The Third Man: Limited Collector's Edition

[Tom Monahan]

Will the video be a guaranteed improvement over the OOP Criterion disc?

[ravenus]

Originally Posted by Tom Monahan

Will the video be a guaranteed improvement over the OOP Criterion disc?

There are no guarantees, especially in the wake of SC's 4K scan based release of Purple Noon faring worse than Criterion's 2K scan based encode on account of overzealous digital noise reduction. If in doubt, wait for the reviews.

[nitin]

also Dont Look Now.

[tenia]

Originally Posted by nitin

also Dont Look Now.

And Peeping Tom, despite what some might say. However, it seemed to me that SC succeeds more than they fail, so fingers crossed. It'd be a shame for their sales if they were to do a crappy 4K resto. This type of re-releases only succeeds if you provide lots of additional contents (not the case here) or a clear upgrade.

[nitin]

but there isnt another version of Peeping Tom that beats the SC is there? That's definitely the case with Dont Look Now and Purple Noon.

[tenia]

Yes, we're stuck with the SC release of Peeping Tom.

[Brigg60]

I'm hard of hearing, so that I do need help with subtitles.

Studiocanal's editions of The Third Man are notorious for not being subtitled, so I can't listen to them.

However, the blurb on this site says that the limited collector's edition has subtitles for the hard of hearing (me!! There is a God!!!)

The trouble is that Amazon and all other sites don't say this.

So where did this site get their information and

more importantly

is that information about subtitles correct??

Accurate information on this would be so appreciated!

[malcy30]

Originally Posted by Brigg60

I'm hard of hearing, so that I do need help with subtitles.

Studiocanal's editions of The Third Man are notorious for not being subtitled, so I can't listen to them.

However, the blurb on this site says that the limited collector's edition has subtitles for the hard of hearing (me!! There is a God!!!)

The trouble is that Amazon and all other sites don't say this.

So where did this site get their information and

more importantly

is that information about subtitles correct??

Accurate information on this would be so appreciated!

You will most probably have to wait until reviews are published (which for UK releases is rare and unlikely before release day), or wait until someone actually has a copy. This is probably not going to be until the weekend before release.

[tenia]

UK Studio Canal releases often includes HoH subtitles, but indeed, there's no way to be sure before people having the disc stating what it contains very factually.
Unfortunately, concerning HoH subs, one can never be sure priorhand.

On a more personal side, even if I'm not hard of hearing myself, I do believe it's a shame nothing can be done to systematically provide some. It can be perceived as a form of cultural exclusion and I can't even imagine how many movies are out of reach of hard of hearing people because of the lack of HoH subs.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by tenia

UK Studio Canal releases often includes HoH subtitles, but indeed, there's no way to be sure before people having the disc stating what it contains very factually.
Unfortunately, concerning HoH subs, one can never be sure priorhand.

On a more personal side, even if I'm not hard of hearing myself, I do believe it's a shame nothing can be done to systematically provide some. It can be perceived as a form of cultural exclusion and I can't even imagine how many movies are out of reach of hard of hearing people because of the lack of HoH subs.

Every time English subtitles are mentioned, people only take into account the hard of hearing people.
I want to remind that not only them are benefited by inclusion of English sutitles but people whose English is not a native language too! (like me).
There's a ton of (english speaking) Blurays I want to buy, but I don't because they don't have English subtitles.
Although i understand English as you can see, and I can write, I find it easier to read a subtitle than trying to catch by ear 100% of the dialogue (especially for FX-heavy movies).
Plus if I have to see a movie without subtitles, I would have to have the volume waaay up to hear clearly, so it prevents me from watching a movie eg. after midnight if I want..

[malcy30]

Originally Posted by tenia

UK Studio Canal releases often includes HoH subtitles, but indeed, there's no way to be sure before people having the disc stating what it contains very factually.
Unfortunately, concerning HoH subs, one can never be sure priorhand.

On a more personal side, even if I'm not hard of hearing myself, I do believe it's a shame nothing can be done to systematically provide some. It can be perceived as a form of cultural exclusion and I can't even imagine how many movies are out of reach of hard of hearing people because of the lack of HoH subs.

Originally Posted by filmmusic

Every time English subtitles are mentioned, people only take into account the hard of hearing people.
I want to remind that not only them are benefited by inclusion of English sutitles but people whose English is not a native language too! (like me).
There's a ton of (english speaking) Blurays I want to buy, but I don't because they don't have English subtitles.
Although i understand English as you can see, and I can write, I find it easier to read a subtitle than trying to catch by ear 100% of the dialogue (especially for FX-heavy movies).
Plus if I have to see a movie without subtitles, I would have to have the volume waaay up to hear clearly, so it prevents me from watching a movie eg. after midnight if I want..

I actually find the big studios are the best for supporting English subtitles and also audio description tracks for the visually impaired. Probably because costs are shared across high sales volumes so the per disk cost of providing them is minimal and it will add a few sales.

What frustrates me is the smaller studio releases and particularly looking at Network as they only tend to include subtitles when contractually required to, such as when they licence BBC titles. It is annoying as their releases of old TV and film will appeal to an older demographic for whom subtitles are a great help. The issue is Network say it is too expensive to subtitle especially when doing multi disk TV shows. That is a bit naughty as for the more recent shows subtitle files already exist for broadcast TV so they could take those and synch to the video files on DVD.

[Pecker]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

Every time English subtitles are mentioned, people only take into account the hard of hearing people.
I want to remind that not only them are benefited by inclusion of English sutitles but people whose English is not a native language too! (like me).
There's a ton of (english speaking) Blurays I want to buy, but I don't because they don't have English subtitles.
Although i understand English as you can see, and I can write, I find it easier to read a subtitle than trying to catch by ear 100% of the dialogue (especially for FX-heavy movies).
Plus if I have to see a movie without subtitles, I would have to have the volume waaay up to hear clearly, so it prevents me from watching a movie eg. after midnight if I want..

I teach 11-16 year olds, and can confirm that this is both necessary and helpful.

I always try to leave English subs on when showing a video to class - it really helps with literacy skills.

Steve W

[tenia]

I'm French myself, and while I have a level of English good enough to allow me not to need 100% of the time Eng subs, I like to have the secure option to rely on them if needed (being tired, or facing a movie with thick accents for instance).

But I do believe that there is something morally unacceptable towards HoH people. I can understand UK releases not being practical for non-English customers. I mean, they're not meant for us in the first place ! But I can't understand UK own citizens being left aside from accessing these movies because of the lack of HoH subs.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Brigg60

I'm hard of hearing, so that I do need help with subtitles.

Studiocanal's editions of The Third Man are notorious for not being subtitled, so I can't listen to them.

However, the blurb on this site says that the limited collector's edition has subtitles for the hard of hearing (me!! There is a God!!!)

The trouble is that Amazon and all other sites don't say this.

So where did this site get their information and

more importantly

is that information about subtitles correct??

Accurate information on this would be so appreciated!

Hi Brigg60,

I have a press note. The release will come with optional English, French, and German subtitles.

Pro-B

[fatboyslim142]

Originally Posted by BigNickUK

The Third Man Blu-ray Releases Detailed
Posted May 8, 2015 04:48 PM by Webmaster

Studio CanalStudioCanal has detailed its upcoming Blu-ray releases of the new 4K restoration of Carol Reed's The Third Man, starring Joseph Cotten, Alida Valli, Orson Welles, Trevor Howard, and Bernard Lee. Street date is July 20.

Restoration details: Intermediate film print, 2nd generation of nitrate film (non-existent original negative), scanned in 4K and restored frame by frame in 4K by Deluxe in England. Restoration supervised by StudioCanal.

Synopsis: Classic thriller written by Graham Greene and starring Orson Welles in which a writer sets about investigating the death of a friend in post-World War II Vienna. Holly Martins (Joseph Cotten), a pulp Western writer, arrives in the Austrian capital expecting to take up a job with his old acquaintance, Harry Lime (Welles). When he is informed that Lime died a week previously in a car accident, Martins is intrigued by inconsistencies in the accounts of the death and decides that he can't leave the city without investigating matters further. As a consequence, he finds himself drawn into a web of intrigue and searching for the elusive 'third man' who was at the scene of Lime's death. When the head of the local military police, Major Calloway (Trevor Howard), informs him that Lime was involved in black market drug distribution, the plot thickens even further...

STANDARD EDITION:
Audio Commentary
Famous Fan Featurette
Restoring the Third Man
Interview & Zither Performance by Cornelia Mayer
Guardian Interview Cotten (audio)
Guardian Interview Greene (audio)
Joseph Cotten's Alternative Opening (Audio)
Shadowing The Third Man
Dangerous Edge
Third Man on Radio (Audio)
Trailer
COLLECTOR'S EDITION:

DISC 1 [DVD]
Feature
Audio Commentary
Famous Fan Featurette
Restoring the Third Man
Interview & Zither Performance by Cornelia Mayer
Guardian Interview Cotten (audio)
Guardian Interview Greene (audio)
Joseph Cotten's Alternative Opening (Audio)
DISC 2 [DVD]
Shadowing The Third Man
Dangerous Edge
Third Man on Radio (Audio)
Trailer
DISC 3 [Blu-ray]
Feature Presentation
Audio Commentary
Famous Fan Featurette
Restoring the Third Man
Interview & Zither Performance by Cornelia Mayer
Guardian Interview Cotten (audio)
Guardian Interview Greene (audio)
Joseph Cotten's Alternative Opening (Audio)
Shadowing The Third Man
Dangerous Edge
Third Man on Radio (Audio)
Trailer
DISC 4 Soundtrack/CD – Music by Anton Karas, Zither Music performed by Gertrud Huber

01 Big Ben (London Films)
02 The Harry Lime Theme
03 Dialogue - "It's a shame"
04 The Café Mozart Waltz
05 Main Title / Harry's False Funeral
06 Dialogue - "Heard of Harry Lime?"
07 Holly Encounters Anna / Meeting The Conspirators
08 Dialogue - "The third man"
09 Holly Is Accused Of Homicide
10 Dialogue - "This isn't Santa Fe"
11 Holly Brings Flowers
12 Holly Runs After Harry's Shadow
13 Dialogue - "Holly, what fools we are"
14 Trap To Catch Harry
15 Dialogue - "The Cuckoo Clock"
16 Anna Walks Away / End Title - The Harry Lime Theme
17 Visions of Vienna
18 Danube Dreams
19 The Harry Lime Theme (Orchestral version)
20 The Café Mozart Waltz (Orchestral version)
Music performed by Gertrud Huber [zither] except tracks 19 and 20 performed by The City of Prague Philharmonic Orchestra.

Also includes, booklet, art cards and poster

Is Third Man on Radio (Audio) this? Because if not then it should be.

https://archive.org/details/TheLivesOfHarryLime

[jsobko]

Love this movie.

[Ctzalman]

i'm hoping we get a review or screen caps sooner than later. i've been contemplating selling my criterion blu, but if SC botches the transfer i'll be kicking myself.

[rapta]

I already sold the extras-free SC disc to get this. I'm sure this will be better than the last one (which already looked pretty good...the sound might need a bit of fixing though).

SC's recent restorations have been superb from what I've heard, and they don't seem to shut up about this one on their Facebook/Twitter pages so it must be a particularly special restoration. At least, I hope it is - it's one of those films that really deserves it!

[L'armée des ombres]

Who in their right mind would ever sell the CC edition.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

Who in their right mind would ever sell the CC edition.

I would, if the new 4K transfer looks better. Just because its Criterion doesn't mean it's always the best.