A Tale of Two Sisters

[Aardvark_DK]

The sharpening is unfortunate but at least it's HD, unlike the British blu-ray - I still regret paying for that piece of crap.

[nitin]

Will check my copy again today for the wobble.

[Anamnesis]

Originally Posted by rewak

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...48#post8286048 I don't know what podcast it was though, but that's where we found out it'll be the same transfer.

It was on the The Horror Happens Radio Show and was confirmed on Palisades Tartan Facebook page.

[OrlandoEastwood]

Originally Posted by nitin

are you referring to the 'gate wobble' you describe above? Is that the same as telecine wobble (ie I should be seeing a jitter in the frame at edit points)?

I noted this in my review on the UK Blu-ray. In my review, I noted it was filmed in VistaVision which is an outdated film stock. The frame is approx 1.5:1. It's processed differently from regular film. In a way, it's telecine wobble, but, the opposite way.

[PGW]

VistaVision isn't a film stock, it's an alternative format that uses 35mm film but prints the image sideways. Because of the high resolution, it's still occasionally used for special effects shots (such as the beginning of "The Dark Knight").

Where did you get the information that "A Tale of Two Sisters" was filmed in VistaVision? The 35mm film clip included with the LE DVD shows a standard 35mm image.

[Anamnesis]

Originally Posted by PGW

Where did you get the information that "A Tale of Two Sisters" was filmed in VistaVision? The 35mm film clip included with the LE DVD shows a standard 35mm image.

IMDB has it listed as VistaVision under the technical specs for the film.

[Nisei]

Originally Posted by PGW

Where did you get the information that "A Tale of Two Sisters" was filmed in VistaVision? The 35mm film clip included with the LE DVD shows a standard 35mm image.

You don't think they gave you a piece of the original film material do you?
That's a piece of one of the many theater copies. Regular theaters wouldn't be able to project VistaVision material.

[PGW]

The film clip in the LE is certainly from an actual theater print, as you say, so they DID give us a "piece of the original film material."

I presume what you're saying is that "A Tale of Two Sisters" was filmed in VistaVision, then knocked down to standard 35mm for projection in Korean theaters... well – okay. But if Korean theaters can't handle VistaVision (and it's a good bet they can't) why film it in that format? What's the point?

Can any verification of ToTS being filmed in VistaVision be found other than the notoriously unreliable imdb?

[Anamnesis]

Originally Posted by PGW

Can any verification of ToTS being filmed in VistaVision be found other than the notoriously unreliable imdb?

It is confirmed in the credits of the film:

[PGW]

Nice catch! But I'm still confused - if theaters in Korea aren't equipped for VistaVision, what would be the point in filming it in that format?

[nitin]

ok had another look, I personally dont find the wobbly that noticeable unless you are looking for it.

[Nisei]

Originally Posted by PGW

The film clip in the LE is certainly from an actual theater print, as you say, so they DID give us a "piece of the original film material."
I presume what you're saying is that "A Tale of Two Sisters" was filmed in VistaVision, then knocked down to standard 35mm for projection in Korean theaters... well – okay. But if Korean theaters can't handle VistaVision (and it's a good bet they can't) why film it in that format? What's the point?

What I meant is, you didn't get a piece of film that came from the camera.
The larger format gives the director more freedom in post processing.
Some movies are filmed in various formats but in the end it's all coming together on a standard 35mm film.

[Anamnesis]

Originally Posted by PGW

Nice catch! But I'm still confused - if theaters in Korea aren't equipped for VistaVision, what would be the point in filming it in that format?

The Master negative is filmed in VistaVision which is a type of camera film stock and provides greater flexibility for the director when editing and adding visual effects. Cinema prints are basically mass produced on standard 35mm print stock, which is graded differently to camera stock. Most Blu-ray discs are scans from the master negative or at the very least an interpositive print (These are the final prints that are used to create cinema prints), so to see errors or defects such as the ones present in A Tale of Two Sisters suggest they did not use the camera negative (or if they did, that it has sustained damage), however it has none of the tell tale signs of a cinema print leading me to believe it is most likely to be an interpositive.

[Anamnesis]

Originally Posted by nitin

ok had another look, I personally dont find the wobbly that noticeable unless you are looking for it.

Just out of curiosity... what size screen are you viewing on?

[nitin]

Originally Posted by Anamnesis

Just out of curiosity... what size screen are you viewing on?

60" plasma (Oppo BD player).

Is there any particular sequence that you find it really bothersome on?

[Nisei]

Originally Posted by Anamnesis

Most Blu-ray discs are scans from the master negative or at the very least an interpositive print (These are the final prints that are used to create cinema prints), so to see errors or defects such as the ones present in A Tale of Two Sisters suggest they did not use the camera negative (or if they did, that it has sustained damage), however it has none of the tell tale signs of a cinema print leading me to believe it is most likely to be an interpositive.

I can hardly believe some discs are direct scans from the camera film. That would mean all framing, editing and effects would have to be redone.

[Anamnesis]

Originally Posted by Nisei

I can hardly believe some discs are direct scans from the camera film. That would mean all framing, editing and effects would have to be redone.

Not sure what gives you that impression? The camera negatives are what they actually edit to make the film... so all framing etc would be present. Nowadays of course a lot of post production is done via computer, but there are many films where that is not the case.

Jaws, Dial M for Murder and Doctor Zhivago are all struck from camera negatives and then restored using computer software!

[Nisei]

Originally Posted by Anamnesis

Not sure what gives you that impression? The camera negatives are what they actually edit to make the film...

How can you edit a negative?
Imagine sitting behind one of those old cutting tables and seeing a negative image on the projection screen. The first thing they do is make a positive from the original negative and edit that. It's called a workprint.

[edit] Sorry, just looked into this and it seems when the workprint was approved, they made the same edits to the original negatives. [/edit]

[tenebre6]

so should i spring for the Korean version or wait for the US?

[Nisei]

The Korean disc will probably be available for some time and the advantage the US version will have is subtitles for the extras (assuming they're going to put these on as well). So if you rather have the US release then you might as well wait a little longer.