$10K High-end Digital Downloads... better than blu-ray

[mr.hidef]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

I read $500 - $1000 dollars to watch day and date with the theater. This is the same info posted somewhere else from Home Theater Forum where the PQ was full of artifacts and defects even with the higher bitrates.

If you are going to pay $500.00-$1,000.00 per download with a "limited" viewing window , you (not YOU personaly) should seriously have your head examined....don't you think?

[DeathByAsh'aman]

I dont get all the negativity here. the guy wasnt even remotely suggesting that this was the "blu killer." Some of you guys need a life.

@mr. hi def- If your rich and have a kick ass theatre why not pay 1g to have a premier at your home. He did tout this as catering to the high end market. But if your not rich then yes i do agree with you.

[GORT]

All you need to download them quickly is a big dish
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[mr.hidef]

Originally Posted by DeathByAsh'aman

I dont get all the negativity here. the guy wasnt even remotely suggesting that this was the "blu killer." Some of you guys need a life.

@mr. hi def- If your rich and have a kick ass theatre why not pay 1g to have a premier at your home. He did tout this as catering to the high end market. But if your not rich then yes i do agree with you.

I worked at a elite country club for 3 1/2 years , and mingled with the elite, and the filthy rich, and they are more tight with their money than most avg. income people.They wre complaining daily about spending 3 g's on a sweet HDTV. Besides........people are so quick to attack each other, just for stating their opinion.

[Deciazulado]

So let me see, I can pay to see a DCI 1080 x 2000 pixel movie for a $1000 once (that used to be the price of a print) or I can pay to see a BD 1080 x 1920 pixel movie for $25 as many times as I want?

[CAB]

I forget. . . Isn't it this site that thinks people are insane for spending more than [insert price of latest PS3 here] but somehow $10K for a viewing is reasonable.

[Woody]

Originally Posted by FEP3108

All you need to download them quickly is a big dish
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[Bobby Henderson]

Originally Posted by DeathByAsh'aman

I don't get all the negativity here. the guy wasnt even remotely suggesting that this was the "blu killer." Some of you guys need a life.

I merely listed why the claims repeated by conradjohnsonfan are ridiculous.

The issue of slow Internet speeds is a deal breaking factor known by everyone.

And the notion someone is going to spend upwards of $200,000 for a professional D-cinema projector (Christie CP2000), RAID content server (Dolby Digital Cinema, DoReMi, etc.) not to mention compatible cinema processor and amplification gear all without having a legitimate content provider contract is pretty silly.

D-Cinema theaters don't download their movies via Internet connections. Feature movies are shipped on 300GB or larger hard discs. Occasionally, certain special events will be beamed to the theater via its roof top satellite dish. The unique security keys are not included with the hard discs either. Sometimes they're mailed separately on a flash drive. Sometimes they're e-mailed. More and more often a D-Cinema service provider like AccessIT will remotely log into the projector server or theater's SAN server and activate the movie that way. It's not like someone can just grab one of those 300GB discs off e-Bay and play it. The D-Cinema stuff has to repeatedly "phone home" in order to work.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by mr.hidef

If you are going to pay $500.00-$1,000.00 per download with a "limited" viewing window , you (not YOU personaly) should seriously have your head examined....don't you think?

I agree..

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

So let me see, I can pay to see a DCI 1080 x 2000 pixel movie for a $1000 once (that used to be the price of a print) or I can pay to see a BD 1080 x 1920 pixel movie for $25 as many times as I want?

Come on Deci...the economy is not doing so good. It would be great if all us were to mortgage our homes to watch movies for $1000 a pop.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

So let me see, I can pay to see a DCI 1080 x 2000 pixel movie for a $1000 once (that used to be the price of a print) or I can pay to see a BD 1080 x 1920 pixel movie for $25 as many times as I want?

A fool and his money?

But, let's face it, this and XDE are going to kill Blu....


not.

[mr.hidef]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

A fool and his money?

But, let's face it, this and XDE are going to kill Blu....


not.

+1............

[prerich]

This server is the equivilant of a concept car. Very high priced, but only used to show that technology is not resting on its laurals. Eventually something will superceed BD. With the exponential rate of tech advancement it may happen sooner than we expect - combinded with our consumer greed!!!! (I could have keep my high end prepro and just did the 7.1 analog outs)! I'm looking at this and I'm starting to see tech pass a techie by.
You would spend all of your time trying to have the best tech - man I don't think I will even buy a new projector now (I've got good glasses but now I also wear Bifocals - I'm getting old and I can tell it )! I don't think the OP believes that this is a BD killer (its not). BD will die a planned, milk it till you can't get anymore out of it, death like every other adopted format (vhs,dvd, ntsc ect.).

[Anthony P]

I dont get all the negativity here. the guy wasnt even remotely suggesting that this was the "blu killer." Some of you guys need a life.

no, we are just tired of seeing BS threads for useless over expensive vapourware and that when most are too intelligent to find it interesting being called delusional fan boys

[Bobby Henderson]

Originally Posted by prerich

This server is the equivalent of a concept car. Very high priced, but only used to show that technology is not resting on its laurels.

It looks like a half-baked attempt to copy D-Cinema to me. Very high price. Yet no substantial leap above Blu-ray quality.

The concept would be more interesting if it gave average home viewers secure access to the same kind of JPEG2000 movies that run several times the bandwidth of Blu-ray.

Originally Posted by prerich

Eventually something will supercede BD. With the exponential rate of tech advancement it may happen sooner than we expect - combined with our consumer greed!!!!

I, for one, am not going to bet on the sooner instead of later prognosis.

Yeah, technology is advancing at a fast rate. But other things slow down development in terms of new video playback formats.

Movie studios and the various armies of attorneys looking after the rights of content have to play ball in supporting a new format. Studios are only now starting to squeeze some significant money out of Blu-ray. They're not going to drop back to square one with a new format at this point.

Electronics companies are only now getting up to speed with Blu-ray friendly equipment. If some even better format is going to come along many different kinds of hardware and software have to be developed for it in order to bring it out to the public. That still takes several years to accomplish. Blue laser diodes and other basic components for Blu-ray were first developed nearly a decade ago. It's not like anyone can just throw together a new audio-video playback format overnight.

I fully expect Blu-ray to have no less than 7 to 10 years of product life without any seriously credible competition. And when something better can finally emerge, we're going to see the same situation we have between Blu-ray and DVD: the new format will take at least another 2-4 years to build up mass market levels of acceptance.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by conradjohnsonfan

Because as wonderful as blu-ray is, it is NOT the end-all in technology. There will be bigger better things.

Those better things are still a long ways off.

For those with the $$$$, the day that even higher quality media is available for their theaters is now, not later.

Thats fine.....for "their" theaters.

I love Blu-ray. I also will love anything that actually offers an even better experience.

cool

It is amazing how the mention of digital download, or any tech that will succeed and likely super-cede blu-ray is greeted by so many as an attack on "their" precious format and is not worth discussion.

I dont care about discussing it go ahead, its just annoying to keep hearing about something thats going to kill/replace blu-ray when its not.....period.

And yes, SOMETHING will take over blu-ray, someday. And it would not be surprising if it involves digital download. It is a short sighted statement to say it will never happen.

Blu-ray aint going anywhere for a long long time, when something new does come dont expect blu-ray to just go away,im sure they will have a new tech also.

call me short sighted if you want but digital downloads will never replace package media even if and when it does become mainstream. if anything they will coexist together.

[supersix4]

its funny when people bring this up as you can see all over msn, yahoo exc. there are tons of articles about isp's trying to cap "bandwidth hogs" lol this will never work 6 blu-ray movie sized downloads a mo. and your over your usage limit lmfao

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Bobby Henderson

It looks like a half-baked attempt to copy D-Cinema to me. Very high price. Yet no substantial leap above Blu-ray quality.

The concept would be more interesting if it gave average home viewers secure access to the same kind of JPEG2000 movies that run several times the bandwidth of Blu-ray.



I, for one, am not going to bet on the sooner instead of later prognosis.

Yeah, technology is advancing at a fast rate. But other things slow down development in terms of new video playback formats.

Movie studios and the various armies of attorneys looking after the rights of content have to play ball in supporting a new format. Studios are only now starting to squeeze some significant money out of Blu-ray. They're not going to drop back to square one with a new format at this point.

Electronics companies are only now getting up to speed with Blu-ray friendly equipment. If some even better format is going to come along many different kinds of hardware and software have to be developed for it in order to bring it out to the public. That still takes several years to accomplish. Blue laser diodes and other basic components for Blu-ray were first developed nearly a decade ago. It's not like anyone can just throw together a new audio-video playback format overnight.

I fully expect Blu-ray to have no less than 7 to 10 years of product life without any seriously credible competition. And when something better can finally emerge, we're going to see the same situation we have between Blu-ray and DVD: the new format will take at least another 2-4 years to build up mass market levels of acceptance.

Exactly what I'm saying at the end of my original post. There are things that have been worked on after BD- about 6 or 5 years ago, it won't happen over-night but take a look - we had 1080i and 720p TV's, now we have 120hz tv's, they are getting ready to brinig out 240hz tv's, and the 4k stuff is just around the corner (along with people talking about 1440p). This is just insane!
My analogy to a concept car I believe is fair. Many concept cars only offer a new look rather than a substantial increase in quality. It's just ideals being thrown out - remember the holographic disc everyone was talking about 12 months ago? Where is it at? Is it vaporware - or is it being held in "the vault"(quotes mine) until all the money and life that can be squeezed out of BD is gone? I thought laserdisc was the future of movie watching - we (in the CE industry) said DVD stood for Doubtful Very Doutful...two years later doubtful became reality. What I'm saying in a nutshell is technology will always continue to advance - to quote one of favorite characters from Over the Hedge..."one is just never enough"

[prerich]

Originally Posted by supersix4

its funny when people bring this up as you can see all over msn, yahoo exc. there are tons of articles about isp's trying to cap "bandwidth hogs" lol this will never work 6 blu-ray movie sized downloads a mo. and your over your usage limit lmfao

This is true, the cap limits whoa!!!! I'm a computer tech and I've gone over customers houses and looked at their networks. They wonder why its so slow - then I look at their content for downloaded movies, music, P2P netwoking ect. If an ISP brands you as a high bandwidth user - they will throttle your bandwidth back so much that its like your on dial-up!!! I've seen it really!!! I don't think downloads will replace BD - not in the near future. I think it will be something else, but while BD is here - I will enjoy it.

[Bobby Henderson]

Originally Posted by preich

There are things that have been worked on after BD- about 6 or 5 years ago, it won't happen over-night but take a look - we had 1080i and 720p TV's, now we have 120hz tv's...

1080p/24 capable 120Hz televisions are an incremental improvement in hardware. The HDTV formats have changed very little -with Blu-ray (and HD-DVD) offering a modest boost from 1080i to true 1080p.

Originally Posted by preich

they are getting ready to brinig out 240hz tv's, and the 4k stuff is just around the corner (along with people talking about 1440p). This is just insane!

Samsung's 240Hz "blue phase" technology is a developmental concept. They say it won't be available in retail products until 2011.

1440p isn't happening at all, even though some folks who participate in this forum are wishing for it. The simple point is Hollywood studios have not rendered any CGI or digital intermediates in that format at all and they never will. 1440p is useless without content supply and hardware (video cameras, televisions, etc.) that support the format.

4K in home theater isn't happening anytime soon, if ever. Hollywood still uses the format very rarely for CGI and digital intermediate work. 2K is still the de facto standard. Even when Hollywood finally starts using 4K more often, you still have the issue of creating affordable hardware that can play the huge format with decent levels of performance. Right now you literally need top of the line RAID and enterprise server gear to see 4K content in motion.

Originally Posted by preich

My analogy to a concept car I believe is fair. Many concept cars only offer a new look rather than a substantial increase in quality.

Concept cars are designed to run on some sort of fuel that is, or could be, commonly available.

A new video playback format runs on "content" -Hollywood movies being the most desirable of that content. No new format is worth anything at all unless you get movie studios and other content providers to support it. The folks promoting this server-based playback system may think it's a potential Blu-ray killer. In truth, it is a worthless "brick" without a supply of movie content.

I also have a very hard time believing any Hollywood studio will supply professional D-cinema content to a private home user only because the guy spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a professional D-cinema setup. Unless he is running a professional movie theater with a service and supply contract with a company like AccessIT his little home D-cinema setup is going to be seen as a possible security/piracy risk.

Originally Posted by preich

I thought laserdisc was the future of movie watching - we (in the CE industry) said DVD stood for Doubtful Very Doutful...two years later doubtful became reality. What I'm saying in a nutshell is technology will always continue to advance.

Laserdisc failed for a number of reasons. You had to buy every LD you watched since very few video stores ever offered them for rent. The format was cumbersome with movies being spread across two sides of a disc or over multiple discs. Laserdiscs consumed far too much shelf space in stores (which is also a big reason why retail stores were happy to get rid of vinyl LPs).