Tutorial for adding and editing releases??

[Nuck Horris]

Trying to enter these ID's for a bundle: 374596, 373542, 328062, 29042, 131960, 146335, 553968, 553969

Keep getting this error message for all ID's: "No such movie id: 374596, please check bundle id syntax. Please also note that the country for the bundle and individual entries must be the same."

I suppose maybe I'm doing it wrong and I need to enter a DVD ID? They don't have cased releases outside of this box set. It's 9 DVDs in sleeves... It would make sense to point to each movie page from the release so the box set shows up on each page.

Also don't know what to do for the audio when multiple languages are spoken in the film. Some languages like Bosnian and Serbo-Croation aren't listed either. Also the automatic tab for the audio acts up and won't list what I want half the time.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Nuck Horris

I suppose maybe I'm doing it wrong and I need to enter a DVD ID? They don't have cased releases outside of this box set. It's 9 DVDs in sleeves... It would make sense to point to each movie page from the release so the box set shows up on each page.

Yes, you'll have to add the IDs from the individual DVD product listings. The theatrical IDs or Blu-ray IDs won't work.

[Strapped4Cash]

Originally Posted by Nuck Horris

I suppose maybe I'm doing it wrong and I need to enter a DVD ID? They don't have cased releases outside of this box set. It's 9 DVDs in sleeves... It would make sense to point to each movie page from the release so the box set shows up on each page.

As stated you have to enter the individual DVD id's for the DVD collection's, the individual BD id's for the BD collection's, etc. Which isn't a big deal when they actually exist, but is a pain when you have to enter as many as 9 different DVD's when none of them actually exist.

So first you have to create all those dummy DVD entries, and yes, that is something that has it's drawbacks. I've seen this done wrong, or not done at all, when people don't want to deal with the hassle.

Also don't know what to do for the audio when multiple languages are spoken in the film.

I'd say either leave it alone, procrastination can be your friend. Or go with your best conscientious guess as to which is the most often spoken language.

Some languages like Bosnian and Serbo-Croation aren't listed either.

You can request them in the Site improvements and Wiki thread https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...45767&page=235

Also the automatic tab for the audio acts up and won't list what I want half the time.

Yeah. If it's not on the list then you can request it in the aforementioned thread. I've had the acting up a fair bit too. Not always, but generally speaking I find scrolling down to the proper entry and hitting Enter/Return works better than trying to click on it.

[Nuck Horris]

Originally Posted by Strapped4Cash

As stated you have to enter the individual DVD id's for the DVD collection's, the individual BD id's for the BD collection's, etc. Which isn't a big deal when they actually exist, but is a pain when you have to enter as many as 9 different DVD's when none of them actually exist.

So first you have to create all those dummy DVD entries, and yes, that is something that has it's drawbacks. I've seen this done wrong, or not done at all, when people don't want to deal with the hassle.

Why do we want to create pictureless dummy pages with all of the same functions on it as a regular release page? Doesn't make any sense to me. Especially when a DVD contains more than one movie, which wouldn't work anyway. Each would probably need their own movie pages also before creating the DVD page. I think collections themselves should be created with a movie page. That way it will show up under the director's profile rather than having 20 entries with grey icons show up on the movie pages and other associated pages...

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Nuck Horris

Why do we want to create pictureless dummy pages with all of the same functions on it as a regular release page? Doesn't make any sense to me. Especially when a DVD contains more than one movie, which wouldn't work anyway. Each would probably need their own movie pages also before creating the DVD page. I think collections themselves should be created with a movie page. That way it will show up under the director's profile rather than having 20 entries with grey icons show up on the movie pages and other associated pages...

It allows for you to provide proper specs for each film; codec, resolution, run time, aspect ratio, audio tracks, subtitles, disc info, etc. Not to mention the reviewers can provide a separate review for each movie.

[Nuck Horris]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

It allows for you to provide proper specs for each film; codec, resolution, run time, aspect ratio, audio tracks, subtitles, disc info, etc.

Not when none of that is mentioned on the release...

Not to mention the reviewers can provide a separate review for each movie.

No one will review what I'm listing. The benefits of creating a movie page for the sets outweigh the benefits of creating useless dummy pages which contain very little information.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Nuck Horris

Not when none of that is mentioned on the release...

That information comes from the disc itself and not the back cover.

Originally Posted by Nuck Horris

No one will review what I'm listing. The benefits of creating a movie page for the sets outweigh the benefits of creating useless dummy pages which contain very little information.

Then it's probably not worth adding Bundle IDs.

[strumdogg]

I don't see what the issue is here. Is it the time? Work?

Well...Welcome to a/any/the...blu-ray.com forum!


Yes, adding bundled releases are quite easy, and not too time-consuming if the films they contain have already been added.


If you'd like to add such a release, no problem! You can do it yourself!

--To add a movie(s), go to: https://www.blu-ray.com/products/?c=7&action=addproduct
--To then add a release that collects those movie(s), go to: https://www.blu-ray.com/products/?c=7&action=addproduct

BUT, as you noted, be sure to get the information correct! (We wouldn't want the reviewers to be sad, or have to do extra work!)


After that, you're all done! Hit the hay! Moving forward, others just might edit/add to those glorious titles you submitted.

[Nuck Horris]

Originally Posted by strumdogg

I don't see what the issue is here. Is it the time? Work?

I've already explained why adding dummy discs is a bad idea. I could go over it again. But I won't bother.

This isn't work, it's geekery. I don't know if your post was supposed to come off as a slight towards me or as slightly retarded but I haven't even been here 2 months and I have about the same amount of contributions you've had over the last 4 years.

Thanks for the tips though, I'll have my people look into it.

[strumdogg]

Originally Posted by Nuck Horris

I've already explained why adding dummy discs is a bad idea. I could go over it again. But I won't bother.

This isn't work, it's geekery. I don't know if your post was supposed to come off as a slight towards me or as slightly retarded but I haven't even been here 2 months and I have about the same amount of contributions you've had over the last 4 years.

Thanks for the tips though, I'll have my people look into it.

My post was intended to be instructive, and helpful! I have nothing against you.


I explained the process, and now I'm done with it (and you). Good Luck!

[Strapped4Cash]

Originally Posted by Nuck Horris

Why do we want to create pictureless dummy pages with all of the same functions on it as a regular release page? Doesn't make any sense to me.

It doesn't have to be every piece of info. I'd say the more the better, but that it could be submitted with less. Every system is imperfect, this one too, but it does have advantages also. Speaking of which...

Especially when a DVD contains more than one movie, which wouldn't work anyway.

Unless I'm misunderstanding, then it can work quite well actually. Here's a 16-film John Wayne collection that someone put in a lot of work on: https://www.blu-ray.com/dvd/John-Way...Set-DVD/69711/

I don't think that any of those movies got individual releases, but the collection works just as well as if they had. And when movies have been released previously on dvd then it's easier: https://www.blu-ray.com/dvd/James-Bo...-Set-DVD/8639/

Each would probably need their own movie pages also before creating the DVD page.

Movie pages don't have to be created, some people focus only on creating the dvd page. Though personally I feel that they definitely should, whether the films/shows have seen any releases yet or not.

I think collections themselves should be created with a movie page. That way it will show up under the director's profile rather than having 20 entries with grey icons show up on the movie pages and other associated pages...

That's one way of doing things, but doesn't seem to me to be how the people who own/run the site intend it. You could always ask.

Meanwhile, you seem focused on directors in this, but many collections have multiple directors, from (nearly) all the tv series to lots of others, such as the 2 I linked to earlier. Still, if everything is done as recommended, then the movie will show up on the director's profile and then the release will be under that movie, just as with a standard single release.

I hope that helps.

[varsas]

Originally Posted by strumdogg

I know how you feel, Nuck Horris. I tried to get answers about a year ago:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=256169


I was promised that guidelines/rules for making submissions were coming, but I haven't seen them.


Good Luck!

I guess the mods and developers are busy. Perhaps someone of the forum can write something up, others can feedback into it and then the thread can be stickied?

[theater dreamer]

Well, I've started throwing my hat into the ring as a contributor to the forum. I'm starting out by adding any classic films I see that don't yet have a page on our site. My understanding is that the general film submission is the first step in the process, and once approved, then I'll be able to start linking in DVD/Blu-ray editions, add cast and crew information, etc.

I'm going to try and do some different submissions to see if I can figure it all out. Then, I might work on a guide. That will be a way off, however. There's a lot to absorb right now.

[Strapped4Cash]

Originally Posted by theater dreamer

Well, I've started throwing my hat into the ring as a contributor to the forum. I'm starting out by adding any classic films I see that don't yet have a page on our site. My understanding is that the general film submission is the first step in the process, and once approved, then I'll be able to start linking in DVD/Blu-ray editions, add cast and crew information, etc.

I'm going to try and do some different submissions to see if I can figure it all out. Then, I might work on a guide. That will be a way off, however. There's a lot to absorb right now.

Great to hear! You're right that submitting the "general film" aka the Theatrical Entry or Master Movie ID is almost always the best place to start. There are very rare exceptions, like a Nature Blu-ray or DVD that contains footage from several different movies wouldn't have been released as it's own film or tv show. But those are rare, and shouldn't be a concern at all if you're concentrating on classic films.

As you say, once approved, you can link it to any applicable Blu-ray, DVD, UV, etc. editions, including foreign releases, in the database. Add Cast & Crew (or "People"), though sometimes they have to be added to the database too (and try to make sure you have the right person, as sometimes more than one person with the same name has been in show business, but not all of them might have been added to the database here yet), and a theatrical poster.

Good luck to you!

[theater dreamer]

Originally Posted by Strapped4Cash

Great to hear! You're right that submitting the "general film" aka the Theatrical Entry or Master Movie ID is almost always the best place to start. There are very rare exceptions, like a Nature Blu-ray or DVD that contains footage from several different movies wouldn't have been released as it's own film or tv show. But those are rare, and shouldn't be a concern at all if you're concentrating on classic films.

As you say, once approved, you can link it to any applicable Blu-ray, DVD, UV, etc. editions, including foreign releases, in the database. Add Cast & Crew (or "People"), though sometimes they have to be added to the database too (and try to make sure you have the right person, as sometimes more than one person with the same name has been in show business, but not all of them might have been added to the database here yet), and a theatrical poster.

Good luck to you!

Thank you for the encouragement, and the information.

I've added Here Comes the Navy (1934), starring James Cagney and Gloria Stuart (best known to modern audiences as older Rose from the 1996 Best Picture Titanic). It looks like everything was approved. I added in the complete cast as listed on imdb, including the director, case, cinematographer, writers and conductor, the year, length, rating and worldwide releases I could find, a brief synopsis that I will improve on once I've had a chance to watch the film, and have a better grasp. I also uploaded a HQ movie poster. And when I add a cast/crew member, and that name exists twice, I'm very careful to ascertain which one it is via imdb. I came across that at least once in the movie submission.

I also added a bio for actor Paul Henreid, and greatly expanded on the bio for Ingrid Bergman. My main focus will be to add movies that have not been added, but a second, nearly as important objective for me is to improve the biographical information provided for major stars. I want to pique interest in classic films, and that's one way I might be able to do so.

A couple questions for you (or any other contributor that can/will chime in). When adding screenshots for the movie, obviously I don't have this movie yet. Do I need to wait to add screenies, or can I find them from the web? What's the rule as far as uploading when something is listed as rights free (like on Wikipedia, if pictures are included in the movie page)? There's no place to include a citation for the screenshot. I want to be very careful to stay within the rules, and not get part of the database locked.

Also, should I add a dummy blu-ray page for movies such as this one? If there's no blu-ray, usually I would not. However, this was released on DVD (and it automatically linked) by Warner Brothers through its Warner Archive Collection. I would anticipate that means a blu release is in the future.

Thanks again for the help! Have a great weekend!

Bill

[Evil]

Originally Posted by theater dreamer

Thank you for the encouragement, and the information.

I've added Here Comes the Navy (1934), starring James Cagney and Gloria Stuart (best known to modern audiences as older Rose from the 1996 Best Picture Titanic). It looks like everything was approved. I added in the complete cast as listed on imdb, including the director, case, cinematographer, writers and conductor, the year, length, rating and worldwide releases I could find, a brief synopsis that I will improve on once I've had a chance to watch the film, and have a better grasp. I also uploaded a HQ movie poster. And when I add a cast/crew member, and that name exists twice, I'm very careful to ascertain which one it is via imdb. I came across that at least once in the movie submission.

I also added a bio for actor Paul Henreid, and greatly expanded on the bio for Ingrid Bergman. My main focus will be to add movies that have not been added, but a second, nearly as important objective for me is to improve the biographical information provided for major stars. I want to pique interest in classic films, and that's one way I might be able to do so.

Excellent job! I just used your new theatrical entry to create an iTunes entry for the film.

Originally Posted by theater dreamer

A couple questions for you (or any other contributor that can/will chime in). When adding screenshots for the movie, obviously I don't have this movie yet. Do I need to wait to add screenies, or can I find them from the web? What's the rule as far as uploading when something is listed as rights free (like on Wikipedia, if pictures are included in the movie page)? There's no place to include a citation for the screenshot. I want to be very careful to stay within the rules, and not get part of the database locked.

Only the site's official reviewers can add screenshots. They usually do this when they review a blu-ray release of a film.

Originally Posted by theater dreamer

Also, should I add a dummy blu-ray page for movies such as this one? If there's no blu-ray, usually I would not. However, this was released on DVD (and it automatically linked) by Warner Brothers through its Warner Archive Collection. I would anticipate that means a blu release is in the future.

Well, there is some debate about creating placeholder entries for BD releases. Personally, I feel that it is best to wait until a blu-ray release is officially announced.

[theater dreamer]

Originally Posted by Evil

Excellent job! I just used your new theatrical entry to create an iTunes entry for the film.


Only the site's official reviewers can add screenshots. They usually do this when they review a blu-ray release of a film.


Well, there is some debate about creating placeholder entries for BD releases. Personally, I feel that it is best to wait until a blu-ray release is officially announced.

Thank you. Good to know I got it right, though it's not really difficult, just a little time consuming at the beginning. I pay a lot of attention to detail, and I want to make sure that I get everything right. Even though 99.9% of the members of this forum will never watch the majority of the films I add, I feel compelled to do so. These films are the basis for everything we watch now; these men and women who stood in front of, and behind the camera, put in a lot of hard work. Their work needs to be respected.

I'm already seeing films I would like to watch, just because an actor here, or a director there, intrigues me, or I've seen them do something else I've liked. I just completed a page for The Patriot (1928), and I would really love to see it. Ernst Lubitsch directed it (I just bought his To Be Or Not To Be on Criterion Blu-ray), and it stars Emil Jannings, who appears in films I'm interested in, including Marlene Dietrich's The Blue Angel (which I just got in), as well as F.W. Murnau's Faust, which I am buying at the end of this month. Unfortunately, The Patriot is lost. It's the only Best Picture nominee without a complete film. The UCLA Film and Television Archive has a 2,500 ft strip of film, and a reel was discovered in Portugal. But as of now, there is no known complete copy of the film. I hope that changes. Miracles happen. Look at what happened with Fritz Lang's Metropolis.

I agree about the Blu-ray placeholders. I won't add it unless it becomes announced. That's as it should be. Wishful thinking is not justification for an entry.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll be chipping away behind the scenes nightly. I'm completing The Racket (1928) right now.

Cheers!

[Strapped4Cash]

Originally Posted by theater dreamer

Thank you for the encouragement, and the information.

I've added Here Comes the Navy (1934), starring James Cagney and Gloria Stuart (best known to modern audiences as older Rose from the 1996 Best Picture Titanic). It looks like everything was approved. I added in the complete cast as listed on imdb, including the director, case, cinematographer, writers and conductor, the year, length, rating and worldwide releases I could find, a brief synopsis that I will improve on once I've had a chance to watch the film, and have a better grasp. I also uploaded a HQ movie poster. And when I add a cast/crew member, and that name exists twice, I'm very careful to ascertain which one it is via imdb. I came across that at least once in the movie submission.

I also added a bio for actor Paul Henreid, and greatly expanded on the bio for Ingrid Bergman. My main focus will be to add movies that have not been added, but a second, nearly as important objective for me is to improve the biographical information provided for major stars. I want to pique interest in classic films, and that's one way I might be able to do so.

A couple questions for you (or any other contributor that can/will chime in). When adding screenshots for the movie, obviously I don't have this movie yet. Do I need to wait to add screenies, or can I find them from the web? What's the rule as far as uploading when something is listed as rights free (like on Wikipedia, if pictures are included in the movie page)? There's no place to include a citation for the screenshot. I want to be very careful to stay within the rules, and not get part of the database locked.

Also, should I add a dummy blu-ray page for movies such as this one? If there's no blu-ray, usually I would not. However, this was released on DVD (and it automatically linked) by Warner Brothers through its Warner Archive Collection. I would anticipate that means a blu release is in the future.

Thanks again for the help! Have a great weekend!

Bill

You're very welcome Bill. It looks like you did a great and thorough job on Here Comes the Navy. I'm glad that Evil already helped with your questions, he's been here much longer than I and so has a lot more knowledge and experience.

One aspect that I think it worth mentioning is that the link to the DVD wasn't automatic, but the effort of whatever nice approval person okayed your submission. They don't always do that, but of course it's great when they do. However, very very very rarely I've found that a person in that position will link to a release that they think is associated, but actually isn't. So it's always worth checking, just in case.

Originally Posted by theater dreamer

Thank you. Good to know I got it right, though it's not really difficult, just a little time consuming at the beginning. I pay a lot of attention to detail, and I want to make sure that I get everything right. Even though 99.9% of the members of this forum will never watch the majority of the films I add, I feel compelled to do so. These films are the basis for everything we watch now; these men and women who stood in front of, and behind the camera, put in a lot of hard work. Their work needs to be respected.

I'm already seeing films I would like to watch, just because an actor here, or a director there, intrigues me, or I've seen them do something else I've liked. I just completed a page for The Patriot (1928), and I would really love to see it. Ernst Lubitsch directed it (I just bought his To Be Or Not To Be on Criterion Blu-ray), and it stars Emil Jannings, who appears in films I'm interested in, including Marlene Dietrich's The Blue Angel (which I just got in), as well as F.W. Murnau's Faust, which I am buying at the end of this month. Unfortunately, The Patriot is lost. It's the only Best Picture nominee without a complete film. The UCLA Film and Television Archive has a 2,500 ft strip of film, and a reel was discovered in Portugal. But as of now, there is no known complete copy of the film. I hope that changes. Miracles happen. Look at what happened with Fritz Lang's Metropolis.

I agree about the Blu-ray placeholders. I won't add it unless it becomes announced. That's as it should be. Wishful thinking is not justification for an entry.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll be chipping away behind the scenes nightly. I'm completing The Racket (1928) right now.

Cheers!

Very well said! I like to think that all, or at least the vast majority, of we who submit to the database pay attention to detail and try to do our bests. Mistakes always happen at some point, or misunderstandings or disagreements, but I like to hope that everyone is coming from a good place.

And I've absolutely experienced the same thing by contributing to the database. By bolstering an actor/actress/director/etc.'s films then I find projects that they were in that I hadn't been aware of, or am exposed to new people, and then look into their filmographies. And having the Master Movie ID means being able to more easily see foreign releases of perhaps unreleased domestic films, especially when they are under different titles. And even if we do know about it then hopefully it will help someone else.

[jcflman]

Originally Posted by Strapped4Cash

One aspect that I think it worth mentioning is that the link to the DVD wasn't automatic, but the effort of whatever nice approval person okayed your submission. They don't always do that, but of course it's great when they do. However, very very very rarely I've found that a person in that position will link to a release that they think is associated, but actually isn't. So it's always worth checking, just in case.

I'm not 100% but I believe a lot of times films are linked automatically. I added the movie Special with Michael Rapaport and it was a headache to deal with after. It was linked to films & music releases with "Special" in the title that were from the same year.

[Strapped4Cash]

Originally Posted by jcflman

I'm not 100% but I believe a lot of times films are linked automatically. I added the movie Special with Michael Rapaport and it was a headache to deal with after. It was linked to films & music releases with "Special" in the title that were from the same year.

I guess it's possible, and does sound more likely from your experience. I've created theatrical entries that precisely match a dvd, bd, etc. title and they don't get linked. If there was an automated aspect to it then it's strange they would have been missed. Maybe it comes down to an imperfect program? Though if that's the case then it seems an argument to turn it off.