Pioneer Kuro plasmas better than 4k tv's?

[skimrn]

Originally Posted by CHASLS2

I can live with 720P done right all day.

Lucky for you, jumping from 720p to 1080p for me it's like night and day, 4K another big jump on my Samsung 75in 4K.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by oppopioneer

I haven't been in the electronics scene since 2012. After we got the Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD plasma we been set.

I was just wondering if the Pioneer Kuro plasmas are still king in picture quality and black levels or have they been surpassed by the new 4K tv's? Am I missing something?

I went into a Sears yesterday and saw a curved Samsung 4k Ultra HD and it looked nice, nice PQ, nothing that looked any better than my Pioneer. I thought the 4k tv was very sharp and overly digitized where as the Pioneer plasma was more natural and realistic and less eye strain.

I haven't seen any LED TV's with deep blacks like the Kuro. Having said that, I think the Kuro plasmas were already edged out by the Panasonic Plasmas( VT and ZT)

[CHASLS2]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

I haven't seen any LED TV's with deep blacks like the Kuro. Having said that, I think the Kuro plasmas were already edged out by the Panasonic Plasmas( VT and ZT)

The Kuro was still a step ahead of my 60vt60. The KRP 500m was the best thing going.

[sperezmore]

Nothing is better than the current OLED sets

Regards,

[CHASLS2]

Originally Posted by sperezmore

Nothing is better than the current OLED sets

Regards,

If you get one that works right without yellow streaks pink and green spots and so on. No way i would jump on OLED until things get better and we get other companies making them. I have a under 2000 hour 60vt60 that works fine. I guess if it went out i would have no choice as i would never buy LED ted.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by oppopioneer

I haven't been in the electronics scene since 2012. After we got the Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-151FD plasma we been set.

I was just wondering if the Pioneer Kuro plasmas are still king in picture quality and black levels or have they been surpassed by the new 4K tv's? Am I missing something?

I went into a Sears yesterday and saw a curved Samsung 4k Ultra HD and it looked nice, nice PQ, nothing that looked any better than my Pioneer. I thought the 4k tv was very sharp and overly digitized where as the Pioneer plasma was more natural and realistic and less eye strain.

Panasonic have gotten insanely close

[bailey1987]

I think only the Panasonic Plasma tops it but that's mainly because of the 3D support and that's only taking into account 1080p TV's. I still have my Kuro and use it as my main TV, I won't upgrade until the blacks are beat and the whites for that matter.

[Cobolisdead]

I never got why people are so in love with their Kuro HDTVs.

[bootman]

Originally Posted by Cobolisdead

I never got why people are so in love with their Kuro HDTVs.

Same reasons folks love their OPPO players, or PS4, or BMWs or insert your die hard favorite brand here.

Perceived (real or otherwise) superiority over other brands.

Get some rave reviews from the highend community and you are off and running.

Search for groupthink and you now know how forums work.

[42041]

LCDs still suck as much as ever, but plasma's got nothing on OLED panels black level wise, though apparently they have their own problems. I haven't done too much research on them, since I'm holding off on anything 4K until the early adopters work out all the bugs for me.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by 42041

LCDs still suck as much as ever, but plasma's got nothing on OLED panels black level wise, though apparently they have their own problems. I haven't done too much research on them, since I'm holding off on anything 4K until the early adopters work out all the bugs for me.

All formats are far from perfect, but I would take a 4k plamsa anyday

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by bootman

Same reasons folks love their OPPO players, or PS4, or BMWs or insert your die hard favorite brand here.

Perceived (real or otherwise) superiority over other brands.

Get some rave reviews from the highend community and you are off and running.

Search for groupthink and you now know how forums work.

Bad news - the average human head has only one brain, and two eyes.


If you owned a Kuro, and everyone left the room, you could decide for yourself.


But you don't own one. It appears you're giving a shot at "groupthink" for people who never saw one. It's a pretty big group. Maybe you feel warmer in it, while you cheer for Vizio.

[JJ]

AS AN OWNER...of practically all the most popular display formats - I've owned the top-of-the-line Panny 65ZT60, I still own a 5020 Kuro, I've had an Epson 5030 projector/Sony VPL40 - and had a 47" Philips LCD and now own a 65" Samsung LEDLCD JS8500 (4K)...

I can tell you this -

Well, wait, lemme think about this before I put it to words.

[skimrn]

Originally Posted by bootman

Same reasons folks love their OPPO players, or PS4, or BMWs or insert your die hard favorite brand here.

Perceived (real or otherwise) superiority over other brands.

Get some rave reviews from the highend community and you are off and running.

Search for groupthink and you now know how forums work.

You said it! I owned Pioneer Kuro 6010FD 60in(including Panasonic 65VT50) and Oppo BDP95, these are among the best products in their own category, in history of home theater.

LOVED these 2 combos. Sold them all, currently own Samsung 75HU8550 75in 4K TV and waiting for Oppo 4K player!

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by Cobolisdead

I never got why people are so in love with their Kuro HDTVs.

Don't have one, eh? It's OK, they'll equal them one day.

[Cobolisdead]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Don't have one, eh? It's OK, they'll equal them one day.

Ehh, I have seen one, and I just don't see the appeal. I have seen other plasma HDTVs that I like better, and a ton of UHDTVs that I like even better.

[wesslan]

From what I've read 2015 OLEDs (panasonics oled not so much though) had their shared problems like poor shadowdetail(clips too early), not perfect motion on all formats like 24/50/60hz, 720p and dvd don't look as good since it's a 4K screen (duh), don't calibrate as good as the top plasmas in uniformity for one and very slow for gaming.

My hopes is that this years OLED screens have remedied atleast 80-90% of those problems since I also think OLED is the future but I won't buy one until I know the problems is ironed out even with that amazing blacks.

I have a calibrated 65VT60 and don't like the clean LCD look but haven't seen a calibrated OLED for myself.

[jibucha]

plasma :: Panasonic ZT-Series

LCD :: Vizio Reference Series (4K HDR UltraHD)



find these to look at; decide for yourself

you have your reference (Pioneer Elite Kuro); i expect that it would be quiet easy for you, given your ownership of the 'Kuro'

i do not think that anyone but yourself should answer your question

the Panasonic will most likely be unavailable unless you know someone with one

the Vizio is limited arability to custom installers, with exception (Best Buy - Magnolia - design centers that do custom installation - few, but available)

[vincentric]

I love my Kuro TV as well, I plan to keep it along with a nice assortment of BDs that look great on it for as long as it lasts. The contrast ratio superiority is no placebo. Having said that, love my current sony x850c, as well, its contrast ratio is not as nice as the Kuro but UHDs look great on it to me nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Stanton

That's technically not possible, which partially explains why plasma is dead. OLED is king of the hill now.

I want to make the jump to oled two-three years from now, more or less. Biding time.

[saprano]

Well resolution isn't the most aspect for PQ. It's actually last.













None of the 4K LCD's, nor OLED, i've seen have the kuros natural organic texture. Plasmas just feel and look smoother. Combine that with it's amazing MLL, motion, uniform picture and accurate color, you can see why most owners are not ready to replace it.