Is Predator Going To Be a 25GB disc? - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

DeeChizzle · 03-30-2008, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FEP3108

As always I will make up my own mind and not a review I dont let other people choose my movies and I could care less about extras

That's not what I meant. I already own the movie (Japanese version) and I'm very happy with it, however I anticipate that there will be many disappointed people after the US version is released. People will be blaming the poor PQ on the 25G disc and the MPEG2 encode when in reality neither are to blame.

Wicky hit it on the nail with his comment.

HeavyHitter · 03-30-2008, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

It has nothing to do with Fox, and everything to do with it being a low-budget, 1987 movie shot on location on cruddy film stock.

Yup. A lot of 80's movies have a similar low resolution, flat look from the film used during that time. I just watched Wall Street on BD and it comes to mind too (though it definitely looks better than the DVD!).

diamondfoxxx · 03-30-2008, 05:24 AM

Like Wicky said, it's gonna fall in the Robocop tier--a definite improvement over DVD, but not exactly in the Blade Runner tier either.
The colors are much bolder--specially the jungles look nice in this release. Grain is of course present, and fluctuates every so often. I'm satisfied with the release, because the DVD was horrible and I needed a decent copy of this movie in my collection.

Bobby Henderson · 03-30-2008, 05:51 AM

I'm sorry but the old "it's a 1980's movie so the resolution is low" excuse just doesn't wash.

Sure a lot of advancement in film stocks and camera systems has occurred since the 1980s. Nevertheless, a lot of movies made in the 1980's looked great in movie theaters and should look pretty great on Blu-ray as well. The problem is not enough effort is being put behind getting those movies encoded to the format. It sounds to me like this one just got pushed through a HD-quality telecine and given the "good enough" treatment. A good digital intermediate work flow using the original camera elements or best elements available would yield the best quality results. Also keep in mind, this was a movie that Fox supported with 70mm Dolby mag prints in its original release.

The description of this Predator single layer BD reminds me of how various "early adopters" of DVD were sold on various bare bones DVDs from 1997-1999. Remember those early DTS DVDs with the audio at "full" bit rate but devoid of any extras?

I have a copy of Predator on DVD, but I won't be buying this BD version. I'll wait for the BD double or triple dip before doing anything.

coachD · 03-30-2008, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullseye

As long as it looks and sounds good I really do not care if there are no extras on this title.

But Bullseye, is this old title with no extras and substandard PQ worth $27.95?

diamondfoxxx · 03-30-2008, 06:08 AM

I agree, but do you really think they would make the effort to go back to the original elements and send them through the DI workflow and present us with a new pristine version like Blade Runner? I don't think so. As far as I know only Ridley Scott bothered to do that--I know of no other director who puts as much effort when their films are presented for home video. I think this 'good enough' version of Predator will probably be the best we ever get.

dieheart · 03-30-2008, 06:54 AM

Unless they release a collectors edition, which would be the best thing to wait for.

lgans316 · 03-30-2008, 07:16 AM

List of upcoming FOX releases with ZERO to MINIMAL extras and lackluster PQ.

1) Ronin
2) Predator
3) Commando

zooyork_26 · 03-30-2008, 07:50 AM

who has the time to watch extras really..... i understand ppl whine about bare bones. i really could care less i mean i want the movie not gag reels. i got way to many things in life with movies,games,outdoor activities etc to cry about an extended version or useless commentaries

lgans316 · 03-30-2008, 10:15 AM

I don't care too much about extras but can't accept MPEG-2 encodes on BD-25 with lackluster PQ.

dieheart · 03-30-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by zooyork_26

who has the time to watch extras really..... i understand ppl whine about bare bones. i really could care less i mean i want the movie not gag reels. i got way to many things in life with movies,games,outdoor activities etc to cry about an extended version or useless commentaries

For movies that I know I will watch over and over again I like extras. Like Blade Runner, or T2. And the Predator DVD has awsome extra's so I dont see why the blu ray version doesn't.

And the low PQ is no excuse. If Blade Runner can do it, and still cost 30 bucks WITH 3 disc's of extra's, Then Predator can too!

frank_t · 03-30-2008, 12:14 PM

had to cancel this one on pre-order. for $27.95 at amazon, that's just too steep for a marginal improvement and no extras over the SD-DVD.

heck - i forgot I even pre-ordered this, so thanks to this thread for the reminder!

BTW - were there 2 or 3 predator movies? (not counting the alien vs predator movies which i have not seen and have no interest in). amazon recycles descriptions for the SD-DVD version, but had a little video clip option to view scenes from "all 3 predator movies".

dieheart · 03-30-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by frank_t

had to cancel this one on pre-order. for $27.95 at amazon, that's just too steep for a marginal improvement and no extras over the SD-DVD.

heck - i forgot I even pre-ordered this, so thanks to this thread for the reminder!

BTW - were there 2 or 3 predator movies? (not counting the alien vs predator movies which i have not seen and have no interest in). amazon recycles descriptions for the SD-DVD version, but had a little video clip option to view scenes from "all 3 predator movies".

There are only two movies. First is with Arny, the 2nd is with Gloover.

darkedgex · 03-30-2008, 09:59 PM

I'll be passing on this, even though I really like the movie. Maybe during a BOGO or other sale, but not at $27.95. Hopefully whenever they get around to Aliens it'll be AVC/BD50 with seamless branching...

BStecke · 03-30-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralph P.

Greetings,

I received it yesterday for review. MPEG-2 single layer BD-25....

I previewed it. Don't expect much form the video presentation. The DTS HD MA lossless isn't bad.

Regards,

I guess a question I should have asked previously . . . is the lackluster video because of its source or because the Blu-ray wasn't authored up to snuff? If the source is crap, a la Robocop, and this is truly the best presentation it will most likely have, then that's one thing. If it's a conscious choice by Fox to put out a sub-par product, that's quite another.

Clark Kent · 03-30-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BStecke

I guess a question I should have asked previously . . . is the lackluster video because of its source or because the Blu-ray wasn't authored up to snuff? If the source is crap, a la Robocop, and this is truly the best presentation it will most likely have, then that's one thing. If it's a conscious choice by Fox to put out a sub-par product, that's quite another.

Unless Fox was willing to make an major investment in restoring Predator with a full-blown Lowry restoration the source material is never going to look incredible like Blade Runner does currently. I will not be holding my breath for anything like that. But this upcoming release really should have been released a long time ago. I have no doubt we will see another Predator BD that betters the upcoming U.S. release at some distant time. The question one has to ask one's self is can you wait another two years before seeing Predator in HD.

Ralph P. · 03-30-2008, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BStecke

I guess a question I should have asked previously . . . is the lackluster video because of its source or because the Blu-ray wasn't authored up to snuff? If the source is crap, a la Robocop, and this is truly the best presentation it will most likely have, then that's one thing. If it's a conscious choice by Fox to put out a sub-par product, that's quite another.

Greetings,

It appears to be source related. I finished watching it this morning and will get the review posted either tomorrow or Tuesday.

Regards,

DetroitSportsFan · 03-31-2008, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ralph P.

Greetings,

It appears to be source related. I finished watching it this morning and will get the review posted either tomorrow or Tuesday.

Thanks Ralph.

I look forward to reading your review.

WickyWoo · 03-31-2008, 04:18 AM

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Unless Fox was willing to make an major investment in restoring Predator with a full-blown Lowry restoration the source material is never going to look incredible like Blade Runner does currently.

It will never look as good as Blade Runner

Apples and oranges

lgans316 · 03-31-2008, 05:57 AM

Check out the Reviews and Reaction Thread. It's indeed on a BD-25.

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03-30-2008, 05:24 AM	#23
diamondfoxxx Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:San Francisco Blu-ray collection:45 Blu-ray reviews: 36	Like Wicky said, it's gonna fall in the Robocop tier--a definite improvement over DVD, but not exactly in the Blade Runner tier either. The colors are much bolder--specially the jungles look nice in this release. Grain is of course present, and fluctuates every so often. I'm satisfied with the release, because the DVD was horrible and I needed a decent copy of this movie in my collection.

03-30-2008, 05:51 AM	#24
Bobby Henderson Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Oklahoma Blu-ray collection:96 Blu-ray reviews: 12	I'm sorry but the old "it's a 1980's movie so the resolution is low" excuse just doesn't wash. Sure a lot of advancement in film stocks and camera systems has occurred since the 1980s. Nevertheless, a lot of movies made in the 1980's looked great in movie theaters and should look pretty great on Blu-ray as well. The problem is not enough effort is being put behind getting those movies encoded to the format. It sounds to me like this one just got pushed through a HD-quality telecine and given the "good enough" treatment. A good digital intermediate work flow using the original camera elements or best elements available would yield the best quality results. Also keep in mind, this was a movie that Fox supported with 70mm Dolby mag prints in its original release. The description of this Predator single layer BD reminds me of how various "early adopters" of DVD were sold on various bare bones DVDs from 1997-1999. Remember those early DTS DVDs with the audio at "full" bit rate but devoid of any extras? I have a copy of Predator on DVD, but I won't be buying this BD version. I'll wait for the BD double or triple dip before doing anything.

03-30-2008, 06:08 AM	#26
diamondfoxxx Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:San Francisco Blu-ray collection:45 Blu-ray reviews: 36	I agree, but do you really think they would make the effort to go back to the original elements and send them through the DI workflow and present us with a new pristine version like Blade Runner? I don't think so. As far as I know only Ridley Scott bothered to do that--I know of no other director who puts as much effort when their films are presented for home video. I think this 'good enough' version of Predator will probably be the best we ever get.

03-30-2008, 06:54 AM	#27
dieheart Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Texas Blu-ray reviews:1	Unless they release a collectors edition, which would be the best thing to wait for.

03-30-2008, 07:16 AM	#28
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	List of upcoming FOX releases with ZERO to MINIMAL extras and lackluster PQ. 1) Ronin 2) Predator 3) Commando

03-30-2008, 07:50 AM	#29
zooyork_26 Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Wisconsin	who has the time to watch extras really..... i understand ppl whine about bare bones. i really could care less i mean i want the movie not gag reels. i got way to many things in life with movies,games,outdoor activities etc to cry about an extended version or useless commentaries

03-30-2008, 10:15 AM	#30
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	I don't care too much about extras but can't accept MPEG-2 encodes on BD-25 with lackluster PQ.

03-30-2008, 12:14 PM	#32
frank_t Senior Member Member since:Jul 2007	had to cancel this one on pre-order. for $27.95 at amazon, that's just too steep for a marginal improvement and no extras over the SD-DVD. heck - i forgot I even pre-ordered this, so thanks to this thread for the reminder! BTW - were there 2 or 3 predator movies? (not counting the alien vs predator movies which i have not seen and have no interest in). amazon recycles descriptions for the SD-DVD version, but had a little video clip option to view scenes from "all 3 predator movies".

03-30-2008, 09:59 PM	#34
darkedgex Active Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Washington State	I'll be passing on this, even though I really like the movie. Maybe during a BOGO or other sale, but not at $27.95. Hopefully whenever they get around to Aliens it'll be AVC/BD50 with seamless branching...

03-31-2008, 05:57 AM	#40
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	Check out the Reviews and Reaction Thread. It's indeed on a BD-25.

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