Steroids and baseball poll. Please vote!

[mgonzo2u]

Hitting a round ball with a round bat square in a fraction of a second is still the hardest feat in sports.

Steroids do not increase hand eye coordination.

It has not affected my love for baseball, little league to major league.

[Ferris]

Originally Posted by mgonzo2u

Hitting a round ball with a round bat square in a fraction of a second is still the hardest feat in sports.

Steroids do not increase hand eye coordination.

It has not affected my love for baseball, little league to major league.

Jose Canseco was talking about this on the Opie & Anthony show yesterday.

He had also mentioned he felt baseball wouldn't have "come back" the way it did during the "Home Run Chase" between Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa. That chase brought me back, that's for sure.

But you know, I still don't agree with guys doing it....

[Drewza89]

Originally Posted by The Don

HGH and Steroids does not improve you hand-eye coordination and does not improve your ability to field...

look at how big the players who use this stuff have gotten...

Barry Bonds lost speed and his ability to field, he used to be a gold golve and would be a 30-30 guy and he gave that up for pure power...

that's his decision, I guess...I think juicing up has impaired his ability to play and he was more useful to his team when he wasn't juiced up..

Jose Canseco became the first player to hit 40 home runs and steal 40 bases in a season. Steroids didn't slow him down. Bonds was into his thirties when he started juicing, so naturally he would start slowing down because of his age.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

I agree... but Roids didn't cause him to slow down.... he's an old man!

before he became "old" he lost maybe 2 steps when he blew up on roids...

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Drewza89

Jose Canseco became the first player to hit 40 home runs and steal 40 bases in a season. Steroids didn't slow him down. Bonds was into his thirties when he started juicing, so naturally he would start slowing down because of his age.

Canseco was a power hitter before he started juicing...

[PIHB]

i wouldnt say its the media. i think its the players. they are all self centered and only care about them selves. they dont need the money they get and have no reason to ask for more. if anything i think media is good because it counteracts their greedyness

[dakota81]

Originally Posted by The Don

Canseco was a power hitter before he started juicing...

Here's the first two lines from Canseco's book Juiced:

"I was really scared the first time I used steroids. It all started for me late in 1984 when I was twenty years old."

His first appearance in the majors was in 1985. Thus, he was juicing before he became a power hitter.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by dakota81

Here's the first two lines from Canseco's book Juiced:

"I was really scared the first time I used steroids. It all started for me late in 1984 when I was twenty years old."

His first appearance in the majors was in 1985. Thus, he was juicing before he became a power hitter.

but he did it more sporadically then....because he was scared and he didn't blow up like a balloon...

[Bigdog]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

You realize the Brewers the past few years has been one of the most profitable teams, and they suck..... You can make a ton of money, and get scrubbs, and make a good profit with a .500 season, or you can spend your whole budget like the Yankees, and if you don't win the Pennant, you're barely scraping by...... My Mets are taking the Red-Sox, Yankees stance on things now, and are buying up talent......

Thats because of the millions upon millions of dollars paid out by the top spending teams in the form of a luxury tax that owners like the one for the Pirates who stick that luxury check in their greedy pockets! Not to mention the pirates having about 15,000 empty seats per game, you Pirate fans can blame part of yourselves for your team spending a avg of 40 million less then most teams. What good would a cap even do when they would still be 60 million under it?

[dakota81]

Originally Posted by The Don

but he did it more sporadically then....because he was scared and he didn't blow up like a balloon...

Since beginning using steroids, from November 1984 to February 1985 Canseco put on an extra 25 pounds of muscle. His breakout season in the majors was yet another year after, in 1986.

If you still think that's not "juicing"...


(I'm not a Canseco expert in any way, but I do own his book, have read it through, and certainly can skim the early chapters for these tid-bits of information)

[dakota81]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

You realize the Brewers the past few years has been one of the most profitable teams, and they suck..... You can make a ton of money, and get scrubbs, and make a good profit with a .500 season, or you can spend your whole budget like the Yankees, and if you don't win the Pennant, you're barely scraping by...... My Mets are taking the Red-Sox, Yankees stance on things now, and are buying up talent......

Their payroll has increased the past two years, but before that, it was down around $20m for a few seasons.

The revenue generated from the naming rights of the stadium, along with the licensing for the concessions, exceeded $20m. Before a single ticket was sold for the season, the payroll was covered for the whole year.

[Tanman19az]

come on guys I need some a couple more votes

[The Don]

Originally Posted by dakota81

Since beginning using steroids, from November 1984 to February 1985 Canseco put on an extra 25 pounds of muscle. His breakout season in the majors was yet another year after, in 1986.

If you still think that's not "juicing"...


(I'm not a Canseco expert in any way, but I do own his book, have read it through, and certainly can skim the early chapters for these tid-bits of information)

I never said that's not juicing...he just wasn't full tilt boogie...

I was saying he wasn't using it nearly as frequently for the 1st 4 years...and then he got out of hand...