has anybody seen the new panasonic plasmas yet?

[MaleManGuy]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

Don't get me wrong, I love it when companies like Pioneer and Panasonic compete for better products, good for us consumers. But until anyone credible has actually compared the 8G Pioneer with the 11G Panasonic, the statements above are pure speculation. Anyways, I want to see a Kuro Elite vs. 800/850 series comparo. If the 800/850 are anywhere close to the Kuro Elite I might get one for my bedroom.

It's likely the blacks will be blacker on the new panasonic lineup. It's hard to find published contrast ratios for the Kuro... but I managed to find one retail store that put it at 20,000 - which I think is generous for the Kuro. 30,000 on the panasonic ought to make it look pretty bright ;-) I enjopy my PZ750U... I love the natural skin tone colors and more... it's just amazing. Skin tones tend to look so washed out on just about all LCD's I've seen... the panasonics are awesome. I am considering selling my 2 month old plasma to get a new panasonic! call me an upgrade freak..lol... but I will at least check them out first.

[Beefbowl]

Originally Posted by omgitsmikeyc

the 2008 model th50pz850u and 80u.... over 1 mil dynamic contrast, 20k or 30k native... the plasma gods have arrived... whats your opinions?

what's the difference between 800 and the 85 in the 42 inch version? I need a reason to spend $500 more for the 800 version. lol.

[cat]

i think this will help:

This year, Panasonic 's VIERA Plasma 1080p series feature a new panel with increased contrast ratio and an improved anti-reflective screen, a Game Mode, VIERA Link(TM), increased luminous efficiency, lead free panels and 100,000 hours to half brightness and 24p.


The VIERA PZ80 series introduces the new 46-inch class display -- the TH-46PZ80 -- to the 2008 line, that includes three screen sizes, all with 1080p resolution. The 42 inch class TH-42PZ80 and the 50-inch class TH-50PZ80 complete the PZ80 series and feature Game Mode, VIERA Link, an SD Memory Card slot, HDMI connections and an improved native contrast ratio of 20,000:1. . The Game Mode minimizes the time lag when displaying game images on the Plasma screen. The Mode synchronizes the response of the game image to the player's operation, thereby producing an extremely clear image with no motion artifacts. VIERA Link allows the consumer to operate all VIERA Link equipped components with a singe remote.


The VIERA PZ85 series includes three screen sizes, all with 1080p resolution - the 42-inch class TH-42PZ85, the 46-inch class TH-46PZ85 and the 50-inch class TH-50PZ85. These full HD Plasma televisions feature an improved native contrast ratio of 30,000:1; Game Mode; VIERA Link; an SD memory Card slot and a PC input. In addition, the speakers are now hidden in the front.


The VIERA PZ800 series of 1080p Plasma televisions includes four screen sizes, the 42-inch class TH-42PZ800, the 46-inch class TH-46PZ800, the 50-inch class TH-50PZ800 and the 58-inch class TH-58PZ800. The PZ800 series meets the THX™ Certified Display specifications, signifying the highest standards of performance and quality. The PZ800 Plasma televisions feature an improved native contrast ratio of 30,000:1; Game Mode; VIERA Link; a PC Input, four HDMI connections and an all new one sheet of glass design concept.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Beefbowl

what's the difference between 800 and the 85 in the 42 inch version? I need a reason to spend $500 more for the 800 version. lol.

The -800 models will support 48Hz refresh rate for 1080p24 sources, avoiding 3:2 pulldown.

The -85 series do not.

[JonCPaul]

I saw the Panasonic TH-50PZ850U at CES it was very clear but not quite as black as the Pioneer Prototype but close engough not to be bothered by the black level difference.. They were using the Blu-Ray copy of Sunshine to demo how black the blacks were on screen.

[celsior360]

I havn't own a plasma before. How can I prevent it from buring the screen if I local TV channel always show it logo? As I read in previous articles, the screen has impoved a lot so that it won't get burn mark?

Will this new model get burn mark as well if I didn't change the channel for too long??

thanks for your advices.
celsior

[Chevypower]

Celsior 360, Uninformed people will tell you, new plasma panels just don't burn (with no explanation). That is partly true, but it's only because the pixels are moving to avoid doing that. Apparently it is not noticable. They say the problem is solved, I would still make sure every part of the screen gets color changes every few hours (particularly where black bars for aspect ratio are present) You don't need to do that with LCDs and OLEDs. http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...tv-burnin.html

[celsior360]

Originally Posted by Chevypower

Celsior 360, Uninformed people will tell you, new plasma panels just don't burn (with no explanation). That is partly true, but it's only because the pixels are moving to avoid doing that. Apparently it is not noticable. They say the problem is solved, I would still make sure every part of the screen gets color changes every few hours (particularly where black bars for aspect ratio are present) You don't need to do that with LCDs and OLEDs. http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/p...tv-burnin.html

Chevy Power, thanks for your infomation. Let me study more before planning to get it!! Currently, I am just using a Sony LCD, but it's not full Hd and so was planning to get it before Olympic game!! since people saying in the fourm that plasma need more advance technology and LCD can have a bigger profit margin.

[Chevypower]

I wouldn't worry, I still want to get a Panasonic PZ800 plasma when it comes out, but it's just something to bear in mind, that plasma technology wasn't given a magic cure, and some people on this forum still believe plasma phosphor burn to be a complete myth (as one thread title, even suggests). That is just garbage. In all fairness, they have come along way since the first plasma TVs, and burn-in is a lot more preventable.

[celsior360]

I am like you and want to get the PZ800 model. But u know, the tv it's a long term invesment so I am just doing some careful about research. I know this is their 11th Generation and I am confident that this is one of the best plasma they will ever produce. Hope it comes out soon!!

[Sonny]

chevy at least own a plasma before you decide to be come the expert , take it from a TRUE owner, if you treat your plasma right you will have NO burn-in problems . Every plasma owner on here will tell you how it works.

[Beefbowl]

Originally Posted by celsior360

I am like you and want to get the PZ800 model. But u know, the tv it's a long term invesment so I am just doing some careful about research. I know this is their 11th Generation and I am confident that this is one of the best plasma they will ever produce. Hope it comes out soon!!

what are the 800's suppose to be out?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Chevypower

I wouldn't worry, I still want to get a Panasonic PZ800 plasma when it comes out, but it's just something to bear in mind, that plasma technology wasn't given a magic cure, and some people on this forum still believe plasma phosphor burn to be a complete myth (as one thread title, even suggests). That is just garbage. In all fairness, they have come along way since the first plasma TVs, and burn-in is a lot more preventable.

Actually what most people believe is that only a complete idiot has the lack of capacity to actually cause burn-in on current models.

If you can't burn-in your CRT, you're not going to burn in your plasma, it's as simple as that.

If you want to leave a station test screen on your plasma for 2 weeks while you pop off and visit Grandma, then you get what you deserve. For all intents and purposes, burn-in on plasma is no longer an issue.

What plasma do you own?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Beefbowl

what are the 800's suppose to be out?

Next couple weeks.

[celsior360]

does Panasonic release something like dvd break in? From my understanding on the net, this dvd just help before the plasma run in. But does this dvd keep track of how much time it run? coz I don't have any concept with it!! thanks everyone!!

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by celsior360

does Panasonic release something like dvd break in? From my understanding on the net, this dvd just help before the plasma run in. But does this dvd keep track of how much time it run? coz I don't have any concept with it!! thanks everyone!!

The disc runs for a specified time, so you can keep track simply of how many times you've played the disc.

Panasonic doesn't make a break-in disc, nor does any other company as far as I know. It's simply a convenient tool.

[Chevypower]

Originally Posted by Sonny

chevy at least own a plasma before you decide to be come the expert , take it from a TRUE owner, if you treat your plasma right you will have NO burn-in problems . Every plasma owner on here will tell you how it works.

Oh yes, sorry Sonny, you are the only TRUE owner of a plasma, I am imagining things when i look at an NEC PlasmaSync 50 inch flat pannel and see faint TV network logo in the bottom corner, it really is a CRT and I am not wealthy like you Sonny. I must be a FALSE owner lol. Actually I am now, because i left that in Australia when i moved over here to the US. I also have worked in the industry since 2002. I bet you have been an expert on HD plasma TVs since the 60s though.

Originally Posted by dobyblue

If you want to leave a station test screen on your plasma for 2 weeks while you pop off and visit Grandma, then you get what you deserve. For all intents and purposes, burn-in on plasma is no longer an issue.

It was back in 2003, when not much was being broadcast in HD, and there was a test loop HD (on the HD channel) from the TV stations to fill in when the show was not available in HD, the network logo appeared in the bottom corner, but there was no commercial break where the logo was removed for a period of time. It was an ex demo TV, got it a little cheaper for $15,000 at the time, knowing it had the slight burn in, you can only see it when the whole screen in white.

There is some proof for you Celsior, these guys want you to believe the new plasmas are "magic". I am not saying the new ones will burn in with normal use, in fact, I would be surprised if it did. That's why I will probably buy the PZ800 plasma. I am just open to the possibility that they can, if for example you fell asleep, leaving a paused image on the screen (which I have done, the movie finished, and the DVD player left that Sony logo on, which didnt move for some reason - lucky that didnt burn in). I could find you plenty of references backing up what I said that the new plasma TVs avoid phosphor burn by pixel shifting. I am not surprised that these "experts" like Sonny and Dobyblue haven't come up with their version of why modern plasma TVs don't cause phosphor burn. Their reason is "you don't own one, so you wouldn't know." That's the kind of reasoning you give when you are in kindergarten.

[Joe Cain]

Chevy---calling someone an idiot doesn't mark you as an expert in anything except being rude.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by Chevypower

It was back in 2003, when not much was being broadcast in HD, and there was a test loop HD (on the HD channel) from the TV stations to fill in when the show was not available in HD, the network logo appeared in the bottom corner, but there was no commercial break where the logo was removed for a period of time. It was an ex demo TV, got it a little cheaper for $15,000 at the time, knowing it had the slight burn in, you can only see it when the whole screen in white.

There is some proof for you Celsior, these guys want you to believe the new plasmas are "magic".

So basically, you're asserting that current plasma TVs are as susceptible to burn in as plasma TVs from 2003 were? Seems like your knowledge isn't very up to date. If you're going to call people idiots, may I suggest that you become more familiar with the subject matter first?

[Chevypower]

Originally Posted by richteer

So basically, you're asserting that current plasma TVs are as susceptible to burn in as plasma TVs from 2003 were? Seems like your knowledge isn't very up to date. If you're going to call people idiots, may I suggest that you become more familiar with the subject matter first?

I assume you read my post before that, where i indicated the new ones use pixel shifting and burn-resistant phosphor to reduce it's chances of burning? So, in knowing you read and understood that's what I said, I would presume you would know that I am NOT SAYING "they are as susceptible to burn in as plasma TVs from 2003 were." You are right though, I shouldn't have called anyone an idiot.
Sonny I apologize for that, I shouldn't have said it.

What I am trying to say is, I am not 100% convinced that the new ones are 100% burn proof, lets say you left it on long enough (I am not saying you are going to) LCD and OLED wont burn in. Plasma still looks better than LCD, i would buy a plasma today. OLED isnt cheap and big enough yet. Let's move on...