Onkyo 605 vs 805

[aqupunk]

Originally Posted by ILLSQUAD2G

Hello, as far as the scaler in the 875 and the stretching goes. If I set my TV to Natural or Native the picture does get stretched (even though the 875 is set to 16:9)

My LCD TV Toshiba 42" 1080p Regza has a 4:3 HD screen mode which makes the picture 4:3 (unstretched)

As far as I can tell the TV has the final say of the picture being either 4:3/16:9 when upscaling the 480i/p 4:3 picture.

So if your Sony has a 4:3 setting then you should be OK
If not and you (same as me) cant stand the 4:3 picture being stretched then I really would not recommend the 875. But if you're Sony (like my Toshiba) has a 4:3 setting as one of the picture layout setting modes then you should be fine with an 875. Hope this helps you out

Yeah my tv does have have the option to strech or not so good the 875 won't force it to.
How do you feel about the upscaled 480i sources do they look better or just magnified the imperfections? How about hd cable at 1080i are they alot better looking to?

[ILLSQUAD2G]

Sorry I forgot to mention that in regards to the Brightness/Contrast issues I am sure that you have read about.

The newly shipped 875's have an updated Firmware that adds full control over the REON processing.

Brightness, Contrast,Saturation,Hue,Picture mode (Video,Film,Auto) Edge Enhancement, and various Noise Reductions.

I would ask that you have a look at the ONKYO 875 owners thread located @ WWW.AVSFORUM.COM that is where I did most of my research before buying. It is now probably well over 100+ pages of users reviews/opinions and any and all problems there are or that people may have. You will more likely find a user there that has a Sony LCD and an 875 that could quickly check for you about the 4:3 stretching issue

805 forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=857502

875 forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=876635

Just be sure if you by an 875 that the FW version is 1.04 or above. You can quickly check by plugging the unit in power it on and then

1. press and hold "display" then while pressing display press the "power/standby" button. (both located on the actual unit NOT the remote)

2.hold "display" on the remote for about 5+seconds and if the word brightness comes up on the UNITS MAIN display then it has REON control and newer FW version 1.04 or higher.

This info and the forum links supplied should give you everything and more of the answers you need.

[aqupunk]

Originally Posted by ILLSQUAD2G

Sorry I forgot to mention that in regards to the Brightness/Contrast issues I am sure that you have read about.

The newly shipped 875's have an updated Firmware that adds full control over the REON processing.

Brightness, Contrast,Saturation,Hue,Picture mode (Video,Film,Auto) Edge Enhancement, and various Noise Reductions.

I would ask that you have a look at the ONKYO 875 owners thread located @ WWW.AVSFORUM.COM that is where I did most of my research before buying. It is now probably well over 100+ pages of users reviews/opinions and any and all problems there are or that people may have. You will more likely find a user there that has a Sony LCD and an 875 that could quickly check for you about the 4:3 stretching issue

805 forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=857502

875 forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=876635

Just be sure if you by an 875 that the FW version is 1.04 or above. You can quickly check by plugging the unit in power it on and then

1. press and hold "display" then while pressing display press the "power/standby" button. (both located on the actual unit NOT the remote)

2.hold "display" on the remote for about 5+seconds and if the word brightness comes up on the UNITS MAIN display then it has REON control and newer FW version 1.04 or higher.

This info and the forum links supplied should give you everything and more of the answers you need.

Thanks I'll check it out!

[maseo503]

Originally Posted by maseo503

thats incorrect...
the 805 will upconvert to hdmi ...but it will not upscale to 1080p.
the 875 does both...

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

Uhhh... I don't get it. What's the diff.

I've never heard of HDMI being used as a resolution/presentation moniker...

Please clarify???

it can be confusing as companies use the terms too loosely...
basically upscaling changes the resolution (480 to 720, 480 to 1080, 720 to 1080, etc.)

upconverting changes the carrier signal (rca to s-video to component, or hdmi) it can also change the input interlaced to progressive output...

as for the 805 vs 875 and its upscaler... one has to consider their current and future source components... the bennies of the 875 would most be appreciated by the enthusiast who has a 720p or 1080p HDTV but still wants to enjoy all his old analog video material, (vhs-vcr, nintendo-sega-ps2, laserdisc, dvd player, etc). if all you have is a dvd collection, you'd probably be better off with the 805 and a upconverting dvd player (preferably with a reon chip) or blu-ray/hd-dvd player. And even that isnt needed as some of the higher-end HDTVs have very good upscalers built-in...

[Tyler2106]

I don't get how you came upon comparing the 605 with the 805...of course the 805 is going to be a much better receiver in terms of sound quality and input/outputs...if you budget allows you to get the 805 then go ahead...I think it depends on what kind of speakers you have and how many HDMI inputs you will need...if you won't need more then 2 get the 605... more then 2 get the 805...you really need help on how to find out which receiver is best for YOU and what to look for in a receiver!!!

[Kuraudo]

Originally Posted by red_5ive

805 has 192K/24 bit Burr-brown DACs. That should be ample reason.

Bingo. I'm set.
If i like something I Can't afford, it just means I have to wait a little longer, thats all.

[Bango]

Originally Posted by Tyler2106

I don't get how you came upon comparing the 605 with the 805...of course the 805 is going to be a much better receiver in terms of sound quality and input/outputs...if you budget allows you to get the 805 then go ahead...I think it depends on what kind of speakers you have and how many HDMI inputs you will need...if you won't need more then 2 get the 605... more then 2 get the 805...you really need help on how to find out which receiver is best for YOU and what to look for in a receiver!!!

Well seems like this is back to my original question...I originally bought a Harman Kardon HTIB...7.1 channels. Now, I do live in a condo...so I'm not even sure that I could ever even use the full 130w power advantage from the 805....the only other thing that I WOULD notice would be the difference in HDMI inputs...again, i'm just a novice at this whole Audio/Video thing...and it seems a lot of people are using very technical words that I'm not fully understanding. Currently I have my ps3 and HD-DVR hooked up to my receiver...which occupies the two inputs. If I would want a third....do you think I should just get the 705? I just can't see why I would spend more than double for the 805 for an extra input and extra 40w per channel that I"ll probably never be able to use (without my neighbors banging on my door) I mean I thought I could use an HDMI switcher, but I heard about a lot of onkyo receivers having an issue with switchers.

[HAMP]

I have the 605 and have been debating on going higher, there is nothing wrong with the unit I have. I just kinda feel left out with some of the features the 605 has been limited to.

1. I doubt if I ever really use the full 130 watts myself, but being able to have more crisp power with lower volume then the 605 distortion at highier volume(not that there is really any distortion, but you get what im saying )

2. Yes the THX Ultra2 Cert, had alot to do with it

3. 192khz/24-bit Burr Brown DAC(not even sure what this is, but seen to many people love the idea of it)

4. Neural THX Surround decoder for gaming was part also.

So I ordered the 805 This morning, should be here by the end of the week

[Tyler2106]

Originally Posted by Bango

Well seems like this is back to my original question...I originally bought a Harman Kardon HTIB...7.1 channels. Now, I do live in a condo...so I'm not even sure that I could ever even use the full 130w power advantage from the 805....the only other thing that I WOULD notice would be the difference in HDMI inputs...again, i'm just a novice at this whole Audio/Video thing...and it seems a lot of people are using very technical words that I'm not fully understanding. Currently I have my ps3 and HD-DVR hooked up to my receiver...which occupies the two inputs. If I would want a third....do you think I should just get the 705? I just can't see why I would spend more than double for the 805 for an extra input and extra 40w per channel that I"ll probably never be able to use (without my neighbors banging on my door) I mean I thought I could use an HDMI switcher, but I heard about a lot of onkyo receivers having an issue with switchers.

I wouldn't buy a receiver because of the wattage...I think that is a lose number...you need to get the receiver that fits you...has the input/outputs you need and the features you may want...saying that...if you may need a third HDMI input I would really look into the 705 more then the 805...it is tough to compare a basic almost low end reciever (605) to one of Onkyos best receiver(805)...I think the 705 would fit you best...hope this helps you out...and if you get a Onkyo receiver I have heard they run hot so if they do you might want to think about running a little fan over it when it is on...

[maseo503]

Originally Posted by HAMP

I have the 605 and have been debating on going higher, there is nothing wrong with the unit I have. I just kinda feel left out with some of the features the 605 has been limited to.

1. I doubt if I ever really use the full 130 watts myself, but being able to have more crisp power with lower volume then the 605 distortion at highier volume(not that there is really any distortion, but you get what im saying )

2. Yes the THX Ultra2 Cert, had alot to do with it

3. 192khz/24-bit Burr Brown DAC(not even sure what this is, but seen to many people love the idea of it)

4. Neural THX Surround decoder for gaming was part also.

So I ordered the 805 This morning, should be here by the end of the week

1. you can never have too much power... the 805 has been bench-tested at delivering 165 watts with 5 channels driven.

2. dont rely on THX cert to much... it just simple states the receiver can play at reference levels in rooms up to 3000 cubic feet... there are receivers without the THX marking that can do the same or better

3. these are the digital to analog converters... BurrBrowns are widely considered the "audiophile" grade of DACs... introducing little or no artifacts into the signal chain during the conversion from 0s and 1s to current and voltage.

its been over a week... update on how you feel about the 805?!
sheesh...some people have no consideration for others...

[Skulltap]

For me, the difference in wattage would be the deciding factor, followed by the number of HDMI inputs, unit to unit. I do not currently own the 805, and have been eyeing the 705, TBH, but b/w these two, I would go 805 all the way.

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by maseo503

thats incorrect...
the 805 will upconvert to hdmi ...but it will not upscale to 1080p.
the 875 does both...

So if my PS3 does the upscale to 1080i/p for DVD's, will a 705 or 805 allow pass-through of the video signal to a 1080p TV?

[Mathus]

From my understanding the only way you would get full 1080p from the playstation is by plugging it directly into the tv. These recievers dont allow you to transfer full 1080p if you were to go from playstation to reciever to tv. So easy way around it is to go directly to the tv with your hdmi cable.

[tkusterb]

I'll weigh in.

I'm an 805 owner (watching the BD of "Sunshine" as I type this ... what a great A/V demo disc!) and am completely happy. I've got a 7.1 surround setup and have been blown away by the 7.1 BD's I've been able to experience ("Hairspray" and "3:10 to Yuma"). I use 2 of the HDMI ports (a Panny BD30 and a Toshiba HD-A3) and love the PQ on my 1080i direct-view Sony XBR960.

I picked up the unit for only $675 from Amazon, which I thought was a great deal.

[chasarms]

Originally Posted by Mathus

From my understanding the only way you would get full 1080p from the playstation is by plugging it directly into the tv. These recievers dont allow you to transfer full 1080p if you were to go from playstation to reciever to tv. So easy way around it is to go directly to the tv with your hdmi cable.

IF you go HDMI into the receiver and HDMI out to the display, it is a straight passthrough. If 1080p IN, then it is 1080p out.

[Go Blue]

Originally Posted by chasarms

IF you go HDMI into the receiver and HDMI out to the display, it is a straight passthrough. If 1080p IN, then it is 1080p out.

Is this also the case with 720p?

[Mathus]

Originally Posted by chasarms

IF you go HDMI into the receiver and HDMI out to the display, it is a straight passthrough. If 1080p IN, then it is 1080p out.

Ah my mistake i was thinking of the Downconverting of 1080i component video signals to 720p when outputting over HDMI. Which the 605 seems to have a problem with.