Blackhat (2015)

[StingingVelvet]

Would definitely be odd to see a Mann movie with poor shootouts.

[Marsupial Werewolf]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Would definitely be odd to see a Mann movie with poor shootouts.

It would. But Blackhat's are strong.

[trip66]

I don't know what that other person is saying, but the shootouts were amazing! The tunnel/container yard shootout had an amazing sound design. It had the same sound as the Heat shootout but echoing though a tunnel!

The end shootout at the parade was really intense, just like in Heat and Collateral, your hoping all the innocent bystanders get out of the way.

I saw the movie last night and have no idea why this took such a bashing from the critics. I'm a Mann fan and did enjoy Miami Vice and Public Enemies, but Blackhat is clearly better than the those to films. Mann, as usual, references several elements and themes from basically all his previous films (except The Keep). i even recognized a certain line that was said in The Jericho Mile.

Its really a cool, slow-burn, investigative procedural that constantly builds to the action. Its lacking in the overall character development, but there are lots of details about how Hathaway got to where he is in a restaurant scene pretty much like in Thief. The romance is to quick and tacked on I think, but that's the only fault I found with the film.

Cinematography was much better that Public Enemies (I did like the look though) and Miami Vice (I like the look as well, but some of the lenses used in Vice where jarring). Much of the character scenes had a much more film-like look, while all of the city shots are pretty much just as lively as all my favorite shots from Collateral and Miami Vice. Beautiful looking movie.

I also thought the whole third act was really cool:

[Show spoiler]the fact that the last any government agency knew, the trail went to Jakarta. But, after the train station shootout, everybody that knows anything got killed. From that point Hathaway and Lien were basically rouge, were the only ones to find out about the impending disaster, stopped it, and no government would know, only to (probably) consider them the fugitives with all the money! Kinda ambiguous to what they will do, much like Frank in Thief.

I wanna see it again before it leaves theaters to pick up all the little nuances. As usual, with Mann, there's actually a lot going on within a scene.

Anyway, I can keep going on, but I gotta stop writing, I loved the movie. This is a day 1 pickup. Too bad no one went to see it. Maybe Mann's film should just be limited release films at art house theaters rather than the blockbuster factories.

[Marsupial Werewolf]

^ Really well said.

[Blu_Monster]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Would definitely be odd to see a Mann movie with poor shootouts.

The shootouts in Hong Kong are the best Mann has done since the Collateral club shootout with sound comparable to HEAT. There's still no other filmmaker that films shootouts like Mann.

[shawnbrand]

Loved This Movie have pre-ordered this Blu-Ray with the other 700 BD movies I own and my 3,500 regular DVD's

[IroquoisPliskin]

this will probably get a directors cut on bluray. im hoping its on release date. skipped this in theatres since i am a big michael mann fan.

[tylergfoster]

Originally Posted by IroquoisPliskin

this will probably get a directors cut on bluray. im hoping its on release date. skipped this in theatres since i am a big michael mann fan.

Movie was a huge financial failure, so I wouldn't necessarily expect much for the Blu-ray release.

[bowlingbilly10]

Originally Posted by tylergfoster

Movie was a huge financial failure, so I wouldn't necessarily expect much for the Blu-ray release.

Universal should have picked this as a February or a March release instead. They should have known it was going to get destroyed by American sniper.

[Rinzler]

It was out of my theater so fast but I'm glad I was able to see it on a big screen. I look forward to revisiting it on Blu-ray, and since the film doesn't seem to be killing at the box office, hopefully we'll get it soon!

[masterrusell]

Originally Posted by tylergfoster

Movie was a huge financial failure, so I wouldn't necessarily expect much for the Blu-ray release.

Miami Vice (also from Universal) was a failure at the box office too and the blu ray edition was very decent.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by masterrusell

Miami Vice (also from Universal) was a failure at the box office too and the blu ray edition was very decent.

Miami Vice was NOT a failure at the box office. It made over $30 million over its budget. Why people keep saying it was a bomb I have no idea. It was not.

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Miami Vice was NOT a failure at the box office. It made over $30 million over its budget. Why people keep saying it was a bomb I have no idea. It was not.

Miami Vice is probably still in the red, but like you said it did make a little over it's production budget. Can't imagine Blackhat will even come close to doing that (and it cost 70 million).

[bowlingbilly10]

I saw this last week before we got rid of it and I found it was quite boring and it seemed pretty slow to me.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Miami Vice was NOT a failure at the box office. It made over $30 million over its budget. Why people keep saying it was a bomb I have no idea. It was not.

It's also the most underrated of all his films, one that gets better with time and each subsequent viewing.

[masterrusell]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Miami Vice was NOT a failure at the box office. It made over $30 million over its budget. Why people keep saying it was a bomb I have no idea. It was not.

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

Miami Vice is probably still in the red, but like you said it did make a little over it's production budget. Can't imagine Blackhat will even come close to doing that (and it cost 70 million).

Miami Vice maded $63,4 millions at the box office over an official budget of $135 millions.

Overseas, it made $100 million for a worldwide total of $163.

Add reshoots and all the production problems it had because of shooting on location and don´t forget the marketing and distribution costs.

And the studio only gets half of that amount. Ok, then you have DV, BD and TV rights, but as of today, Miami Vice might be still in the red... or just even.

Well, I just checked the-numbers.com and Miami Vice got $37,7 millions from domestic video sales.

It´s likely to be still on the red.

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Mia...ab=video-sales

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=miamivice.htm

And it still got a decent edition on Blu Ray.

[StingingVelvet]

The standard for "failure" is making less in the theater than the official budget. Miami Vice is not a failure, even if you want to say it wasn't a success either. Once you factor in behind-the-scenes deals and home video I would guess it's been profitable for a while now.

Either way, semantics aside, it's not anywhere near a failure like Blackhat is so I don't see a point in comparing them.

[masterrusell]

That is your standard, not the one that Hollywood has about what it´s a failure or not.

And regarding Blackhat, seems that it will be a big failure at the box office, but we´ll have to wait until it closes worldwide to see how big is (rest assure, it is already a ver big failure in the USA and Canada).

MY point is, given that IMHO Miami Vice bombed at the box office and it still got a decent BD edition, I expect the same for Blackhat.

Besides, worst case scenario would be the lack of supplements, but I think that a solid picture and a good DTS-HD track are guaranteed.

[StingingVelvet]

According to every standard I have ever read a "bomb" is a film that made less than its budget by a wide margin. Blackhat qualifies, Miami Vice does not. I don't really feel like debating semantics beyond that, honestly.

And I would guess the only special feature question depends on Mann's willingness and availability to do a commentary. The rest will be featurettes they probably made during production anyway, like almost every new release.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

The standard for "failure" is making less in the theater than the official budget. Miami Vice is not a failure, even if you want to say it wasn't a success either. Once you factor in behind-the-scenes deals and home video I would guess it's been profitable for a while now.

Either way, semantics aside, it's not anywhere near a failure like Blackhat is so I don't see a point in comparing them.

a movie does not even BREAK EVEN unless it makes about 2.5 it's official budget including marketing.