Star Trek: Generations 4K UHD (1994)

[Geoff D]

I’ve always liked it out of nostalgia as it was the first Trek movie I saw at the cinema, but although it’s got some good set pieces it feels like an extended episode of the show and not in a good way, it’s like those action bits have just been bolted on. That feeling extends to Dennis McCarthy’s music too, it’s okay but it’s easily the blandest score in the entire Trek movie oeuvre.

But I do still enjoy it and can’t wait to see them all on UHD.

[Snikt]

You know, as many times as I’ve watched this one, the Nexus still confuses me. I know what it is, but can they just choose to leave whenever they want? Is that correct?

[Jbabler]

Originally Posted by Snikt

You know, as many times as I’ve watched this one, the Nexus still confuses me. I know what it is, but can they just choose to leave whenever they want? Is that correct?

It's best not to think about it. It's a MacGuffin/plot device like The Island in Lost.

It sets up the scenario, but it's not really that important as to how it works - and no, it really doesn't. The criticisms about "well why doesn't Picard just choose a time where it's easier to stop Sauron" are valid. But, for me, I can suspend my disbelief far enough that it works for me.

Set sails at stuns'l!

[Lope de Aguirre]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I’ve always liked it out of nostalgia as it was the first Trek movie I saw at the cinema, but although it’s got some good set pieces it feels like an extended episode of the show and not in a good way, it’s like those action bits have just been bolted on. That feeling extends to Dennis McCarthy’s music too, it’s okay but it’s easily the blandest score in the entire Trek movie oeuvre.

But I do still enjoy it and can’t wait to see them all on UHD.

The lamest score to me is the one for "The Voyage Home".
I really like the score of "Generations" and the movie itself too despite it's flaws.
It's the only one with the Enterprise D and the more colored uniforms and is visually one of the most beautiful of all the Trek films.

[Snikt]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

The lamest score to me is the one for "The Voyage Home".
I really like the score of "Generations" and the movie itself too despite it's flaws.
It's the only one with the Enterprise D and the more colored uniforms and is visually one of the most beautiful of all the Trek films.

I do get a kick out of the ever changing starfleet uniforms in this one . They go from TNG to Voyeger and back again

[Lope de Aguirre]

Originally Posted by Snikt

I do get a kick out of the ever changing starfleet uniforms in this one . They go from TNG to Voyeger and back again

From TNG to (early) DS9 and back again.
Voyager hasn't started at that point.

[Snikt]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

From TNG to (early) DS9 and back again.
Voyager hasn't started at that point.

Ah yes, thank you. I knew they weren’t the same ones from TNG through the whole movie.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

The lamest score to me is the one for "The Voyage Home".
I really like the score of "Generations" and the movie itself too despite it's flaws.
It's the only one with the Enterprise D and the more colored uniforms and is visually one of the most beautiful of all the Trek films.

Hot take: I never liked the big D. It's the ugliest main Trek ship there's ever been IMO and although they tried to tart it up for da big screen I wasn't sorry to see it go. Cool crash scene though. And the alternate uniforms were just stolen from DS9 because they junked the new ones they were going to use. As for the music, McCarthy doesn't break it out of the sonic wallpaper approach to scoring the respective series that he did. By necessity the music for the shows isn't at masterpiece level because it had to be cranked out every week, not that I'm saying the Generations score had to be an all-timer, but at the same that's what makes it feel more like a big episode of the show. In fact everything I've said is what contributes to that feeling for me: same ship, same uniforms, same composer.

I mean, I love TNG so the 'big episode' critique is admittedly a bit silly and I do still enjoy the film, it just doesn't quite do enough to truly break out from the show. Heck, when it does it feels like it was written by people who'd never seen the show before, even though it was written by long-term TNG alumni. It's what makes it weirdly off-kilter to me, as so much stuff is so samey but other stuff is pushed to extremes like Data's emotions and Picard's emotions. And I'll never stop shouting "rotate the damned shield frequencies like you've done a hundred times before!!" at the screen when the Duras sisters attack the ship.

Originally Posted by Jbabler

It's best not to think about it. It's a MacGuffin/plot device like The Island in Lost.

It sets up the scenario, but it's not really that important as to how it works - and no, it really doesn't. The criticisms about "well why doesn't Picard just choose a time where it's easier to stop Sauron" are valid. But, for me, I can suspend my disbelief far enough that it works for me.

Set sails at stuns'l!

One phase discriminator to rule them all

[harry o]

Always loved the "bridge on the captain" joke back in the day.

[tuffy]

A lot of Generations feels like the writers have a checklist of changes they've been saving up for the film and are dutifully checking them off as it goes.

• Get Data some emotions
• Destroy the familiar (if unsightly) Enterprise-D
• Give Kirk a final sendoff
• ..and so on

So the actual story about yet another weird Time-Space Anomaly Thing (that the show had done plenty of times before) feels secondary to hitting those boxes.

It does look very pretty and I can't hate it too much, but it just seems like less than the sum of its parts.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by Jbabler

It's best not to think about it. It's a MacGuffin/plot device like The Island in Lost.

It sets up the scenario, but it's not really that important as to how it works - and no, it really doesn't. The criticisms about "well why doesn't Picard just choose a time where it's easier to stop Sauron" are valid. But, for me, I can suspend my disbelief far enough that it works for me.

Set sails at stuns'l!

Why didn't Sauron just exit the Nexus when his family were still alive, and move them away before the Borg invasion? So then he wouldn't have had to cause all the destruction in the first place.

You could argue if he did that, he wouldn't be there to do the thing that prevents it so it would all happen again. It doesn't hold water as a counter argument though, because that can't be since that would also mean because Picard never gets into the Nexus in the new timeline, so he wouldn't be there to go back in time to stop Sauron in the first place. Since he did both stay out of the Nexus and stop Sauron, the paradox argument against Sauron doing as I suggest can't be valid.

Or, maybe Picard is still in the Nexus, and everything after for him is all illusion. But even if he did get out, he's also still in there are well since Guinan is in both too.

So Kirk is also still in the Nexus, only one is dead. It's just that the one that is left can only exist as part of the Nexus now.

Or if Picard never got out, was Kirk dying just an illusion to him and Kirk is still very much alive in the Nexus?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

Why didn't Sauron just exit the Nexus when his family were still alive, and move them away before the Borg invasion? So then he wouldn't have had to cause all the destruction in the first place.

You could argue if he did that, he wouldn't be there to do the thing that prevents it so it would all happen again. It doesn't hold water as a counter argument though, because that can't be since that would also mean because Picard never gets into the Nexus in the new timeline, so he wouldn't be there to go back in time to stop Sauron in the first place. Since he did both stay out of the Nexus and stop Sauron, the paradox argument against Sauron doing as I suggest can't be valid.

Or, maybe Picard is still in the Nexus, and everything after is all illusion. But even if he did get out, he's also still in there are well since Guinan is in both too.

So Kirk is also still in the Nexus, only one is dead. It's just that the one that is left can only exist as part of the Nexus now.

[CaptainYoda]

All Dr Soran had to do, was watch the Blu-Ray of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and pay close attention to the scene where Spock takes a space suit with a jetpack attached to it to fly deeper into V'Ger, and then get one of those suits and use that to fly right into the path of the Nexus! Problem solved!!

There are parts of this movie that were pretty good though. The space battle was kind of silly. The Enterprise should have fired way more torpedoes at the Bird of Prey than they actually did. But the crash sequence was super cool.

[Temp_Money]

Originally Posted by CaptainYoda

All Dr Soran had to do, was watch the Blu-Ray of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and pay close attention to the scene where Spock takes a space suit with a jetpack attached to it to fly deeper into V'Ger, and then get one of those suits and use that to fly right into the path of the Nexus! Problem solved!!

There are parts of this movie that were pretty good though. The space battle was kind of silly. The Enterprise should have fired way more torpedoes at the Bird of Prey than they actually did. But the crash sequence was super cool.

no spacesuit working, nexus only destorying, why move into planet

[GrouchoFan]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

Why didn't Sauron just exit the Nexus when his family were still alive, and move them away before the Borg invasion? So then he wouldn't have had to cause all the destruction in the first place.

You could argue if he did that, he wouldn't be there to do the thing that prevents it so it would all happen again. It doesn't hold water as a counter argument though, because that can't be since that would also mean because Picard never gets into the Nexus in the new timeline, so he wouldn't be there to go back in time to stop Sauron in the first place. Since he did both stay out of the Nexus and stop Sauron, the paradox argument against Sauron doing as I suggest can't be valid.

Or, maybe Picard is still in the Nexus, and everything after for him is all illusion. But even if he did get out, he's also still in there are well since Guinan is in both too.

So Kirk is also still in the Nexus, only one is dead. It's just that the one that is left can only exist as part of the Nexus now.

Or if Picard never got out, was Kirk dying just an illusion to him and Kirk is still very much alive in the Nexus?

Great minds think alike.

Generations is a mess.

[Lord Method Man]

Originally Posted by CaptainYoda

All Dr Soran had to do, was watch the Blu-Ray of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and pay close attention to the scene where Spock takes a space suit with a jetpack attached to it to fly deeper into V'Ger, and then get one of those suits and use that to fly right into the path of the Nexus! Problem solved!!

Too many plot holes in this film to even try.

He really could have just flown into it with a ship. The ships get destroyed but obviously the occupants get pulled into the Nexus.

The El Aurians were in the Nexus until they were "ripped" out by Scotty, hence Soren's anger.

Kirk entered the Nexus when the Enterprise-B flew near it.

[Deciazulado]

Star Trek VII: Generations 4K Blu-ray

might dissapear

This should be the box set

Star Trek Next Generation Movie Collection 4K Blu-ray

[RalphoR]

Generations might be a mess but it's a very entertaining mess. Hope somebody releases a 4k steelbook with the original poster art.

[Pagey123]

Originally Posted by Lord Method Man

Too many plot holes in this film to even try.

He really could have just flown into it with a ship. The ships get destroyed but obviously the occupants get pulled into the Nexus.

The El Aurians were in the Nexus until they were "ripped" out by Scotty, hence Soren's anger.

Kirk entered the Nexus when the Enterprise-B flew near it.

Ah, yes, but it's far more difficult to pull someone out when they enter via a destroyed planet!
/The More You Know
/Logic

[mikesncc1701]

If I remember, Braga and Moore even acknowledge the conundrum that is the Nexus in their commentary and blatantly admit that they could have had Picard catch Soran with his pants down in the bathroom but it wouldn't have been as exciting.

And speaking of exciting, the missle lock explosion that Soran eats it in is one of the ****ing coolest explosions on film. Just brutal as all shit at the end of that wonderful crescendo from McCarthy.