.

[Semp1]

You know what else stand alones aren't doing selling over 20 million units of course the failure rate percentage is going to be more widely known when compared to stand alone units that do not even sell more then 50-100 thousand for each model. Honestly saying the ps3 is unreliable is ridiculous and an out right lie.

It's the only player I've ever had that has never and I mean never had any problems with any movie compatability issues and loads always super fast to the point where I never saw a difference with DVD load times, until I bougtht a SAL. Take it from someone who knows I have a ps3 60gb, a slim, a bd-p2500 which is still considered the best upconversion player out, and a dmp-bd60 the ps3 is still the best. The image quality is exactly the same on all 4 units when playing bd's, and upconversion is fine on the ps3's, I've actually always thought it was very good. Sound quality is very good and even has an internal volume set which SAL's do not.

The ps3 is wi-Fi most SAL's are not. The slim is awesome it's got HDMI CEC features which work flawlessly, it bitstreams, and people although I don't agree are saying puts out better PQ because of the HDMI chip upgrade. Again take it from me the PS3 is the best only equaled for BD playing by the OPPO, not surpassed just equaled.

I've said this before and I'll say it over and over again people who spend alot of money do not want to admit that a "video game console" is a better blu-ray player then there expensive SAL when the fact is there's not one player out, and you can go and read all the official reviews that's considered better then the ps3, and any compaint there was, was rectified with the slim.

Do what you want but unless you get the Oppo you're going to regret not getting the ps3 the first time you realize a movie you either bought or rented won't play because it needs a firmware upgrade to play.

[SillyMammo]

Originally Posted by Semp1

You know what else stand alones aren't doing selling over 20 million units of course the failure rate percentage is going to be more widely known when compared to stand alone units that do not even sell more then 50-100 thousand for each model.

+1 Well put Semp1. I just wish you had broken up your response a little.

[Freekman]

I am perfectly satisfied with my PS3 as a Blu player. It has a lower chance of failing than a 360 (sent mine in 3 times) and can play the occasional game.

[RBBrittain]

Originally Posted by Blove23

I would say no, listen to the difference in AQ in both of them....

What AQ difference? The PS3 doesn't have quite as many lossless HD audio options as some stand-alones (no built-in 8-channel analog, no bitstreaming on "fat" models), but you *CAN* do lossless HD audio with it if you play your cards right:

• Multichannel LPCM? That's the PS3's specialty. (Unless your AVR limits your LPCM options, that's no different from bitstreaming.)
• Still insist on bitstreaming TrueHD/DTS-HD MA? Get a Slim.
• Gotta have 8-channel analog? There's a box for that. (Check the "Audio and the PS3" sticky in the Audio forum for details.)

And if you're still using optical cables, stereo analog, etc., you need to upgrade your AVR; that's not the PS3's problem.

[Uniquely]

Originally Posted by Semp1

Honestly saying the ps3 is unreliable is ridiculous and an out right lie. Again take it from me the PS3 is the best only equaled for BD playing by the OPPO, not surpassed just equaled. Do what you want but unless you get the Oppo you're going to regret not getting the ps3 the first time you realize a movie you either bought or rented won't play because it needs a firmware upgrade to play.

It's very difficult to respond to a wall of text, so I snipped all but what I wanted to respond to.

What evidence do you have to say the figures presented by that poll are inflated? I'm guessing you'd say the 54% failure rate they came up with for the 360 was accurate enough. If you go by just one person's experience, you have a 100% success rate with your PS3 (so far) and I have a 100% failure rate. Obviously neither is representative of the population as a whole.

Almost any technical review you read on the PS3 slim has said that the DVD upconversion is worse on the slim than it was on the fatty, and the fatty was never regarded as a great upscaler.

What is to keep owners of standalone BD players from updating their firmware? Some standalones do have wi-fi or the ability to add wifi with an adaptor. Most that do not have wi-fi, do have ethernet; and the few that don't have wifi or ethernet can be updated via burned disc, USB, or memory card. But really.... at this point in BD's life cycle, this is pretty much a moot point as the vast majority of firmware updates are merely adding functionality to the players or improving playback quality; not addressing playback compatibility issues. New players already have the correct firmware to play anything you want to play. It is hyperbole at best, and a lie at worst, to suggest that people who use standalone BD players will not be able to play their movies.

[Semp1]

Let me answer your many disputes with my post:

first I never said it was inflated because im sure it's not my point was if you have 20 million of anything sold there will be more of a present failure rate known solely for the amount of hardware out there. P

Second not one review says DVD upconversion is worse that's a rumor that comes from 1 review from homecinemachoice.com and is taken out of context. The review says and I quote "as a DVD player it’s poor, with a measured high frequency response of -6.14dB (@ 5.8MHz)." this has nothing to do with upconversion and has solely to do with audio from a DVD which by the way I could not hear the difference which is all that matters.

Third I was not saying players do not release firmware I was saying when the disc you are trying to play has issues or does not play have fun waiting for that company to address it.

Fourth only 2 players presently available have wi-fi built in. The LG BD390 and the Sony BD-P S560 where an $80 dongle or seperate bridge is not needed to be purchased.

Fifth players are still incompatable with certain java based discs the Samsung bd-p2500/2550 has problems playing Ghostbusters, some players had problems with some 007 to name a couple films that had issues at first and there are still many issues with Discs and new players present just do a search on any forum you'll find tons of issues with new players and new movie releases, the DMP-BD60 which I see you own being one of them, with it's constant freeze/skip issues.

Sixth I never implied favortism to a ps3 over 360's because I personally think the 360 is a better game console, so your fanboy implication theory goes out the window.

Lastly I fixed that so called wall of text you had problems with and no offense but it seems someone who owns 1 player and 33 blu's obviously doesn't really have too much background knowledge or first hand experience where they should be trying to correct or underhand attack my statements, or spread false knowledge on a forum.

[Irrob]

I own a PS3 and a standalone. As a player they both display a picture that looks identical to me. It should be noted that I turn off all those picture settings in both players. And everyone else should too.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Semp1

Let me answer your many disputes with my post:

first I never said it was inflated because im sure it's not my point was if you have 20 million of anything sold there will be more of a present failure rate known solely for the amount of hardware out there. P

Second not one review says DVD upconversion is worse that's a rumor that comes from 1 review from homecinemachoice.com and is taken out of context. The review says and I quote "as a DVD player it’s poor, with a measured high frequency response of -6.14dB (@ 5.8MHz)." this has nothing to do with upconversion and has solely to do with audio from a DVD which by the way I could not hear the difference which is all that matters.

Third I was not saying players do not release firmware I was saying when the disc you are trying to play has issues or does not play have fun waiting for that company to address it.

Fourth only 2 players presently available have wi-fi built in. The LG BD390 and the Sony BD-P S560 where an $80 dongle or seperate bridge is not needed to be purchased.

Fifth players are still incompatable with certain java based discs the Samsung bd-p2500/2550 has problems playing Ghostbusters, some players had problems with some 007 to name a couple films that had issues at first and there are still many issues with Discs and new players present just do a search on any forum you'll find tons of issues with new players and new movie releases, the DMP-BD60 which I see you own being one of them, with it's constant freeze/skip issues.

Sixth I never implied favortism to a ps3 over 360's because I personally think the 360 is a better game console, so your fanboy implication theory goes out the window.

Lastly I fixed that so called wall of text you had problems with and no offense but it seems someone who owns 1 player and 33 blu's obviously doesn't really have too much background knowledge or first hand experience where they should be trying to correct or underhand attack my statements, or spread false knowledge on a forum.

Ownership of X number of players or BD titles has absolutely ZERO to do with a person's product knowledge or experience. You make some valid points about the PS3, but if you're looking for everyone to agree with you...you are simply out of luck.

John

[Semp1]

No I'm not it's my opinin. Everything I did write was fact though when it comes to what's better that's your opinion. I really don't care if people agree with me I just do not like false knowledge being spread with lack of education. I don't think me having 4 players gives me any more credibility I think the fact that I know what I'm talking about does, I think owning all the players I do gives me the first hand impressions that are necessary to make Accurate comparrisons and judgements, which is very important when it comes to knowing about products, or being able to give someone a more valid opinion instead of a biased one which is what most give based on the fact that they only have 1 player. How can someone say standalones are the best if they've only had 1 player, how can they say blu's don't have issues anymore. They can't.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Owning more than 1 player (4 in your case) does NOT guarentee that you know more than a person that has less. To say your comparisons are more valid is Bu**sh!t of the stenchiest kind. You're basically saying that us mere 1-player owners have opinions and experience that can't match yours.

I have no doubt you are very knowledgeable about Blu-ray players, but don't ever assume that as a multi-player owner you know more or are better-equipped to make valued suggestions or recommendations, and that your opinion is more important. Get off your high horse!

If you want to talk about the differences between the PS3 and SAP's, then do so. But do it with respect for and towards other members.

John

[Semp1]

I have nothing but respect for everyone but I do not like when people imply that I'm fabricating or making something up or being a fanboy in any way, and that's what happened, again I never said the amount of players I have gives me more knowledge you did. I said I know what I'm talking about and the fact that I have 4 players gives me an edge over someone who has 1 simply because I can make first hand comparisons unlike someone with 1 player. I'm not arguing or fighting. This is silly I was trying to give someone factual information on a PS3 and why it's either as good or better then all other SAL's.

[Johnny Vinyl]

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion and recommendations Semp1, and I hope that you continue to post and be active. We can all learn from one another, as it should be.

Keep fighting the good fight for your beliefs...it's not like we don't either!

If I haven't said it before....welcome to Blu-ray.com!

John

[4TA23]

I have both a PS3 and two other BD players. personally prefer the stand alone for BD but if I was to only have one player it would definetly be a PS3. If this is your first BD player you will not notice any differences as you have nothing to compare it too and it does just fine as a BD player and you get alotof other cool functions as well such as PS3 Media Server for streaming content from your PC, you can add an external HD or upgrade the internal HD and if you know what you are doing you can get all you DVD's copied to the PS3 in DVD quality pic and sound and at least for movies you do not want to drop alot of money on on BD just get a copy of a DVD and transfer it to your PS3. So many awesome features. This would always be my first player if I had to do it all over again. Oh yeah it plays sweet games as well like Call of Duty oh yeahhhhh... It has to be the best bang for the buck that is for sure. Over all you can ot beat the price and features and this is coming from some one who loves there stand alones as well.

[quest88]

Originally Posted by progers13

These two responses sum it all up. Those that see the PS3 as a capable Blu-ray player and those that do not. If you do a little searching on this site, you will find that this is a subject that has literally been beat to death, buried, dug up, and beat some more.

Although I personally fall into the camp that supports PS3 as a Blu-ray player, there are many others who do not.

Well said !!!!!

I think we need to add a poll just for fun !

[Semp1]

Thanks for welcoming but I've been a member as long as you lol. Thanks though.

[syncguy]

Originally Posted by robinandtami

Neither Sony nor MS have released official failure rates for their products, but a recent poll of 5,000 owners put the failure rate for the 360 at 54% and the failure rate for the PS3 at over 10%. Those numbers do not seem to be inflated at all when you view all of the anecdotal evidence for each (which in the absense of official rates released by the manufacturer, that is all you can go by.)
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Is there a break down of the failure rate. I wish to find out the %s failed during each year of operation. e.g. x% failed within the first year, y% failed during the 2nd year etc. I expect most failures to occur during the first year of operation which is covered by the warranty.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by Semp1

Thanks for welcoming but I've been a member as long as you lol. Thanks though.

Just noticed that. My error!

John

[talbers23]

I've used quite a few players in the past, about 10 different stand alone players in all, including a high end denon. I've had every model of the ps3, except the 20gb and the new slim. I felt that the ps3 was a better play then all of them until I got the oppo bd83.