Blu-ray players sold during Black Friday?

[bluperch]

Yeah, you never hear standalone numbers. I'm guessing that Sony is purposely keeping those numbers quiet and only touting the PS3 as, obviously, it's a far more impressive number.

[Blubaru]

While every PS3 is a Blu-ray player you still have to remember that only about 40% or so of the PS3 are used for playing Blu-ray movies. A good portion of people buying the PS3 still don't know what Blu-ray is or that the PS3 even has Blu-ray.

People forget to take that into account all of the time. So if they sold 300,000 on Black Friday, 120,000 of those would be used for viewing Blu-ray movies. That would essentially tie what they HD-Dud camp sold in standalones and add ons.

That's why sony needs to do everything that they can to get people to understand what they PS3 is and does.

[lokus]

What I don't understand are the recent TV ads that Sony made for the PS3 with the catch phrase at the end "Starting at $399". I thought they were going to be showcasing PS3's movie playing ability. In some of the ads I have seen them show Spiderman 3 but only for a few seconds. I'm hoping this isn't their attempt at trying to educate average consumers that the PS3 plays movies. They should have just come out and said the PS3 plays movies during some of these TV ads. Just my opinion...

[blu2]

Originally Posted by Ispoke

Let’s get the fact’s down.

At the beginning of this month stand alone HD DVD sales were at about 420,000, does not include Xbox add on. Toshiba are hoping to achieve 500,000 by end of this month. How many Xbox add on sold to date, let’s say 190,000 ( based on 150,000 units to June). Total sales 610,000 units.

So..........wow they have managed to sell another 140,000 odd ( and that's being generous probably) stand alone and Xbox add on in the last month, including the supposedly 90,000 fire sale. Please don’t make me laugh, can’t give the bloody things away

Now someone please tell me how many PS3’s only have been sold in the last month

Let's suppose there were 40K Blu Ray standalones sold in the last month (that may be generous, not sure).

That means Sony would have needed to sell about 500K PS3s over the same period to keep pace, based on the traditionally assumed "20%" equivalence factor.

Sounds possible, but could be a stretch.

[Ispoke]

Hang on a minute Blu2......... We are talking hardware sales here not attach rates right?

So please don't give me that crap

[galz]

http://www.tvpredictions.com/hddvd112707.htm

This articles implies sold to date NOT sold during one weekend.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by Blubaru

While every PS3 is a Blu-ray player you still have to remember that only about 40% or so of the PS3 are used for playing Blu-ray movies. A good portion of people buying the PS3 still don't know what Blu-ray is or that the PS3 even has Blu-ray.

People forget to take that into account all of the time. So if they sold 300,000 on Black Friday, 120,000 of those would be used for viewing Blu-ray movies. That would essentially tie what they HD-Dud camp sold in standalones and add ons.

That's why sony needs to do everything that they can to get people to understand what they PS3 is and does.

If the person buying the PS3 is a gamer you can be sure that he/she knows that the PS3 games are on Blu Ray and that it can play Blu Ray movies. I do except though that if a parent is buying little Jimmy a PS3 for Christmas that they may not know what the PS3 is capable of.

This whole arguement by Toshiba and MS has been a well run FUD campaign to belittle the impact that the PS3 could have on this format war.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Go Blu

During the weekend I did see ALLOT of people buying HD-DUD players with movies.

BUT

I also saw lots of 40gb PS3's moving as well.
The aisle stacks at 2 different Best Buys were down to 1/3 by Sunday.
Although the large majority seemed to be buying it for kids/games.

This is probably true, but I'd really like to know exactly how you ascertained what they "seemed to be buying it for". Were they wearing t-shirts that gave reasons for their PS3 purchases or did they have tattoos?

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

The HD DVD people do have a fair point in that if you buy an xbox add on HD DVD drive, you are buying it specifically to play HD DVDs, and it is not unreasonable to therefore combine those figures with standalones as "dedicated players".

The same is not true of people buying a PS3, so it is hard to come up with a comparable figure for Blu-ray player ownership, but the "20%" rule of thumb is not a bad one, and by that measure, as hollywoodinhighdef said, there are effectively far more dedicated Blu-ray players than HD DVD players out there.

You are correct in part A that it is somewhat reasonable for them to include the add-ons. I don't have a big problem with that. I do have a problem with part B. I always have a problem with Part B when people try to determine the number of PS3 used for movies.

There are 2 ways that peopel should look at it:

First, knowing the exact number of dedicated players doesn't really matter because it is already embedded in the software sales data that we see every week. We might not know the exact numbers of blu-ray players used to play movies but we sure as hell know that there MUST be way more of them than HD-DVD players.

The second way, if you must know the # of PS3 used to play movies, is simple. Assume the attach rates for HD-DVD and BD are the same because there is no fundamental reason why one set of movie collectors would be very different from the other. They probably behanve anout the same. It's like arguing whether Chysler owners like to drive more than Ford owners... why would they differ at all? OK, now that you can use the HD-DVD attach rate as a proxy, divide the total software sales by the attach rate to determine total # of blu-ray players out there... now subtract the standalones and you have now backed into the approximate number of PS# used as BD players.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by lokus

What I don't understand are the recent TV ads that Sony made for the PS3 with the catch phrase at the end "Starting at $399". I thought they were going to be showcasing PS3's movie playing ability. In some of the ads I have seen them show Spiderman 3 but only for a few seconds. I'm hoping this isn't their attempt at trying to educate average consumers that the PS3 plays movies. They should have just come out and said the PS3 plays movies during some of these TV ads. Just my opinion...

This is funny because it's so true. Warning, an anecdote is forthcoming....

I was with my friend at Best Buy yesterday and I gave him the rundown on the PS3 emphasizing that it had an excellent BD players built-in. Then I showed him the cost of the standalones. Also gave him the rundown on the cost of the X-Box 360 w/o any HD-DVD player. he immediately said, "Wait a minute... Sony isn't marketing this thing correctly!"

Seems obvious doesn't it?

[Go Blu]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

This is probably true, but I'd really like to know exactly how you ascertained what they "seemed to be buying it for". Were they wearing t-shirts that gave reasons for their PS3 purchases or did they have tattoos?

Allot of parents buying for their kids who were with them, and buying games geared towards the younger crowd. That and speaking with a good number of them. Some have heard of Blu-ray many don't know much about it.

While not an exact science the truth of the matter is that no matter how badly any of us here would love to believe the masses will be buying into blu via their PS3 that is just not the case. The attach numbers to date support it and likewise the reality of what we are seeing at retail.

The 40gb and price cuts will get us up to 25-30%.
I wish it were higher too.

[Blubaru]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

If the person buying the PS3 is a gamer you can be sure that he/she knows that the PS3 games are on Blu Ray and that it can play Blu Ray movies. I do except though that if a parent is buying little Jimmy a PS3 for Christmas that they may not know what the PS3 is capable of.

This whole arguement by Toshiba and MS has been a well run FUD campaign to belittle the impact that the PS3 could have on this format war.

Nope. Study's and polls have show that the majority of people buying the PS3's don't even know that it has Blu-ray. You may have to search but there are numerous threads in the gaming section about this.

You will see this if run the numbers. How else could you explain the 2:1 movie sales when there is 5:1 players?

[Go Blu]

Originally Posted by Blubaru

Nope. Study's and polls have show that the majority of people buying the PS3's don't even know that it has Blu-ray. You may have to search but there are numerous threads in the gaming section about this.

You will see this if run the numbers. How else could you explain the 2:1 movie sales when there is 5:1 players?

My thoughts exactly, you don't need to see someone wearing a t-shirt or tatoo to figure this out. Even if you do an informal in-store pole you will net the same results.

[aphex]

a lot of ps3 users do know about the bluray player, but many don't really care. I'm betting a lot of people don't have an hdtv or think that it's worth double the price for a movie(not entirely true, but it's what best buy, etc. indicates)

hopefully a lot of thehdtv buyers were ps3 owners and can finally see the difference between bd and dvd.

[JAGUAR1977]

Is it possible to read HD-DVD PR without the need to do your own research to discover the facts?

[Blubaru]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

Is it possible to read HD-DVD PR without the need to do your own research to discover the facts?

No. Everything HD-DVD pr needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

[railven]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

This is funny because it's so true. Warning, an anecdote is forthcoming....

I was with my friend at Best Buy yesterday and I gave him the rundown on the PS3 emphasizing that it had an excellent BD players built-in. Then I showed him the cost of the standalones. Also gave him the rundown on the cost of the X-Box 360 w/o any HD-DVD player. he immediately said, "Wait a minute... Sony isn't marketing this thing correctly!"

Seems obvious doesn't it?

You have to factor in now how the BD-Movies are advertising "Playstation 3" as a capable Blu-Ray Player.

There are a handful of new PS3 ads, the longest one has a clip of all the shorter ads, it has a few second clip of Spider-Man3, one of the short cut ones is just Spider-Man 3 playing (no game references at all.)

Sony is starting to get the wheel going on PS3 ads, bout f'in time! Prior to these new ones last ones I saw involved crying babies and exploding rubix cubes.

[railven]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

Is it possible to read HD-DVD PR without the need to do your own research to discover the facts?

Personally Pro-HD/BD, I prefer to do my own fact checking.

I've come to distrust the media...to much fact spinning, even from sources that claim to be neutral.

[xwingsct]

Originally Posted by Go Blu

What is really encouraging is that people are buying HDTV's.
If you were anywhere near BB last weekend you know what I mean.

Although the large majority of homes are not using their PS3's as a Blu Player YET. It is there ready and waiting to be used as one, if/when they buy the TV or when they learn about the benefits of buying into HDM. After this holiday season I would say 25-30% rate would be more realistic.

I'm not into gaming but my brother and newphew are. So I picked up PS3 at Target. I also have couple movies from Netflix to try it out. I just totally fell in love with the picture. The PS3 is at my parents house and I just hate to keep unplugging it and bring it to my place to watch movies on it. Last week I stopped by Bjs and they have the player BDP-S301 for $279 I bought one without hesitation (Cheapest deal I found so far anywhere). Now I just left PS3 at my parents house. Now I will end up with 10 free movies which half of them I don't really care for. I wish we could choose any movies we want intead of the pre-selected ones. I think PS3 is an exellent player. It boots up faster and loading the movie much faster than the player also.

[Go Blu]

Originally Posted by xwingsct

I'm not into gaming but my brother and newphew are. So I picked up PS3 at Target. I also have couple movies from Netflix to try it out. I just totally fell in love with the picture. The PS3 is at my parents house and I just hate to keep unplugging it and bring it to my place to watch movies on it. Last week I stopped by Bjs and they have the player BDP-S301 for $279 I bought one without hesitation (Cheapest deal I found so far anywhere). Now I just left PS3 at my parents house. Now I will end up with 10 free movies which half of them I don't really care for. I would we could choose any movies we want intead of the pre-selected ones.

I just picked a 301 too!
Same thing $279 at BJ's....I'm totally glad I jumped on that deal.