will this work?

[Dieselboy]

I was intending to do full range...Is it true that putting the amp in 'bi-amp mode' will spilt the signal into a high and low range for each pair of wires? Big Daddy said that it should work, but I may encounter some wave osilation/cancellation problems though- hmmmm. Since it'd be something estenially 'free' to do I'm tempted to try when I get a new set of rear surrounds to replace what would then be used for this experiment.

[Dieselboy]

Jomari, when you spoke of your water filled room analagy you said throwing two different sized stones....these speakers (all four) are they exact same bookshelf speaker, same size, same drivers, make, part #, etc.... does that change your opinion any?

[Zman2k2]

Yes, the receiver will split the signal to highs and lows.

As for getting wave cancellation, I can see that happening easily. Having two speakers playing the same thing in the same direction, on the same plane, you will for sure have an effect where the sound from one will cancel the sound from another, causing a "dead spot" in the sound output. If you're really interested, and since you mention that it is "free", give it a shot.

[kareface]

Originally Posted by forsberg21

Yeah, to go full range, I think you need something that has the Front Highs, like the newer Onkyo's......

No, the front highs will output a different range then what you're looking for because pl2z will matrix the ambiance sound to those speakers. Your best bet is to pick up a second receiver and really bi-amp them. Either way tho it's not a great ideal.

[Travis]

I'm not sure, it may be a moot point because you already have an AVR. I just got a Marantz SR6004 and it has binding posts for Front Heights. I had never heard of this before. They are for Dolby PLIIz. Been so rapped up in getting DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD I never had my ears open to this. I'll probably stick with 5.1. But a 9.1 setup would be cool.

[jomari]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

Jomari, when you spoke of your water filled room analagy you said throwing two different sized stones....these speakers (all four) are they exact same bookshelf speaker, same size, same drivers, make, part #, etc.... does that change your opinion any?

it doesnt change my stand on them. you've said it yourself, you're actually using the same two speakers, just bi-wiring them, am i correct?

to clarify, are you biamping or biwiring? there is a difference, and as big daddy and i have mentioned in this sticky...

i think you also answered your question yourself, what would be the point of it then, considering they are identically the same speaker.

lets use a concrete example here,

if ever,
you can get two Klipsch RB-61's,
bi-wire them,
then connect one wire towards one RB-61 for the higher frequency,
then another for the other RB-61 for its lower end,

er..

personally, i think adjusting the rears to 'reduce' the directivity of the sound would be your better option.

Feel free to give it a shot, then let us know your results.

[CasualKiller]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

I was intending to do full range...Is it true that putting the amp in 'bi-amp mode' will spilt the signal into a high and low range for each pair of wires? Big Daddy said that it should work, but I may encounter some wave osilation/cancellation problems though- hmmmm. Since it'd be something estenially 'free' to do I'm tempted to try when I get a new set of rear surrounds to replace what would then be used for this experiment.

Almost all receivers that bi-amp output the same L/R signal, the High/Low split happens at your speakers crossover not the receiver.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

I was intending to do full range...Is it true that putting the amp in 'bi-amp mode' will spilt the signal into a high and low range for each pair of wires? Big Daddy said that it should work, but I may encounter some wave osilation/cancellation problems though- hmmmm. Since it'd be something estenially 'free' to do I'm tempted to try when I get a new set of rear surrounds to replace what would then be used for this experiment.

No, it is not true. The receiver sends full-range signals to each driver. The internal crossover of the speaker splits the signal between the high and low. You can disengage the internal crossover of the speaker and use an external crossover, but then you will have to change your name to crazy Big Daddy.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

No, it is not true. The receiver sends full-range signals to each driver. The internal crossover of the speaker splits the signal between the high and low. You can disengage the internal crossover of the speaker and use an external crossover, but then you will have to change your name to crazy Big Daddy.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

It takes a crazy tweaker to understand another one.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

It takes a crazy tweaker to understand another one.

I tried but got lost somewhere at the beginning .

[Dieselboy]

Ok, I'm hearing conflicting responses as to whether or not it will 'work' (the whole range going to each channel thing), some say it will and most are saying it'll spilt the signal- I'm going to trust Big Daddy on this one since he usually seems to know his sh*t. So, assuming I get the full range going to each of the four speakers (again, 2 front left and 2 front right), and if I stack them directly on top of each other (2 stacked on the left and 2 stacked on the right) the drivers and tweeters should all fire at exactly the same time in exactly the same direction- sorta like a "poor man's set of towers" if you're on the same page as me. Why would they interfere with each other? What's the difference between doing this and using an actual set of towers which have multiple drivers/tweeters in the same housing?

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

Ok, I'm hearing conflicting responses as to whether or not it will 'work' (the whole range going to each channel thing), some say it will and most are saying it'll spilt the signal- I'm going to trust Big Daddy on this one since he usually seems to know his sh*t. So, assuming I get the full range going to each of the four speakers (again, 2 front left and 2 front right), and if I stack them directly on top of each other (2 stacked on the left and 2 stacked on the right) the drivers and tweeters should all fire at exactly the same time in exactly the same direction- sorta like a "poor man's set of towers" if you're on the same page as me. Why would they interfere with each other? What's the difference between doing this and using an actual set of towers which have multiple drivers/tweeters in the same housing?

You should trust Big Daddy , This has been A hobby of his for over 30 Years .

[jomari]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

Ok, I'm hearing conflicting responses as to whether or not it will 'work' (the whole range going to each channel thing), some say it will and most are saying it'll spilt the signal- I'm going to trust Big Daddy on this one since he usually seems to know his sh*t. So, assuming I get the full range going to each of the four speakers (again, 2 front left and 2 front right), and if I stack them directly on top of each other (2 stacked on the left and 2 stacked on the right) the drivers and tweeters should all fire at exactly the same time in exactly the same direction- sorta like a "poor man's set of towers" if you're on the same page as me. Why would they interfere with each other? What's the difference between doing this and using an actual set of towers which have multiple drivers/tweeters in the same housing?

clarify first what your doing. are you bi-wiring or bi-amping?

specifically tell us again what your intentions are. what are you trying to set up again?

in regards to a 'poor mans tower', it cant be.

the drivers, the components set in a tower were specifically built to harbor them, and with a predetermined enclosure design.

in this situation, you have two different enclosures, driving different speakers, (if i understand right, half of em), different components (the internal crossovers et al), at the same time.

again, the chopped liver other guy.

[CasualKiller]

He's turning on the bi-amp and running 2 pairs of speakers.

[Dieselboy]

Originally Posted by CasualKiller

He's turning on the bi-amp and running 2 pairs of speakers.

Exactly! It's surprising difficult to convey what I'm thinking of doing here!

So with that said, again, why does it matter if the speakers are in different enclousers as to it having any kind of wave interference issuses vs. a true tower type speaker? 2 drivers and 2 tweeters firing from the same location and same signal as a true tower should yeild similar results shouldn't it?

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

Exactly! It's surprising difficult to convey what I'm thinking of doing here!

So with that said, again, why does it matter if the speakers are in different enclousers as to it having any kind of wave interference issuses vs. a true tower type speaker? 2 drivers and 2 tweeters firing from the same location and same signal as a true tower should yeild similar results shouldn't it?

Because the drivers in the two speakers receive exactly the same signals and there can be constructive and destructive interference.

Animation courtesy of Dr. Dan Russell, Kettering University

With one tower speaker, the crossover feeds different signals to each driver and there is a much smaller chance of wave interference.

[Dieselboy]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Because the drivers in the two speakers receive exactly the same signals and there can be constructive and destructive interference.

Animation courtesy of Dr. Dan Russell, Kettering University

With one tower speaker, the crossover feeds different signals to each driver and there is a much smaller chance of wave interference.

Ah to hell with it! I'm just going to try it anyways- I mean what do I have to loose right? If it sounds worse then I'll just undo it, I really have no place to go but 'up' from here on the audio experiment right!

[jomari]

by all means. im sure there is nothing to lose and experience to gain.