UltraHD Blurays and players will start coming by Christmas 2015. Still buying blurays

[42041]

I'm far from convinced UHD will be see significant adoption or offer a significant improvement over blu-ray for most content (frankly, it's very obvious that even most people here are not limited by the resolution of their blurays, but by their eyes vs. their screen size). I'm far from convinced that a 4K LCD will provide an overall better visual experience than a high-end 1080p plasma. Maybe once OLED TVs become more affordable, I'll take another look, but for the time being, I'm planning on sitting UHD out.

[Arch Stanton]

I don't think I'll see a big enough difference in it to justify paying for the gear and re-buying BDs. Blu Rays continue to consistently blow me away with their depth of image so I think I'm pretty set for life.

[robgmun]

Originally Posted by Arch Stanton

I don't think I'll see a big enough difference in it to justify paying for the gear and re-buying BDs. Blu Rays continue to consistently blow me away with their depth of image so I think I'm pretty set for life.

Unless the film itself was filmed in 70mm or on 4K digial cameras i won't be bothering to upgrade most of my discs. So at most i see myself maybe buying a couple of dozen back catalogue titles made before year 2000. And most movies between 2000-2010 where filmed in digital 2K so a bit pointless too.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by Arch Stanton

I don't think I'll see a big enough difference in it to justify paying for the gear and re-buying BDs. Blu Rays continue to consistently blow me away with their depth of image so I think I'm pretty set for life.

Have you really seen UHD content yet? I have and I can see a huge difference.
All these comments about seeing a difference we heard when Blu-ray first hit the market. Also the comments about how people won't jump from DVD to Blu-ray.....guess what, they did.

[42041]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

Have you really seen UHD content yet? I have and I can see a huge difference.
All these comments about seeing a difference we heard when Blu-ray first hit the market. Also the comments about how people won't jump from DVD to Blu-ray.....guess what, they did.

Diminishing returns. Blu-ray's improvement vs its predecessor was far more significant for the average TV viewer.

[bobbydrugar]

I have seen some 4k content and While I do see a minor difference it is nowhere near the blow your socks off the haze is gone difference that was DVD to Blu. For my money right now it is certainly not enough of a difference for me to replace my tv, replace my AVR and replace my Blu-ray player. I will say that in several years when my gear stops working I will replace it with whatever happens to be the new hotness at the time but to be honest at this point I think my gear will probably outlast 4k and I will be looking at whatever is beyond that.

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[kidglov3s]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

Have you really seen UHD content yet? I have and I can see a huge difference.
All these comments about seeing a difference we heard when Blu-ray first hit the market. Also the comments about how people won't jump from DVD to Blu-ray.....guess what, they did.

Most of them stopped buying movies on physical media around 2008 and nowadays DVD only has a meager 70% of the dying home video market.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

Most of them stopped buying movies on physical media around 2008 and nowadays DVD only has a meager 70% of the dying home video market.

Dying for mainstream, but still very much alive and profitable as a niche market, and will be for a long time to come. The question is will that niche market be BDs, a mix of BD and UHD, or predominantly UHD?

I'd say odds are 50/50/0.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

Most of them stopped buying movies on physical media around 2008 and nowadays DVD only has a meager 70% of the dying home video market.

Very depressing situation all around for those that actually care about quality, or care about having access to their films years from now when rights switch hands and streaming sites drop all our favorite catalog films.

[film11]

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

Most of them stopped buying movies on physical media around 2008 and nowadays DVD only has a meager 70% of the dying home video market.

If one is going to use charts like this, one should also look at the titles being sold last year vs this year. I can tell you that there have been almost no new releases this year that have interested me enough to purchase. One has to remember that that sales are title-dependent. And one must also ask if those figure include specialty companies like Kino, Shout/Scream, Twilight Time, etc.

I must say that I find a 25% BD rate suspicious. This year, GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY in 3D accounted for about 30% of the combined BD/DVD sales. That's a higher percentage than the chart shows for BD during the indicated week. So unless 3D is now outselling standard BD, I'll just assume it was a slow week. Plus, there is no FROZEN to boost sales this time around.

I'm not trying to say that disc sales aren't dropping, but I doubt BD is at the 25% range, generally speaking.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

Also the comments about how people won't jump from DVD to Blu-ray.....guess what, they did.

No, they didn't. People said they weren't going to flock to Blu-ray and they kept their word: people haven't flocked to Blu-ray.

Blu-ray did not eventually win over the masses. Many of the people who were skeptical of BD in the beginning are still buying DVDs today. If they're still buying discs at all, that is.

Originally Posted by 42041

Diminishing returns. Blu-ray's improvement vs its predecessor was far more significant for the average TV viewer.

And even at that, more people stuck with their old ship than jumped to the new one.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

Also the comments about how people won't jump from DVD to Blu-ray.....guess what, they did.

They did? When?

Actually, most people didn't make the jump from DVD to blu-ray, as has been discussed at length in this thread.

Which is my point when I say they should drop DVD. They won't switch until they have to. When it comes to push and shove, people will switch to blu-ray. They've had 8 years to prepare for it. But it's clear they won''t as long as they keep making new DVDs.

[schan1269]

Originally Posted by Captain Willard

Has anyone seen any examples of Blu's upscaled on 4K devices?

Nope.

Everybody that owns a 4K TV is either streaming or playing DVD/VHS/LD.

[Nada]

I don't have a 4K TV and in general have little interest since there are no longer plasmas on the market and LCD's are a joke, for the most part. Hopefully by the time my plasma dies years from now OLED will be affordable and have all of the bugs worked out. 4K on a 60 inch TV is mostly a waste anyway aside from a small noticeable increase in resolution and color. There's little benefit. It's not like the leap from VHS to DVD or anything. Far from it. If you have a 150 inch screen with a 4K projector, sure, I see the appeal though.

[conradforever]

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...es-and-titles/

[schan1269]

Originally Posted by conradforever

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...es-and-titles/

Love the "blanket" that article throws in on "backwards compatible"...

So...Sony is finally going to play DVD-A?

[Canada]

Who knows what movies will be out first wave of UHD? Plus my favourite movie Mulholland Drive will only have been out on region A Blu-ray for about a month, I am not waiting another 9 years for it.

[Vriess]

The only movies I might hesitate on are ones I am almost sure will get upgrades to UHD Blu. Like the new remasters of Fifth Element and Leon. Which are almost certainly being prepped for release on the format. And I already own copies of these anyways.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Dick Deckard

20 years from now after all the old people buying DVDs now are dead 4K TVs will be all there is and UHDs will be all that's made. Technology is inevitable. Look at the stuff from 20 years ago that is gone now. I bet there were lots of people back then saying they didn't need certain things we take for granted today.

The world moves on man. You gonna move on with it or be left behind?

Oh, the naivety of youth.

What you are missing is that most of the fast-paced changes in pre-recorded media have been based on practical considerations and not quality, which is why your assumption fails. In fact, the lower-quality alternatives have won out in the past (for example, Beta offered better quality than VHS).

Cassettes took over from vinyl because of their size, portability, and the recordability factor. CD's took over from tapes because of the advantages of the format (and because it was awhile before they were easily recordable, cassettes held on for quite a long time). CDs didn't start to disappear until the need for the media itself was supplanted.

VHS only disapeared so quickly because again it was a complete format shift - with all the advantages of disc based media coupled with the invention of the DVR. But Blu-ray still is nowhere near DVD sales, and the thing is - it's not "old" people who collect DVD. I know so few people who actually buy Blu-rays, in any age group. Most people don't give a flip about the image difference.

UHD is going to be a much, much harder sell than even Blu-ray had to deal with because like Blu-ray, the only change is in image quality, not anything practical (if anything, with the Java, need for player updates, etc. - Blu-ray actually has disadvantages over DVD in that arena). And while mathematically the boost is pretty great, in practice - if people don't already care about Blu-ray over DVD quality, they really aren't going to be all over UHD.

There is no practical reason for it to take over anything, and if people were just out for higher quality, they would have adopted Blu-ray and we wouldn't be a decade into the format with such relatively low software sales compared to what it was supposed to "replace".

Originally Posted by conradforever

from articles i've read. the disks should be around the same price as bluray disks now. players around 2-3 times more than a regular bluray player.

They aren't going to cost much more to manufacture, but no pricing schemes have been announced. I have a feeling they are going to be significantly more expensive than Blu-rays at retail.

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

Of course, if combo packs of UltraHD Blu-ray/standard Blu-ray really turn out to be a thing, then I might buy a futureproof package of Spectre (2015) when it comes out.

I don't see combo packs happening with UHD. Just doesn't seem to have any of the same reasons as there were for the Blu-ray/DVD combos. It's possible, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

[Professor Echo]

Is it just me or does a new thread on this exact same subject get posted every week?