The Hobbit Trilogy 4K UHD Extended & Theatrical (2012-2014)

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by GenPion

Awesome announcement!

I hope this is with the HFR presentation (even though it would be 60 FPS). Never got to see it this way for myself when these played in theaters.

You know that "smoothness" feature on your 4k display? It was like that cranked up to max, except not simulated, but actual frames. I remember being most struck by it during the Storm Giant sequence. Along with IMAX 3D, it was a very different visual experience.

[weberrygt]

STB.... and the Hobbit! Ok, 4k, I see what you are doing!

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by Vangeli

This three part Hobbit retrospective (that was originally meant to be two parts, irony!) is pretty great. Was nominated for a Hugo award IIRC.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uTRUQ-RKfUs

Got about three and half minutes in before the eye-rolling and groaning.

I stand by what I always say- if the Hobbit trilogy had come out right after Lord of the Rings in ‘04, ‘05, and ‘06, we’d be hearing about how great “the six Middle-earth movies are!”

Nearly every single complaint I hear about The Hobbit can be applied to LotR, but people don’t seem to care about that because..? I really don’t know.

I blame nostalgia and the overall more jadedness of society that happened in those nine years between Return of the King and An Unexpected Journey.

[gates70]

When I first saw The Hobbit I was disappointed because I was expecting another LOTR. Once I changed my mindset and saw all 3 extended movies in the series, I loved them.

[zw94]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'd love to see them in HFR but I wonder how 48 will fit into 60 and still look as smooth as it should. I reckon they'll be simple upscales of the 2K24 masters.

Why can't they just put the 48fps versions on the disc?

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by zw94

Why can't they just put the 48fps versions on the disc?

Because nobody's TVs could play them.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

Got about three and half minutes in before the eye-rolling and groaning.

I stand by what I always say- if the Hobbit trilogy had come out right after Lord of the Rings in ‘04, ‘05, and ‘06, we’d be hearing about how great “the six Middle-earth movies are!”

Nearly every single complaint I hear about The Hobbit can be applied to LotR, but people don’t seem to care about that because..? I really don’t know.

I blame nostalgia and the overall more jadedness of society that happened in those nine years between Return of the King and An Unexpected Journey.

I don't think so...Tolkien fans were very happy with the LOTR for the most part, with a little grousing about alterations. It took three films to tell the books. Exact opposite with The Hobbit. People were hoping for an adaptation of The Hobbit, they didn't want it padded out to the point it became unrecognizable. I think Tolkien fans would have been just as upset, say, in 2005 than they were in 2012.

[HDMan72]

Great announcement although I'll be keeping my 3D versions to go along with the 4K releases.

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I don't think so...Tolkien fans were very happy for the most part, with a little grousing about alterations. It took three films to tell the books. Exact opposite with The Hobbit. People were hoping for an adaptation of The Hobbit, they didn't want it padded out to the point it became unrecognizable. I think Tolkien fans would have been just as upset, say, in 2005 than they were in 2012.

I don’t know about that. I remember endless complaining about Two Towers (especially) and Return of the King. Fellowship (which IS the best movie for sure) seemed universally loved though.

[LoSouL]

Can't wait. LotR too.

I'd love to see the HFR on these too, but don't know about 48 to 60 conversion methods to match the UHD spec either.

[zw94]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Because nobody's TVs could play them.

4K TVs have support for 24, 30, and 60, but not 48?

(I don't own a 4K TV just yet, so this is all new to me.)

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by zw94

4K TVs have support for 24, 30, and 60, but not 48?

(I don't own a 4K TV just yet, so this is all new to me.)

Yeah. NTSC TVs are 60Hz by nature, and old PAL TVs are 50Hz. When you stray from multiples of 60, or even numbers that can be broken down from 60, judder becomes more noticeable- look at video games with uncapped frame rates below 60 fps but above 30 on a TV.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by zw94

4K TVs have support for 24, 30, and 60, but not 48?

With very rare exception, yes.

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by professorwho

Yeah. NTSC TVs are 60Hz by nature, and old PAL TVs are 50Hz. When you stray from multiples of 60, or even numbers that can be broken down from 60, judder becomes more noticeable- look at video games with uncapped frame rates below 60 fps but above 30 on a TV.

I've been wondering lately what G sync monitors would do for 24 fps content and motion, or if the technology can only interpret and adapt to computational output. Not currently a PC gamer, but I know of G sync.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

I don’t know about that. I remember endless complaining about Two Towers (especially) and Return of the King. Fellowship (which IS the best movie for sure) seemed universally loved though.

People who are content rarely get on-line to talk about how happy they are about something. People don't get on a soapbox and say, "Things are well!" They get on a soapbox to gripe. This skews perceptions from time to time.

[Vangeli]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

Got about three and half minutes in before the eye-rolling and groaning.

I stand by what I always say- if the Hobbit trilogy had come out right after Lord of the Rings in ‘04, ‘05, and ‘06, we’d be hearing about how great “the six Middle-earth movies are!”

Nearly every single complaint I hear about The Hobbit can be applied to LotR, but people don’t seem to care about that because..? I really don’t know.

I blame nostalgia and the overall more jadedness of society that happened in those nine years between Return of the King and An Unexpected Journey.

The first video breaks down the movies in comparison to the source material and the LotR movies, the second they travel to New Zealand and do interviews and break down the behind the scenes Studio tomfoolery, and the third they interrogate how the Hobbit production completely screwed over New Zealand from politics to unions. It’s a pretty great documentary.

[imsounoriginal]

I remember reading about the fallout in NZ after Hobbit wrapped. Will check out that part of the documentary later to learn more about it. Don't particularly care to re-watch/re-litigate all the complaints about "butt da bewk wuz so shawrt y da moovies so loong?" or the stuff about the studio somehow interfering by letting Jackson do whatever he wanted.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by GenPion

I hope this is with the HFR presentation (even though it would be 60 FPS). Never got to see it this way for myself when these played in theaters.

Please nooooo!...I HIGHLY dislike the soap opera look.

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

Please nooooo!...I HIGHLY dislike the soap opera look.

Motion smoothing TV options look like a soap opera, but I've never seen a soap opera that looked like Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk.

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

The Hobbit was near 9 hours long and the only times I was even remotely engaged was;
1. When Bilbo meets Gollum.
2. When Bilbo meets Smaug.

Two scenes in NINE hours.

So the book is 11 hours long.