Sony XBR 10 for preorder!!!11!!one!!!

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by Systemlord

A few years ago that might have been true, but things have change since that time! If I remember correctly Sony used to dominate in any size LCDs, the last few years Samsung is ranked way above Sony LCDs. Sony has the worst motion processing technology that makes things even worse, like Toshiba. Samsung's lastest offerings of their 240Hz AMP actually works to eliminate Judder and motion blurr. Having Judder Reduction down to 3-4 actually allows things to stay fluid and film like without looking like video.



http://hometheatermag.com/flat-panel...xbr9_lcd_hdtv/

Quoted by Home Theater Magazine on the XBR9 Sony KDL-52XBR9 LCD HDTV. Sony has slipped down a muddy hill, but not their prices. If Sony is the best LCD producer out there, then how do you explain the lower black levels than most conventional LCDs?

Here's another quote from Cnet..."In other words, the XBR9 reproduced the darkest blacks among conventional LCDs in our comparison, but didn't match the LED-backlit models." Granted, there have been some other LCD's released since the XBR9 was reviewed by Cnet that have slightly better blacks, but upon release the XBR9 had the best blacks among conventional LCD's. There are other reasons to downgrade the XBR9 though. Color accuracy actually went down a bit in some regards from the XBR7.

[YodasFootPowder]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

You're also paying for reliability and excellent customer service. Sony is top notch in regards to warranty service which most buyers never use since Sony products rarely exhibit problems. Also, the XBR10 will be their flagship set replacing the previous flagship XBR8 which was the best LCD available at the time, so I would expect nothing short of excellence with the XBR10...for a nominal fee of course.

I tried to get a PSP fixed under warranty, was only 3 months old. I never had such a headache. I was promised call backs from customer service, never heard back from them. Probably called 3-4 times to talk to new reps. Gave them my ticket numbers and they were never saved in the system and I would have to start all over again.

This happened probably 3-4 times. Finally, I called and got a rep who very easily got the claim started and had it fixed. But, man, the two week long headache I had trying to get things started was the worst experience of my life. Not sure what that was all about. Maybe the TV claims are handled differently?

They do make good TVs most of the time, I'm not denying that. But, they charge a little much for what you get sometimes.

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by YodasFootPowder

I tried to get a PSP fixed under warranty, was only 3 months old. I never had such a headache. I was promised call backs from customer service, never heard back from them. Probably called 3-4 times to talk to new reps. Gave them my ticket numbers and they were never saved in the system and I would have to start all over again.

This happened probably 3-4 times. Finally, I called and got a rep who very easily got the claim started and had it fixed. But, man, the two week long headache I had trying to get things started was the worst experience of my life. Not sure what that was all about. Maybe the TV claims are handled differently?

They do make good TVs most of the time, I'm not denying that. But, they charge a little much for what you get sometimes.

I'm a little surprised at the problems you've had, but that's not the norm with Sony. I guess now with everyone reeling from the economic downturn everyone's going to try to get out of honoring claims if they can. Sony's history with warranties have been very good though.

I do agree that Sony's pricing has been pretty high in comparison to other manufacturers, but you also have to look at the track records of the competition. Samsung does make great products, but they've been known to have some horrible customer service especially when it comes to warranty issues. Samsung has also had a lengthy history of quality issues too.

[Systemlord]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

Here's another quote from Cnet..."In other words, the XBR9 reproduced the darkest blacks among conventional LCDs in our comparison, but didn't match the LED-backlit models." Granted, there have been some other LCD's released since the XBR9 was reviewed by Cnet that have slightly better blacks, but upon release the XBR9 had the best blacks among conventional LCD's. There are other reasons to downgrade the XBR9 though. Color accuracy actually went down a bit in some regards from the XBR7.

When was that review of the XBR9?

The review for the Samsung LN52B750 said, "Reproduces deep black levels; accurate color, commendable picture uniformity for an LCD; very good dejudder processing." The Samsung LN52B750 series can't beat the picture quality of the best plasmas and LED-based LCDs, but for a conventional LCD, it's one of the best we've tested."

This review was on Reviewed on: 05/14/2009

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by Systemlord

When was that review of the XBR9?

The review for the Samsung LN52B750 said, "Reproduces deep black levels; accurate color, commendable picture uniformity for an LCD; very good dejudder processing." The Samsung LN52B750 series can't beat the picture quality of the best plasmas and LED-based LCDs, but for a conventional LCD, it's one of the best we've tested."

This review was on Reviewed on: 05/14/2009

It was reviewed a week earlier, but as I stated there have been TV's released after that review that had slightly better black levels. In the B750 review Cnet said the XBR9 was the next closest to it. They said "Compared to the other LCD displays in our lineup, however, the B750 fared better, coming closer to the reference display than any of them. The difference was subtle between the XBR9 and the B750, however." There's no significant problems with the XBR9. Cnet didn't give it a higher score partially because of the price. It is expensive for what you get in comparison to other TV's on the market.

[YodasFootPowder]

Best Buy has a good price on the 52XBR9 this week. I was tempted to return my B750 just to try the XBR9 and keep whichever I liked better. But, the 52B750 went down to $1799.99 at Best Buy this week, which is over $200 dollars cheaper than what Amazon is offering it at. I might just have to keep my B750 at that price. I really like it, but I was curious how the XBR9 would fare for me. I do like the matte screen better.

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by YodasFootPowder

Best Buy has a good price on the 52XBR9 this week. I was tempted to return my B750 just to try the XBR9 and keep whichever I liked better. But, the 52B750 went down to $1799.99 at Best Buy this week, which is over $200 dollars cheaper than what Amazon is offering it at. I might just have to keep my B750 at that price. I really like it, but I was curious how the XBR9 would fare for me. I do like the matte screen better.

The B750 is a little better so I wouldn't bother trading it out. Like I said the XBR9 is a good set, but for the money there is better which you already have even if they are relatively close in performance. I do expect the XBR10 to be an excellent performer that just may beat out the B8500, but that remains to be seen.

[Lavalamp]

BestBuy has it listed for preorder. still costly but we'll wait and see.

[Systemlord]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

The B750 is a little better so I wouldn't bother trading it out. Like I said the XBR9 is a good set, but for the money there is better which you already have even if they are relatively close in performance. I do expect the XBR10 to be an excellent performer that just may beat out the B8500, but that remains to be seen.

I like constant competition between manufacturers, it's a healthy thing for the consumer!

[Mr. Joshua]

Originally Posted by blu-Is

I agree that the XBR8 is awesome-I have a 46 inch. I paid 2999 canadian dollars. I noticed that Future Shop Canada is selling the 46 XBR8 for 3299 while the 46 XBR9 is at 3099. If the price difference is similar in the States the extra 200 bucks is the deal of the century! I don't know how the supply of 8s is holding up though.

I got a 46" XBR9 for $1899 + tax at Best Buy in Wilmington, NC about a month ago. Only thing I don't like about the XBR10 is the separate box to input your HDMI and other cables and stream video to the screen. I don't think there is a direct HDMI hookup on the TV itself. I may be wrong but that is how I read it on Sony Style... The sonystyle.com website does not show a photo of the back of the TV. Here is the link to the website info:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665981657

[mjbethancourt]

Edge-lit? Well then, not interested. Wake me when Sony makes another model with triluminous LED backlighting.

[lojack1976]

Wowwww...Edge-lit?!! I didn't see that coming. I understand....well OK...I don't understand this desire for an extra thin panel, but did they have to abandon local dimming...this doesn't make sense at all. I highly doubt this set will perform as well as the Samsung B8500. If it does I will be totally shocked.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

Wowwww...Edge-lit?!! I didn't see that coming. I understand....well OK...I don't understand this desire for an extra thin panel, but did they have to abandon local dimming...this doesn't make sense at all. I highly doubt this set will perform as well as the Samsung B8500. If it does I will be totally shocked.

I told you when we were bickering last month: our Sony insider said a long time ago that the XBR10 would not be backlit LED, that they had no official, concrete, future plans for that technology.
Good thing I don't need a new TV this year or the next. I really haven't been all too impressed with this year's TVs from any brand, it's just been nice to see all the prices come down so much. I think this is a good year to buy a secondary TV, but not a primary one. I think the TV makers are holding back their best designs for when the economy bounces back and they can charge more for them. I think overall, Sony has a long-term business plan of taking a really big hit in the shorts this year, (since they're going to have bad news for their shareholders no matter what), and instead position themselves to do much better a year or two from now, when Xbox360 really fades out and people stop looking for the cheapest HDTV they can find.

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

I told you when we were bickering last month: our Sony insider said a long time ago that the XBR10 would not be backlit LED, that they had no official, concrete, future plans for that technology.
Good thing I don't need a new TV this year or the next. I really haven't been all too impressed with this year's TVs from any brand, it's just been nice to see all the prices come down so much. I think this is a good year to buy a secondary TV, but not a primary one. I think the TV makers are holding back their best designs for when the economy bounces back and they can charge more for them. I think overall, Sony has a long-term business plan of taking a really big hit in the shorts this year, (since they're going to have bad news for their shareholders no matter what), and instead position themselves to do much better a year or two from now, when Xbox360 really fades out and people stop looking for the cheapest HDTV they can find.

Well, I don't put much stock in unconfirmed rumors for one. If its not officially confirmed I'm inclined to dismiss it as speculation. Speculative misinformation gets thrown around all of the time. Second, its not exactly a logical maneuver to replace last year's top of the line local dimming set with an edge-lit set while all of the competition are releasing local dimming sets. So no...this is not something I would've expected or believed without confirmation, and I still find it quite puzzling. Since it hasn't been reviewed yet I'll hold out judgment.

Maybe Sony has figured out a better way to do edge-lit lighting. I doubt it, but then again Samsung surprised me with the 8000 series since it was a vast improvement over the first edge-lit sets. I certainly wouldn't put any money on it though. I remember the first Sony edge-lit set being pretty bad. The price tag of this set is pretty high too, so it sure better be some kind of great for $5000. I guess they're banking on the thin design and the wireless feature to make it a hit.

[mjbethancourt]

It sounds like a rip-off gimmick to me. I'm definitely not a fan of the edge-lit sets, and $5000 is outrageous.

[carbonS54]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Edge-lit? Well then, not interested. Wake me when Sony makes another model with triluminous LED backlighting.

My thoughts exactly...

[Sonny]

Sony needs to get there sh!t together and put out the XBR8's predecessor already... No edge lit crap...

[Derb]

http://www.tstonramp.com/~pddwebacc/lcd_backlights.htm

Edge lit & Array are both LED cousins.

Its obvious why Sony went with Edge lit LED.. It consumes less power.

[carios23]

Originally Posted by YodasFootPowder

Best Buy has a good price on the 52XBR9 this week. I was tempted to return my B750 just to try the XBR9 and keep whichever I liked better. But, the 52B750 went down to $1799.99 at Best Buy this week, which is over $200 dollars cheaper than what Amazon is offering it at. I might just have to keep my B750 at that price. I really like it, but I was curious how the XBR9 would fare for me. I do like the matte screen better.

I got an XBR9 less than a month ago and I love it! When I saw this deal, I went to my local Best Buy and they matched the price and gave me the free htib and bluray player with it.

In my experience, Sony is synonymous with great quality. My parents have two Triniton sets that are at least 20 years old and they still work.

Also, I went with Sony for the matte screen since I mostly watch TVs during Saturday and Sunday afternoons. I would advice trying both or at least ask them to let you play with it at the store. In my best buy store, I had the sales guys connecting a bluray player to each TV I was interested in and ask for the remote.

[werewuf]

Originally Posted by Systemlord

A few years ago that might have been true, but things have change since that time! If I remember correctly Sony used to dominate in any size LCDs, the last few years Samsung is ranked way above Sony LCDs. Sony has the worst motion processing technology that makes things even worse, like Toshiba. Samsung's lastest offerings of their 240Hz AMP actually works to eliminate Judder and motion blurr. Having Judder Reduction down to 3-4 actually allows things to stay fluid and film like without looking like video.



http://hometheatermag.com/flat-panel...xbr9_lcd_hdtv/

Quoted by Home Theater Magazine on the XBR9 Sony KDL-52XBR9 LCD HDTV. Sony has slipped down a muddy hill, but not their prices. If Sony is the best LCD producer out there, then how do you explain the lower black levels than most conventional LCDs?

When they said lower, they meant blacker, as in a good thing......