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EVERYONE LIES · 12-23-2007, 06:38 PM

The AFI is crap. If i made a list, the Big Lebowski would be #1. What makes a movie one of the greatest of all time? critics? It would be popularity. Elvis wasn't the king because he was the best singer of all time. The top 100 list without the Wizard of Oz at #1 is a joke.

buckshot · 12-23-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EVERYONE LIES

The AFI is crap. If i made a list, the Big Lebowski would be #1. What makes a movie one of the greatest of all time? critics? It would be popularity. Elvis wasn't the king because he was the best singer of all time. The top 100 list without the Wizard of Oz at #1 is a joke.

problem is if we go by popularity wouldn't Titanic be #1? yuck.

akadkins · 12-23-2007, 06:46 PM

Let's get back on track. Top Blu-Ray classic film is The Searchers. Incredible cinematography in high-def makes it the winner...

A Christmas Story...please...

Seretur · 12-23-2007, 07:00 PM

The Wizard of Oz as the best film of all time?

Lovely.

The classics will come -- and there are already more of them released than I hoped. Titles like The Searchers and the Kubrick movies; and with Sony pulling all stops on Lawrence of Arabia, the prospects look good indeed.

But this no-film-after-1975-can-be-considered-a-classic attitude is going a bit too far. The whole idea of creating a canon of classics emerged in the 1960s, in magazines such as Sight and Sound and Cahiers du cinema, and the lists that were created then have been preached as gospel ever since in film schools and university classes all over the world. Combined with a very exclusive attitude of the majority of film critics and theorists as to what constitutes great cinema, it has actually hindered the appreciation of cinema as an art form.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the recent films are necessarily good -- including Oscar winners and festival favorites. But there are amazing films still being made, and they won't ever make it onto the petrified 100 Best lists because of the prevailing attitude.

To take one of the given examples, I can understand and appreciate the historical importance of titles like Battleship Potemkin or The Birth of a Nation, and admire their craft as much as the next guy: but both are flat pieces of very simplistic propaganda, shot through with ideology and (in the case of Griffith's film) perfectly unacceptable racism. Do I find them to be truly great? No. I actually find them trite and unbearably shallow.

And yes, I got into many arguments about it with my teachers.

There a lot of good movies on Blu-ray already, and my wallet is having holes drilled in it daily. And I'm sure we'll be getting many more very soon -- something for everyone, even the AFI fanclub...

EVERYONE LIES · 12-24-2007, 01:25 AM

The Wizard of Oz is the BEST movie of all time. For many reasons all though it is not my favorite movie.

RUR · 12-24-2007, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by akadkins

Let's get back on track. Top Blu-Ray classic film is The Searchers. Incredible cinematography in high-def makes it the winner...
......

The Searchers is #12 on the 2007 revised AFI Top 100 list. Blade Runner is #97. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI%27s...ary_Edition%29

Canada · 12-24-2007, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by EVERYONE LIES

Where are the classics on blu-ray? I don't mean your favorite movie, I mean probably the best 100 movies of all time. So far only 2 are available on Blu-Ray (Bladerunner is not one of them, sorry).I just watched A Christmas Story on Blu-Ray and it got me thinking. This is probably the best movie of the past 25 years and the Blu-Ray is terrible. I really hope Warner is restoring this for the 25th anniversary next year. People claim that old movies will never look as good as new movies but i think that is not expecting enough. A Christmas Story needs to look perfect. It is only 24 years old.

So the Christmas Story is better than

Fargo
Pulp Fiction
Goodfellas
Schindlers List
Platoon

To each his own

JJ · 12-24-2007, 02:27 AM

I'm telling you, Porky's!

JasonR · 12-24-2007, 02:33 AM

I think the AFI chooses a good selection of films for a wide variety of viewers. Just because one of my favorites is The Usual Suspects doesn't mean my wife likes it. Actually she hates it....

As for a general gathering of films, I find they do well.

Neo65 · 12-24-2007, 02:36 AM

Everybody's personal list of favorite movies is different. I happen to think that Casablanca, Starship Troopers, CE3K, BladeRunner, these are all great movies.

They're great in different ways, but that list put together will offend some people, but to me, they belong in the same sentence. See there?

BoogalooShrimp · 12-24-2007, 05:40 AM

Just because a film is considered a "classic" by critics and moviegoers doesn't mean that you have to like it. I went through a classic film kick last year where I rented every classic film that I hadn't seen. I didn't get through all of them but there were some I liked and some that I didn't like. For example:

Liked:

2001: A Space Odyssey
Cool Hand Luke
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
The Hustler (As you can tell, I became a huge Paul Newman fan)
Casablanca
Rebel Without a Cause

Disliked:

Dr. Strangelove (God I hated this one. Too bad because I love Kubrick)
Citzen Kane
On the Waterfront
A Streetcar Named Desire (I guess I don't like Brando)
The French Connection

This isn't a complete list. I actually had to be honest with the fact that I disliked some of these movies because they're so highly regarded. I felt like I was betraying the art of film by accepting the fact that some of them just didn't do it for me.

d_rob1031 · 12-24-2007, 05:50 AM

I'm still begging for Equilibrium and The Boondock Saints. Both incredible movies.

JJ · 12-24-2007, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by d_rob1031

I'm still begging for Equilibrium and The Boondock Saints. Both incredible movies.

+1,000,000

Wow, I could not agree more with those statements.

PeechCobblerPie · 12-24-2007, 05:54 AM

Do that many people really want all the classics now? I'd much rather see more effort put into newer movies first

d_rob1031 · 12-24-2007, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by PeechCobblerPie

Do that many people really want all the classics now? I'd much rather see more effort put into newer movies first

You have to preserve the classics, without them we wouldn't have the great films we have today.

d_rob1031 · 12-24-2007, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

+1,000,000

Wow, I could not agree more with those statements.

You're officially my new best friend <3 hah

EVERYONE LIES · 12-25-2007, 03:49 AM

Dr. Strangelove is garbage. I'm glad someone else hates it.

T-Town Oil · 12-25-2007, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by akadkins

Let's get back on track. Top Blu-Ray classic film is The Searchers. Incredible cinematography in high-def makes it the winner...

A Christmas Story...please...

im a huge fan of the wild bunch myself. im sure youve seen it, but if you havent its a great flick.

Kristin Simard · 12-25-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PeechCobblerPie

Do that many people really want all the classics now? I'd much rather see more effort put into newer movies first

There are at least two kinds of classics. Those that are classic for their historical context. Those that are classic because they are masterpieces of the art and craft of filmmaking. Some are classic for both reasons.

90% of films made are the garbage variety. The classics teach and remind of what filmmaking can do at its best. They provide inspiration for the filmmakers working today. They set the standards of excellence.

IMO any true cinema fan or artist will have profound respect and appreciation for the classics. They are the building blocks for the better films made today. Yes, d_rob1031 said it too, I'm just casting my vote.

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12-23-2007, 06:38 PM	#21
EVERYONE LIES Special Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Pennsylvania 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:329 DVD collection:4 Digital collection:31 iTunes collection:2028 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:329	The AFI is crap. If i made a list, the Big Lebowski would be #1. What makes a movie one of the greatest of all time? critics? It would be popularity. Elvis wasn't the king because he was the best singer of all time. The top 100 list without the Wizard of Oz at #1 is a joke.

12-23-2007, 06:46 PM	#23
akadkins Senior Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:San Diego, CA Blu-ray collection:2 Trading Score:2	Let's get back on track. Top Blu-Ray classic film is The Searchers. Incredible cinematography in high-def makes it the winner... A Christmas Story...please...

12-23-2007, 07:00 PM	#24
Seretur Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:An Island in the Adriatic Blu-ray collection:521 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:2	The Wizard of Oz as the best film of all time? Lovely. The classics will come -- and there are already more of them released than I hoped. Titles like The Searchers and the Kubrick movies; and with Sony pulling all stops on Lawrence of Arabia, the prospects look good indeed. But this no-film-after-1975-can-be-considered-a-classic attitude is going a bit too far. The whole idea of creating a canon of classics emerged in the 1960s, in magazines such as Sight and Sound and Cahiers du cinema, and the lists that were created then have been preached as gospel ever since in film schools and university classes all over the world. Combined with a very exclusive attitude of the majority of film critics and theorists as to what constitutes great cinema, it has actually hindered the appreciation of cinema as an art form. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the recent films are necessarily good -- including Oscar winners and festival favorites. But there are amazing films still being made, and they won't ever make it onto the petrified 100 Best lists because of the prevailing attitude. To take one of the given examples, I can understand and appreciate the historical importance of titles like Battleship Potemkin or The Birth of a Nation, and admire their craft as much as the next guy: but both are flat pieces of very simplistic propaganda, shot through with ideology and (in the case of Griffith's film) perfectly unacceptable racism. Do I find them to be truly great? No. I actually find them trite and unbearably shallow. And yes, I got into many arguments about it with my teachers. There a lot of good movies on Blu-ray already, and my wallet is having holes drilled in it daily. And I'm sure we'll be getting many more very soon -- something for everyone, even the AFI fanclub...

12-24-2007, 01:25 AM	#25
EVERYONE LIES Special Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Pennsylvania 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:329 DVD collection:4 Digital collection:31 iTunes collection:2028 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:329	The Wizard of Oz is the BEST movie of all time. For many reasons all though it is not my favorite movie.

12-24-2007, 02:27 AM	#28
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	I'm telling you, Porky's!

12-24-2007, 02:33 AM	#29
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	I think the AFI chooses a good selection of films for a wide variety of viewers. Just because one of my favorites is The Usual Suspects doesn't mean my wife likes it. Actually she hates it.... As for a general gathering of films, I find they do well.

12-24-2007, 02:36 AM	#30
Neo65 Senior Member Member since:Sep 2007	Everybody's personal list of favorite movies is different. I happen to think that Casablanca, Starship Troopers, CE3K, BladeRunner, these are all great movies. They're great in different ways, but that list put together will offend some people, but to me, they belong in the same sentence. See there?

12-24-2007, 05:40 AM	#31
BoogalooShrimp Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Las Vegas, NV Blu-ray collection:454	Just because a film is considered a "classic" by critics and moviegoers doesn't mean that you have to like it. I went through a classic film kick last year where I rented every classic film that I hadn't seen. I didn't get through all of them but there were some I liked and some that I didn't like. For example: Liked: 2001: A Space Odyssey Cool Hand Luke Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid The Hustler (As you can tell, I became a huge Paul Newman fan) Casablanca Rebel Without a Cause Disliked: Dr. Strangelove (God I hated this one. Too bad because I love Kubrick) Citzen Kane On the Waterfront A Streetcar Named Desire (I guess I don't like Brando) The French Connection This isn't a complete list. I actually had to be honest with the fact that I disliked some of these movies because they're so highly regarded. I felt like I was betraying the art of film by accepting the fact that some of them just didn't do it for me.

12-24-2007, 05:50 AM	#32
d_rob1031 Active Member Member since:Dec 2007	I'm still begging for Equilibrium and The Boondock Saints. Both incredible movies.

12-24-2007, 05:54 AM	#34
PeechCobblerPie Banned Member since:Dec 2007 Blu-ray reviews:2	Do that many people really want all the classics now? I'd much rather see more effort put into newer movies first

12-25-2007, 03:49 AM	#37
EVERYONE LIES Special Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Pennsylvania 4K collection:17 Blu-ray collection:329 DVD collection:4 Digital collection:31 iTunes collection:2028 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:329	Dr. Strangelove is garbage. I'm glad someone else hates it.

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