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Old 07-15-2007, 03:11 AM   #21
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dont know if anyone here subscribes to time warner high definition service, but they recently showed i think all 6 movies on HBO HD, that is broadcast in 1080i, sooooooooo, i am thinking it wont be long now
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Old 07-15-2007, 03:20 AM   #22
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That is correct. There were definitely more than two LD releases. Depending on how they are counted it's more like five. At least two of which were releases to fix *completely* botched issues with previous versions (remember that point I was trying to make earlier about Lucas being particuarly uninterested in the consumer?). My favorite is the infamous "shrinking aspect ratio" of the original LD release of A New Hope. How can anyone defend a released product (the first release of the first film on the then current SOTA technology) in which portions of the film have part of the image obscured and Lucas either didn't noticed or simply didn't care. It's that kind of "attention to detail" that has earned Lucas' poor reputation with his would-be "fan-base."
A film which magically shrinks from 2.35:1 to 2.55:1 - anyone remember the discussion about "annoying black bars?" Well what about when there REALLY ARE black bars blocking out ACTUAL video content?

Just pitiful.
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Old 07-15-2007, 04:22 AM   #23
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dont know if anyone here subscribes to time warner high definition service, but they recently showed i think all 6 movies on HBO HD, that is broadcast in 1080i, sooooooooo, i am thinking it wont be long now
BlueAngel is correct all 6 movies were remastered in 1080i(1.85:1 no bars)for the hd channels. I personally have them on my dvr
If I was head of marketing for sony I would pay lucas and new line cinema to release the star wars and lord of the rings movies on blu ray exclusively...that would be the end of HD-DVD period. Anyways having star wars in 1080i on my dvr I dont mind waiting.

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Old 07-15-2007, 05:56 AM   #24
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Don't have good copies of the originals??!! You have GOT to be kidding! Of COURSE they have the original negatives and some of the original prints, and in excellent condition. What do you think they used to make the theatrical re-release films from? Did they keep the original material for 20 years then lose them in the last 10? I don't think so.

Calling Lucas names is going overboard, but apologizing for what is obviously fairly reprehensible treatment of the fans is almost worse.

They guy did a lot of great things we should all be happy about. And we should be honest and up-front about that. But he has been stiffing fans on more than Star Wars for a long time. Indiana Jones on DVD only in 2003? That's pitiful, also.
He should give the Indy flicks their just dues and release those first on blu-ray instead. I'd be more interested then.
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Old 07-15-2007, 09:02 AM   #25
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To be fair, I don't think Lucasfilm were that conscious of what product was being put out in the early days by Fox Home Entertainment / Fox Video.

I can't really comment on Laserdisc, because I never had a LD player, but certainly there were several versions on VHS, which Lucasfilm probably never had anything to do with.

There was the original rental release.

Fox then released sell through versions in 1988, and as I recall, Star Wars was first released on it's own under a Fox All Time Greats banner in 1987. Empire and Jedi followed in 1988, and Star Wars was repackaged to match.

They later released a box set, which had all 3 films in uniform packaging.

Letterbox editions followed a couple of years later.

A couple of years on, about 1995, digitally remastered editions followed in the UK - but this was all done independently of Lucasfilm.

In 1996, Lucasfilm took control of the franchise. Remastered editions were released, supposedly for the last time ever before the Special Editions. This was when the definitive video box set came out.

The Special Editions were released in 1997 for a limited time. They didn't get reissued until 2002 when Attack of the Clones came out - 5 years later. That's not that different to Disney's policy with their films. The only extra on here was a 10 minute featurette on Attack of the Clones. There was no need to buy them again, and it's understandable them making them available when a new film is released. Any other studio would do the same. The biggest complaint was that the movies were on VHS again, not DVD.

Now we know the reason why is probably the extensive remastering and restoration and new scenes and effects which went into the DVD release.

This came out in 2004, just before Sith hit theatres. They were re-released in a slimmed down 3 pack the following year, but no-one was twisting anyone's arm to buy them, and what difference is this to releasing a 1 disc and 2 disc DVD. It gave buyers a choice between the 4 disc set with extras and a movie only release.

It's my understanding that pristine copies of the original theatrical cuts don't exist and it would have mean't a huge expense to release these. Quite honestly, they don't stand up well alongside the new DVD versions, the effects are dated now, and I would much rather see the new versions. I've watched the old theatrical cuts once since the release - but it's nice to have them in my collection, however I'm quite happy with the way they've been released. It's a bonus.

I don't feel that Lucas has ripped me off over the years. I think other studios have ripped off people far more than Lucas. What about Disney re-releasing vault titles in inferior versions - such as Tarzan? What about Paramount and the way they rip off Star Trek fans? What about the recent re-releases of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy?

No-one's forced anyone to buy anything. Lucas always comes across as a well-meaning, unassuming guy in interviews. He's as shocked by the success of Star Wars as anyone - and in many way's it's a victim of it's success. Because it's so successful, people seem to think they deserve and are due everything to do with Star Wars. This isn't the case - and they don't treat other film franchises in this way.

At the end of the day, it's Lucas' property. He is a business man and he has to manage that property successfully in order to do other projects. It's because he's done so, that he was able to complete the saga, and he was able to complete it without studio interference, and be true to his own vision (whether you like it or not - you have to admire him for making the movies he wanted to make).

If he was just out to make money, he could have continued pumping out a new Star Wars movie every three years after Jedi, just to satisfy the demand for a Star Wars film. He would be working on another trilogy now.

Instead, we have someone who's put so much money and time back into the film industry. If you listen to the way other directors talk, and here about how generous he is with his facilities at Skywalker Ranch, and in sharing technology, information and techniques. If he was so greedy, why would he have stuck out against union rules over the credits for Empire, and paid those fines, as well as those of director Kirshner - instead of sacrificing artistic integrity and bowing down to union demands. Why did he share profits from Star Wars and Empire with his staff.

I think it's downright rudeness and bad manners the way people bad mouth Lucas on the Internet quite honestly, and it's about time people grew up and got over themselves. No doubt I'll be flamed by some for this post, but it really annoys me that people who have achieved nothing can be so vitriolic to someone who has achieved so much and brought so much enjoyment to so many people. I don't set him up as an idol, he's a human being who is subject to the same foibles and weaknesses as the rest of us, but I don't believe he deserves all of these attacks.

To me, there are two great people in the world of entertainment, who both no doubt have their darker sides like all of us, but who have also made so many advances and brought so much to film and the entertainment industry in general. Those people are Walt Disney, and George Lucas. I don't think it's any accident that Lucas properties such as Star Wars and Indiana Jones are so prominent in Disney theme parks.

To me, their successes should be celebrated!
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:36 PM   #26
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Now let's not turn this into a rant against George Lucas, I've made my feelings clear about that in another thread. The following was posted on Digital Bits today. It's no major surprise, but it's encouraging that they are thinking about HD.

Finally today, there's interesting Indy and Star Wars news: At the Star Wars Celebration event in Europe this past weekend, George Lucas' longtime producer, Rick McCallum, spilled the beans on some interesting release plans at Lucasfilm. It seems that the first of several volumes of Young Indiana Jones episodes will finally be released on DVD on 10/13. According to this link at the official Star Wars blog, the first batch of discs will street in October, followed by another in January and one more right after the theatrical release of Indy IV. There's an audio recording at that link of some of McCallum's presentation. Several Bits readers who were on hand at the event have e-mailed us to say that Rick also told the gathering that the Star Wars films will NOT be released in high-definition until there is a clear winner in the Blu-ray Disc/HD-DVD format war (implying that they'll eventually be released on only one of the two formats). I expect we'll hear more about this next week at Comic-Con in San Diego. By the way, the audio recording also offers some new information on the planned Star Wars live action series, as well as the future prospects for a theatrical release of the Star Wars films in 3-D. It's worth checking out.
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Old 07-16-2007, 07:14 PM   #27
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I think most people on here speculated that Lucas would only release on one format. Hopefully he won't wait too long to release after the format war is officially over.
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Old 07-16-2007, 07:37 PM   #28
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By the way, the audio recording also offers some new information on the planned Star Wars live action series, as well as the future prospects for a theatrical release of the Star Wars films in 3-D. It's worth checking out.[/I]

I look forward to the Star Wars films in Blu.

George Lucas loves to suck the money out of his fans. I like Star Wars, but I'm not going back to the theater to was Star Wars films in 3-D. Lucas needs to get off his high horse and let other directors and writers make some Star Wars movies. (of course this will never happen)
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Old 07-16-2007, 07:45 PM   #29
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Well he better get ready to start making that Ulitimate Blu-ray edition with all the changes he could ever want to make, plus give us the option to watch all the origianl theatrical releases as an added bonus. Just make sure the original trilogy is shown in anamorphic widescreen and is the original theatrical versions.

Well we should see these soon as Fox only supports Blu-ray and when Universal goes neutral all will be said and done. So it is written, so it shall be done....
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:16 PM   #30
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I look forward to the Star Wars films in Blu.

George Lucas loves to suck the money out of his fans. I like Star Wars, but I'm not going back to the theater to was Star Wars films in 3-D. Lucas needs to get off his high horse and let other directors and writers make some Star Wars movies. (of course this will never happen)

There is always one!

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Old 07-16-2007, 10:21 PM   #31
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yay for Indy!!! Lucas isn't sucking me out of anymore money. I have enough Star Wars sets in my collection already. I'd love an Indiana Jones quadrilogy on blu though
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:25 PM   #32
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Make that two - do people not understand plain English. Why do you always have to drag Star Wars or Indy threads down to small minded insults against George Lucas?
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:48 PM   #33
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Make that two - do people not understand plain English. Why do you always have to drag Star Wars or Indy threads down to small minded insults against George Lucas?
I own 3 VHS sets and all the dvd's. how is that an insult to George Lucas? I plainly stated my excitement for Indy, and I'll gladly part with my money for that set, but for Star Wars, enough is enough. And this thread at least states Lucas is waiting for a definitive winner in the hi-def war, so now we all know the movies won't be out until after that happens. Hopefully this is the last Star Wars thread for a while. I didn't mean to sound insulting toward Lucas, but after the bajillionth Star Wars thread it was bound to happen.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:04 PM   #34
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Gotta agree with Lucas, get that money Son!!! He's only waiting to convert them to High def so he spend little on making it on two formats. He sees the winner makes one format and profits the most from the market. Bada Bing Bada Boom.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:48 AM   #35
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BlueAngel is correct all 6 movies were remastered in 1080i(1.85:1 no bars)for the hd channels. I personally have them on my dvr
If I was head of marketing for sony I would pay lucas and new line cinema to release the star wars and lord of the rings movies on blu ray exclusively...that would be the end of HD-DVD period. Anyways having star wars in 1080i on my dvr I dont mind waiting.
This has been said about a lot of films, but let's everyone get something straight. If the HD-TV versions of LOTR and Star Wars were to be used as is for source material for Blu-ray then HD-DVD fans would have every right to cast derision at Blu-ray.

YES they are much better than DVD. YES they are much better than standard broadcast. Examples of five star video transfers they are not. And they certainly don't have audio options we'd want to hear, either.

I know I'm going to get, "but they look great," responses. Sure they do, I've already said that. Before you comment, think of this: each LOTR movie was four hours (including commercials) and therefore took up approximately 30 GB (including one audio track) on our DVR hard drives. That's one dual layer HD-DVD. Are we saying that 50GB is overkill? Are we saying that the low bit-stream rate that we were getting over cable is enough, and that the extra 10Mbit/s video rate and extra 3Mbit/s audio rate of Blu-ray over HD-DVD are unecessary and overkill? I hope not.

The transfers necessary to produce Star Wars and LOTR HD releases have NOT been done. Please understand this. And, as has been pointed out - the SW films were 1.85:1 releases. I know there is disagreement around here about what the "correct" aspect ratio for films is, but the fact is that *most* people would around here (i.e., videophiles) would not be even remotely satisfied with 1.85:1 releases. And as for LOTR, many if not most around here are going to be even further dissatisfied with anything less than the Extended Editions.

And, just curious, if people are satisfied with the video and audio quality of Star Wars and LOTR currently residing on their DVRs why do they even care about a commercial release?

Star Wars - years at a miniumum.
LOTR - second half of 2008 MAYBE and Theatrical Release only.

And the rumour floating around here and elsewhere about LOTR Theatrical Release versions for HD-DVD and Extended Edition versions for Blu-ray is just more rubbish, and undocumented rubbish at that.

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Several Bits readers who were on hand at the event have e-mailed us to say that Rick also told the gathering that the Star Wars films will NOT be released in high-definition until there is a clear winner in the Blu-ray Disc/HD-DVD format war (implying that they'll eventually be released on only one of the two formats)
Let's make sure a clear winner comes sooner than later.

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Anybody see that Spielberg on Spielberg doc TCM did? That 2.5 for 2.5 trade with Lucas over Star Wars and Close Encounters, priceless. Those guys have earned the right with me to be patient and wait out this format war. God forbid HD DVD wins and that's the only way I'll ever get HD copies of Star Wars, Indy, Jurassic, Pvt. Ryan I'm jumpin' ship faster than Dubya on Rosie's family cruise.
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Old 07-17-2007, 05:57 AM   #38
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When the SW films hit BD, I want them to include the original, theatrical versions AND the "enhanced" versions if I'm going to buy it.

Indy... I'll buy it. I am VERY excited about the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. Hopefully that'll hit BD soon, too. Those were EXCELLENT, and very educational for young minds.

I can forgive George for whoring out the SW universe with one re-issue after another. But I cannot forgive the Jar Jar Binks tongue popsicle. WTF, George? Little kids suck on that thing... that's just gross.
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To paraphrase Lucas himself, "Just put the series on Blu-ray and we can end this war now!"
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Cough cough douchebag cough cough. He really does need to either die or let someone else take over his franchise.
The 3 most recent Star Wars films have proven Lucas somewhat incapable as a director... great conductor of special effects scenes, but, in no way a director. The first 2 films (not 3 because Jedi, if you're honest with yourself, is kinda crappy) were a fluke. Lucas needs to retread and repackage his franchise because it's all he's got. What else does he have... "Howard the Duck?" "Radioland Murders?". "THX138" and "American Graffiti" were never really huge hits. Anything else worthwhile was a collaboration with another person ie. Indy with Spielberg. Lucas... on his own, is not about quality... he's about resting on his laurels and terrible direction.

That being said... I'll always be thankful to him for "A New Hope".
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