HD DVD fans buying Blu-ray players?

[haushausman]

I'll buy a HD-DVD player when its on clearance for 50 bucks and movies are 5. So sometime early 2008....

[E-Dogg]

Are you honestly that surprised? They are starting to see the light. One of my co-workers and I have a friendly rivalry since he is an avid HD-Dvd supporter, but is now thinking of switching sides lol. I showed him the way and now is he starting to realize.

[w_tanoto]

I'm a BD fans who plans to buy HD DVD add on for XBOX, and use it on my laptop. Quite an opposite. But I'll wait till BD is the clear victor, then the drive's price will go down freefalling.

[ericede]

I have a HD-DVD co-worker who used to love to dig at Blu-Ray. "You can get that movie on Blu-Ray but the features are better on HD-DVD." Lately he has become very silent after the release of the sales figures for the movie 300. He used to talk all the time about green screen PIP special features and I think like most HD-DVD owners he thought the special features were going to turn the tides.

For me persoanally.. unless it's a good set of outakes I could care less about special features. I've only ever watched the commentary on 2 movies: Goonies and Napoleon Dynamite. I used to think the behind the scenes stuff was cool for Pixar films but now it's like moon landings; The magic is gone.

BD is the future. Imagine an entire season of a TV show on one 200gb 8 layer disc. Capacity is everything these days. HD-DVD just doesn't go far enough.

[phil]

Have both, and I like my Blu Ray PC and player 100x times better TO be honest almost every HD DVD release is like "It's about time, I suppose I'll get this because it's somewhat good" It always always feels like you're settling for something less then what you deserve*** With Blu Ray it's just like there is always something good, you're just really happy overall with it. I mean everything looks good with blu ray, from the blu cases, to the picture, to the movie selection list. I mean reading through these forums alot of people are upset that they can't get Universal but you can really count the films that you want on your own hand. On the other side of the field (IF you were only an HD DVD user) You'd be drooling and counting the number of films you want on like 10 hands! lol.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by haushausman

I'll buy a HD-DVD player when its on clearance for 50 bucks and movies are 5. So sometime early 2008....

What would be the point? By that stage, everything available on HD DVD will be (or become) available on Blu-ray.

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by ericede

I have a HD-DVD co-worker who used to love to dig at Blu-Ray. "You can get that movie on Blu-Ray but the features are better on HD-DVD." Lately he has become very silent after the release of the sales figures for the movie 300. He used to talk all the time about green screen PIP special features and I think like most HD-DVD owners he thought the special features were going to turn the tides.

For me persoanally.. unless it's a good set of outakes I could care less about special features. I've only ever watched the commentary on 2 movies: Goonies and Napoleon Dynamite. I used to think the behind the scenes stuff was cool for Pixar films but now it's like moon landings; The magic is gone.

BD is the future. Imagine an entire season of a TV show on one 200gb 8 layer disc. Capacity is everything these days. HD-DVD just doesn't go far enough.

A lot of HD DVD supporter are now quiet. I did a search on google on HD DVD and Blu-ray. Almost none arguing about BD.

The XBOX forum, which mostly supporter of HD DVD, some of them apparently recognise that BD is superior, while some of them are in denial (i.e. most of my movies come from universal, and paramount, so I don't care about BD. BD just have PoTC, and spidey)....
Sign of losing.

[peter99]

Why do the HD-DVD fans buy Blu-ray players? I think´s its because they have seen that Blu-ray its better.

[phil]

Originally Posted by w_tanoto

A lot of HD DVD supporter are now quiet. I did a search on google on HD DVD and Blu-ray. Almost none arguing about BD.

The XBOX forum, which mostly supporter of HD DVD, some of them apparently recognise that BD is superior, while some of them are in denial (i.e. most of my movies come from universal, and paramount, so I don't care about BD. BD just have PoTC, and spidey)....
Sign of losing.

Those xbox forums are loaded with a bunch of kids though, you can't really have an argument go anywhere with a child.

[SNAP]

That long??

Originally Posted by haushausman

I'll buy a HD-DVD player when its on clearance for 50 bucks and movies are 5. So sometime early 2008....

[grognard66]

Originally Posted by ericede

I have a HD-DVD co-worker who used to love to dig at Blu-Ray. "You can get that movie on Blu-Ray but the features are better on HD-DVD." Lately he has become very silent after the release of the sales figures for the movie 300. He used to talk all the time about green screen PIP special features and I think like most HD-DVD owners he thought the special features were going to turn the tides.

For me persoanally.. unless it's a good set of outakes I could care less about special features. I've only ever watched the commentary on 2 movies: Goonies and Napoleon Dynamite. I used to think the behind the scenes stuff was cool for Pixar films but now it's like moon landings; The magic is gone.

BD is the future. Imagine an entire season of a TV show on one 200gb 8 layer disc. Capacity is everything these days. HD-DVD just doesn't go far enough.

The only problem with your argument is that Sony will NEVER take advantage of the space because they want to justify charging you more by having more discs/releases. Look at the Pirates discs as evidence - there's no technical reason both movies couldn't be on one Blu-Ray disc (with the features) at $30.

I don't understand the logic of not wanting more features either. I have both formats and always get the HD-DVD version when it's on both (like 300) because it either costs the same or marginally more on HD-DVD but with better features. What's the point of all that space on the disc if it's not being used? Why would anyone be happy paying the same to get less??? They both look and sound great so features are the only distinguishing factor.

[phil]

I think this is funny. http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Xbox-3...QQcmdZViewItem

look at the # of bids and the Price. All for Black, LOL.

[Cyorg]

I'm just glad that I made the right decision the first time.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by grognard66

Look at the Pirates discs as evidence - there's no technical reason both movies couldn't be on one Blu-Ray disc (with the features) at $30.

Yes there is: if both Pirates movies were on one disc, the PQ and AQ would be the shits, and in that case one might as well just buy the DVD version.

I thought that "PQ & AQ don't matter" was an HD DVD supporter's point of view (why else would they advocate low bit-rate encodes?)... ;-)

[WickyWoo]

It just seems to me that in addition to the "Black Bars" brigade, we've generated a whole ton of the "one disc" brigade too lazy to spend 15 seconds changing a disc every 2-4 hours

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by grognard66

The only problem with your argument is that Sony will NEVER take advantage of the space because they want to justify charging you more by having more discs/releases. Look at the Pirates discs as evidence - there's no technical reason both movies couldn't be on one Blu-Ray disc (with the features) at $30.

Check the facts before you start spewing crap.

The two movies (not including any of the other things included) are each over 33GB with very good PQ. IIRC the total data on each disk is approximately 45GB. How is that *NOT* taking advantage of the space available.

The only way to get both movies and "features" on one Blu-ray disk is to make significant sacrifices to the PQ and AQ. -- or are you one of those mislead individuals that bought into the M$ line that you can get transparent transfers at 9 Mbps?

[Shadowself]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

It just seems to me that in addition to the "Black Bars" brigade, we've generated a whole ton of the "one disc" brigade too lazy to spend 15 seconds changing a disc every 2-4 hours

Depends upon how you mean by that...

I certainly don't want fantastic PQ and AQ if that means for a single feature film -- with no intermission in the theatrical version -- will be spread over two disks. This is one of the core reasons why I am a strong Blu-ray supporter. The 66% additional space makes such a situation much less likely. In fact, I can't think of a single film at the moment other than pieces of the War & Peace saga that won't reasonably fit on a single Blu-ray disk if you put ONLY the film on the first disk and all that other junk on a second disk.

If, as I suspect, you are talking about several movies in a series being spread over several disks, one for each movie, and people complaining that the entire series should be on one disk ... then I agree with you. They are being extremely foolish.

Taken to the extreme this would mean putting all of the Bond films on a single disk. To do that the quality might end up being no better than VHS (and not even S-VHS at that). Pure lunacy.

[WickyWoo]

I certainly don't want fantastic PQ and AQ if that means for a single feature film -- with no intermission in the theatrical version -- will be spread over two disks. This is one of the core reasons why I am a strong Blu-ray supporter. The 66% additional space makes such a situation much less likely. In fact, I can't think of a single film at the moment other than pieces of the War & Peace saga that won't reasonably fit on a single Blu-ray disk if you put ONLY the film on the first disk and all that other junk on a second disk

Ben-Hur, Gone with the Wind, Napoleon, Gods and Generals (which is the only film in recent memory with an intermission)

While it's true they all have an intermission. Why pack it in when you can get fantastic quality? Is it really that big of a deal?

There was a thread a few weeks back with a guy screaming that he wanted whole seasons of a TV show on 1 disc

[richteer]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

It just seems to me that in addition to the "Black Bars" brigade, we've generated a whole ton of the "one disc" brigade too lazy to spend 15 seconds changing a disc every 2-4 hours

I must admit, I'd be prepared to make a *small* sacrifice of PQ and AQ to get all of a long movie onto one BD50 disc. Swapping the feature discs in LOTR EE, for example, is a PITA [though it does provide an excellent excuse for a comfort break. :-)] Any extras can go on other discs.

[grognard66]

Originally Posted by Shadowself

Check the facts before you start spewing crap.

The two movies (not including any of the other things included) are each over 33GB with very good PQ. IIRC the total data on each disk is approximately 45GB. How is that *NOT* taking advantage of the space available.

The only way to get both movies and "features" on one Blu-ray disk is to make significant sacrifices to the PQ and AQ. -- or are you one of those mislead individuals that bought into the M$ line that you can get transparent transfers at 9 Mbps?

You might want to consider all the facts yourself, Shadowself. The only reason those movies need 33Gig is because Sony, oddly enough, chose a compression codec that's 10-years old. You shouldn't have to sacrifice picture or audio quality in exchange for space when you have a better compression technology to rely on.