10 minute high Def download from Comcast. For a 4 GB movie

[monkeytap]

well I've got comcast scheduled to install it on tuesday....

despite the high price tag I'm really interested and am hoping I can find a group of housemates to split the bill with me. I currently have comcast's highest offering 'performance plus' with HD digital cable but I could just cancel the cable and keep the bill relatively the same. I will be downloading TV shows and music, not HD movies (4 gb=a joke). I will probably end up rescheduling/canceling on monday but in the off chance I do decide $150/month is worth it than I am literally first in line

saying im a little worried about the throttling would be an understatement, but not gonna lie...I want it.....


bad......

[monkeytap]

comcast told me ~ 30 people have it so far.

I really want to find out the "specifics"

been searching for any early reports/user reviews but no success. I'll try AVS

[Quad]

Comcast is now charging $ 4.99 to watch old movies in HD. They have some for free but most of the films aren't very good. Another reason to buy Blu-ray.

[monkeytap]

had it installed today....hardwired to the cable modem I reached a download speed of 51 Mbps and uploads of 5Mbps, as advertised. my wireless router (~3 years old netgear) significantly decreased the download speed but did not affect upload.

I understand that this is a blu-ray forum, but come on people.....besides the high price tag theres nothing here to complain about. its just really really fast internet. I know, I know, comcast "HD" is horrible, but what does it have to do with internet? personally speaking, I cancelled my digital cable/HD services when I upgraded to the new internet offering. but that won't affect the amount of 1080p content im watching

[MATTYBLU2]

1080p content is great, but there is only so many movies you can watch. besides alot of people enjoy shows on tv such as heroes, 24, battlestar galactica, dexter, csi, etc. i know that most of those shows are only 720p, but they still look fantastic to me who can pass up 1080i discovery channel or NG channel? i love them.

[jq71586]

*snicker*

[monkeytap]

Originally Posted by MATTYBLU2

1080p content is great, but there is only so many movies you can watch. besides alot of people enjoy shows on tv such as heroes, 24, battlestar galactica, dexter, csi, etc. i know that most of those shows are only 720p, but they still look fantastic to me who can pass up 1080i discovery channel or NG channel? i love them.

I can pass it up with bitrates like this:

FiOS Comcast Difference

AETV HD 18.66 Mbps 14.48 Mbps -28.9%
Discovery HD 14.16 Mbps 10.43 Mbps -35.8%
Discovery HD Theater 17.45 Mbps 12.60 Mbps -38.5%

take a look at the screenshots as well.....I'd rather download and watch at my leisure. IMO

Originally Posted by jq71586

*snickers*

HUNGRY? CAN'T WAIT?

[Sir Terrence]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Let's see

So I will be able to download Déjà Vu's 2hour+ 28 Mb/s BD at 50 Mb/s in 10 minutes.

Maybe Scotty applied for a job.

LOLOL

[DetroitSportsFan]

Justin from Bend, Oregon just sent us his ISP's new pricing plan, which makes Time Warner's look supremely generous: $55 a month buys you a measly 50GB running at a respectable 16Mbps downstream. If you run over, it's an extra $1.50 per GB. We hope Bend residents aren't huge fans of iTunes rentals—they'll chew through your allowance mighty quick. Welcome to what's shaping up to be the scary future of broadband in this country: It'll be faster, but it's either going to be filtered, slowed down or capped.

http://gizmodo.com/377955/the-future...otally-screwed

[Brandon B]

Since you can't watch a 90 minute movie in 10 minutes, not sure why that's a selling point. As long as the movie downloads in less time than its running length, you can start watching on a whim.

BB

[monkeytap]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

http://gizmodo.com/377955/the-future...otally-screwed

yeah, when I asked if all ports would be open I was told that comcast does nothing to disrupt the service.....bullshit.

Originally Posted by Brandon B

Since you can't watch a 90 minute movie in 10 minutes, not sure why that's a selling point. As long as the movie downloads in less time than its running length, you can start watching on a whim.

BB

its first and foremost a reference point. "50 Mbps" means nothing to the average joe.

also, I would say the average time spent going to rent a movie is >10 minutes, so if you can download one in less time than going to buy/rent I would say it is a somewhat valid selling point. IMO

[Anthony P]

also, I would say the average time spent going to rent a movie is >10 minutes, so if you can download one in less time than going to buy/rent I would say it is a somewhat valid selling point. IMO

I think he meant if the DL BR is >playback BR then nothing else matter. In the sense that the DL can happen while you watch the movie and getting it in 10 minutes or not won't help (you still will watch for 90 min).

That being said, I disagree with him.
1) obviously a 4GB movie will not be the same quality as a 50GB BD (on the other hand 10x10=100> most movies
2) These are like lumens on a projector what they say is always best case scenario and never met> so you need it to be much less to be safe
3) Do you live by yourself? Does everyone watch everything together? What happens in real life when A is watching their thing in the HT, someone else in the kitchen, a kid in a third room. Not saying this happens in all homes at all times, but for most homes there will be times when 2-3 different things are being watched at the same time.

[monkeytap]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I think he meant if the DL BR is >playback BR then nothing else matter. In the sense that the DL can happen while you watch the movie and getting it in 10 minutes or not won't help (you still will watch for 90 min).

That being said, I disagree with him.
1) obviously a 4GB movie will not be the same quality as a 50GB BD (on the other hand 10x10=100> most movies
2) These are like lumens on a projector what they say is always best case scenario and never met> so you need it to be much less to be safe
3) Do you live by yourself? Does everyone watch everything together? What happens in real life when A is watching their thing in the HT, someone else in the kitchen, a kid in a third room. Not saying this happens in all homes at all times, but for most homes there will be times when 2-3 different things are being watched at the same time.

maybe im wrong, but doesn't that apply specifically for streaming video but not so much with downloads? usually movie downloads aren't playable until the file is complete, depending on the source.


1) I am still buying blu-rays, own approximately ~35 blus, and rent them constantly from blockbuster. the downloads are really replacing TV. since cable or dish can't compete with blu ray anyways.

2) yes, so far the speeds aren't off teh charts but we get everything we need. 2-3 ps3s playing call of duty 4, 2 computers downloading, 1 computer playing multiple tables of internet poker with no lag.

3)in case you couldnt tell, no. just graduated college and live with 3 other guys. all of the downloads are available via wireless server, so people can be watching many different things at once. or basic cable. we all pretty much have our own tv, and I also have a 100'' projector moving between my room and living room.

[Brandon B]

Originally Posted by monkeytap

maybe im wrong, but doesn't that apply specifically for streaming video but not so much with downloads? usually movie downloads aren't playable until the file is complete, depending on the source.

Not sure which sources you are talking about, most sources of video I know allow you to begin watching the file while it is downloading. So as long as your download "bitrate" is faster than than the playback bitrate, it is not a selling point that this speed gives you some benefit for downloading video.

Which is all I was saying. Not that your internet speed is unimportant, just that it is not a benefit for internet video services.

Anthony, was also not comparing downloading to BD. Since BD movies at full file size are not (supposed to be) available for download, it didn't seem like the best way to sell it.

I agree 50Mbps service is great and well worth selling even at that price, just think they picked a lame talking point to move it. If, per your point 3, they had phrased it as "You can download three HD movies fast enough for 3 people to start watching immediately", it would have sold the service more meaningfully.

BB

[Anthony P]

maybe im wrong, but doesn't that apply specifically for streaming video but not so much with downloads? usually movie downloads aren't playable until the file is complete, depending on the source.

I would guess it would depend on the service, but if the BW is there I hope that they would allow playback during DL.

PS my questions where not directed directly at you, they where in essence why I don't think if the theoretical max BW is just a bit over the playback rate why it would not be enough

[Anthony P]

I agree 50Mbps service is great and well worth selling even at that price, just think they picked a lame talking point to move it. If, per your point 3, they had phrased it as "You can download three HD movies fast enough for 3 people to start watching immediately", it would have sold the service more meaningfully.

I think it depends who you are talking about (and what is sold), let's face it, the guy spending 150$ a month on this fast internet, is probably not doing it for movies or TV shows. I think it is about selling the idea that high quality DL will be here soon and the issue with DL today is the long wait before you can enjoy the movie. Like the article said

can transmit a high-definition movie in about 10 minutes....more than an hour on most cable systems.

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[monkeytap]

Originally Posted by Brandon B

Not sure which sources you are talking about, most sources of video I know allow you to begin watching the file while it is downloading. So as long as your download "bitrate" is faster than than the playback bitrate, it is not a selling point that this speed gives you some benefit for downloading video.

Which is all I was saying. Not that your internet speed is unimportant, just that it is not a benefit for internet video services.

Anthony, was also not comparing downloading to BD. Since BD movies at full file size are not (supposed to be) available for download, it didn't seem like the best way to sell it.

I agree 50Mbps service is great and well worth selling even at that price, just think they picked a lame talking point to move it. If, per your point 3, they had phrased it as "You can download three HD movies fast enough for 3 people to start watching immediately", it would have sold the service more meaningfully.

BB

point taken. I guess I have not always tried watching before they are done to know if they play.

to play devils advocate though, if BD/HD movies were available to download at a legitimate size, and instead of saying "4 GB/10 min" they said "20 GB/50 minutes" (same ratio) would it be a valid selling point?

the problem I am having is the speeds when plugged directly into the modem are unreal (>50 Mbps) but as soon as I go through the router it is significantly diminished. even if I am plugged in with ethernet my speeds have been maxed at ~25 Mbps. I may end up cancelling.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I think it depends who you are talking about (and what is sold), let's face it, the guy spending 150$ a month on this fast internet, is probably not doing it for movies or TV shows. I think it is about selling the idea that high quality DL will be here soon and the issue with DL today is the long wait before you can enjoy the movie. Like the article said
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yeah, it really depend on who your talking about....they are probably just making a reference point of the speeds you will receive, which may or may not be a selling point to the general population. all I had to hear was "50 Mbps" and I was calling to find out more.