Dts-HD or DD5.1

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by Banfire69

However If Your Receiver Is Capable Of Decoding Dts-hd Master Audio, Looseless, Or Un-compressed Formats Are Much Better, But Be Careful Not To Damage Your Speakers.

What are you trying to say? This is not a sentence and does not make sense.

Most Speakers Can't Handle These Three Higher End Formats. That's Why Everyone Is Having Problems With Their Center Channel. To Make Use Of These You Are Supposed To Have At Least All Three To Four Way Front Speakers.

Says who? Links?

Oh, and turn off your CAPS.

[CanadianKrazyMods]

I have heard nothing but good things about Bose.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by CanadianKrazyMods

I have heard nothing but good things about Bose.

Trust me. Stop right there. Go no further.

Let's just say that for your $$, there are MUCH better choices out there.

[mr.hidef]

Originally Posted by Banfire69

Dts-hd And Dolby Truehd Are Esentially The Same.

However If Your Receiver Is Capable Of Decoding Dts-hd Master Audio, Looseless, Or Un-compressed Formats Are Much Better, But Be Careful Not To Damage Your Speakers. Most Speakers Can't Handle These Three Higher End Formats. That's Why Everyone Is Having Problems With Their Center Channel. To Make Use Of These You Are Supposed To Have At Least All Three To Four Way Front Speakers.
The Audio Masters Think That If You Have The Money To Buy The Right Tv, Receiver, And Player That You Have The Speakers To Go With Them For The New Formats, But Most People Don't. Speakers Matter The Most. You Can Be Playing A Movie In Normal Dts Or Dolby Digital Vs A Guy With One Of The Three Higher End Formats And Still Have Yours Sound Better Because You Have Better Speakers.

Speakers Matter The Most, Don't Buy Bose. It Just Cant Handle It.

Oh, And A Movie Is Only As Good As The Microphones That Are Being Used, Bad Positioning Of A Microphone Leads To Bad Sound Coming Out Of Your Main Speaker ( The Center Channel ).

Thanks,
Nas

Sir................there are no "audio masters", Just sound engineers who do the mixing of the film.

[Banfire69]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

Trust me. Stop right there. Go no further.

Let's just say that for your $$, there are MUCH better choices out there.

Nicely Said.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

In case anyone failed to notice, which I believe most have, the OP was asking about DOLBY DIGITAL 5.1 and DTS HD!!! And the answer to his question is definitely DTS HD ALL THE WAY since he didn't reference DOLBY TRUEHD in any way shape or form.

Even if he had asked avout TrueHD though, I still would have recommended DTS HD MA since TrueHD never seems to quire be as defined.





Oh, and, by the way..... BOSE BLOWS!!!

[darkblueme]

In my opinion, DTS-MA sounds way better than Dolby True-HD any day of the week.
But, PCM really packs some heat.

[ozzman]

Iam definitely a PCM uncompressed Man.

But when there's a choice between Dolby True and DTSHD-MA, I choose DTSHD-MA all the time without even Blinking an eye

I have no merit on why i do this. I guess i just expect DTS to sound better with no proof behind it ?

DTS is NEWER Then Dolby and i guess i just assume its better.
I have a funny feeling iam not the only one that thinks like this.

Does this make me a bad person

[Banfire69]

check this out it would help you to better undersatnd what i am saying.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1233

and their are two not one high definition dts codecs out their.

DTS-HD High Resolution Audio-----capable of 5.1 hd sound equal to dolby truehd

DTS-HD Master Audio-----capable of 7.1 hd sound ( somewhat better than dolbytruehd beacuse it is less compressed.)

if your receiver has the feature and you have an hdmi 1.3 or 5.1 or 7.1 analog cable going from your source to your receiver try pressing the pure/direct/stream direct button on your receiver this will bypass all the codecs and send the sound straight to your speakers. the movie must be either pcm/bitstream. this feature disables the equalizer on the receiver and sends the sound coming from your source directly to each speakers the same way it was created.



Thanks,
Nas

[JasonR]

Originally Posted by Banfire69

check this out it would help you to better undersatnd what i am saying.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1233

and their are two not one high definition dts codecs out their.

DTS-HD High Resolution Audio-----capable of 5.1 hd sound equal to dolby truehd

DTS-HD Master Audio-----capable of 7.1 hd sound ( somewhat better than dolbytruehd beacuse it is less compressed.)


if your receiver has the feature and you have an hdmi 1.3 or 5.1 or 7.1 analog cable going from your source to your receiver try pressing the pure/direct/stream direct button on your receiver this will bypass all the codecs and send the sound straight to your speakers. the movie must be either pcm/bitstream. this feature disables the equalizer on the receiver and sends the sound coming from your source directly to each speakers the same way it was created.



Thanks,
Nas

Did you even read that article? Your statement is completely false.

The number of new audio formats on Blu-ray and HD DVD have caused a great deal of consumer confusion, especially with three separate formats (PCM, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS-HD Master Audio) all designed to accomplish the exact same goal -- a perfect replication of the movie's audio master.

Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio are also bit-for-bit identical to the studio master once decoded.

DTS-HD High Resolution Audio

DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, like DTS-HD Master Audio, is an extension to the original DTS audio format. It delivers up to 7.1 channels of sound at 96 kHz sampling frequency and 24 bit depth resolution. DTS-HD High Resolution Audio is selected as an optional surround sound format for Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD with constant bit rates up to respectively 6.0 Mbit/s and 3.0 Mbit/s. It is supposed to be an alternative for DTS-HD Master Audio where disc space may not allow it.


DTS-HD Master Audio

DTS-HD Master Audio logoMain article: DTS-HD Master Audio
DTS-HD Master Audio, previously known as DTS++ and DTS-HD, supports a virtually unlimited number of surround sound channels, can downmix to 5.1 and two-channel, and can deliver audio quality at bit rates extending from DTS Digital Surround up to lossless (24-bit, 192 kHz). DTS-HD Master Audio is selected as an optional surround sound format for Blu-ray and HD DVD, where it has been limited to a maximum of 8 discrete channels. DTS-HD MA supports variable bit rates up to 24.5 Mbit/s on a Blu-ray Disc and up to 18.0 Mbit/s for HD-DVD, with 6 channel encoded at up to 192 kHz or 8 channels encoded at 96 kHz/24 bit. In case more than 6 channels are used, a "Channel Remapping" function allows for remixing the soundtrack to compensate for a different channel layout in the playback system compared to the original mix. Currently the Japanese version Pioneer BDP-LX80 supports bitstream digital output of the format along with the Samsung BD-P1400 (through a firmware update). All Blu-ray and HD DVD players can decode the DTS "core" resolution soundtrack at 1.5 Mbit/s, however. DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD are the only technologies that deliver compressed lossless surround sound for these new disc formats, ensuring the highest quality audio performance available in the new standards. (N.B.: DTS Coherent Acoustics coding system has been selected as mandatory audio technology for both the Blu-ray Disc (BD) and High Definition Digital Versatile Disc (HD DVD).[5])

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Theater_System

[ozzman]

Thanks my friend, Now its up to me to belive it or not (joking) or am i

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by Banfire69

check this out it would help you to better undersatnd what i am saying.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1233

and their are two not one high definition dts codecs out their.

DTS-HD High Resolution Audio-----capable of 5.1 hd sound equal to dolby truehd

DTS-HD Master Audio-----capable of 7.1 hd sound ( somewhat better than dolbytruehd beacuse it is less compressed.)

if your receiver has the feature and you have an hdmi 1.3 or 5.1 or 7.1 analog cable going from your source to your receiver try pressing the pure/direct/stream direct button on your receiver this will bypass all the codecs and send the sound straight to your speakers. the movie must be either pcm/bitstream. this feature disables the equalizer on the receiver and sends the sound coming from your source directly to each speakers the same way it was created.



Thanks,
Nas

Please read the article you mentioned above several times again. You misunderstood everything.

DTS HD High Resolution (DTS HD HR) = Dolby Digital Plus (DD+)
DTS HD Master Audio (DTS HD MA) = Dolby TruHD = PCM

Please read A Guide to Home Theater Audio Codecs, sticky under Home Theater Discussion.

[Canada]

Originally Posted by SoundFreak

I am confused on this entire format thing. What format should I be listening to? I only have 5.1 but should I set the BD to DTS when available or DD? Which is better and why?


DTS-HD said uncompressed. What exactly does that mean?

DD= constant 640 kbps
True HD= Averages more than 3 MBPS
DTS= 1.5 mbps
DTS HR= constant 3.0 mbps
DTS MA= Average 3 or more mbps though DTS MA usually has a higher bitrate than True HD

Uncompressed PCM 5.1 16 bit= a constant bitrate of 4.6 mbps.
Uncompressed PCM 5.1 32 bit= a constant bitrate of 6.9 mbps.

Dolby True HD, DTS HD, DTS MA, are all lossless, not uncompressed. The only uncompressed format is Uncompressed PCM.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by Canada

DD= constant 640 kbps
True HD= Averages more than 3 MBPS
DTS= 1.5 mbps
DTS HR= constant 3.0 mbps
DTS MA= Average 3 or more mbps though DTS MA usually has a higher bitrate than True HD

Uncompressed PCM 5.1 16 bit= a constant bitrate of 4.6 mbps.
Uncompressed PCM 5.1 32 bit= a constant bitrate of 6.9 mbps.

Dolby True HD, DTS HD, DTS MA, are all lossless, not uncompressed. The only uncompressed format is Uncompressed PCM.

These figures are from A Guide to Home Theater Audio Codecs, sticky under Home Theater Discussion.

The maximum uncompressed bit rates for a movie soundtrack are approximately:

48,000(samples per second) x 16(bits per sample) x 6(channels) = 4.6Mbps
48,000(samples per second) x 20(bits per sample) x 6(channels) = 5.8Mbps
48,000(samples per second) x 24(bits per sample) x 6(channels) = 6.9Mbps

48,000(samples per second) x 16(bits per sample) x 8(channels) = 6.1Mbps
48,000(samples per second) x 20(bits per sample) x 8(channels) = 7.7Mbps
48,000(samples per second) x 24(bits per sample) x 8(channels) = 9.2Mbps

96,000(samples per second) x 16(bits per sample) x 6(channels) = 9.2Mbps
96,000(samples per second) x 20(bits per sample) x 6(channels) = 11.5Mbps
96,000(samples per second) x 24(bits per sample) x 6(channels) = 13.8Mbps

96,000(samples per second) x 16(bits per sample) x 8(channels) = 12.3Mbps
96,000(samples per second) x 20(bits per sample) x 8(channels) = 15.4Mbps
96,000(samples per second) x 24(bits per sample) x 8(channels) = 18.4Mbps

192,000(samples per second) x 16(bits per sample) x 6(channels) = 18.4Mbps
192,000(samples per second) x 20(bits per sample) x 6(channels) = 23.0Mbps
192,000(samples per second) x 24(bits per sample) x 6(channels) = 27.7Mbps

BDA format specifications limit the audio to 6 channels of 192kHz/24bit.

[mr.hidef]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

In case anyone failed to notice, which I believe most have, the OP was asking about DOLBY DIGITAL 5.1 and DTS HD!!! And the answer to his question is definitely DTS HD ALL THE WAY since he didn't reference DOLBY TRUEHD in any way shape or form.

Even if he had asked avout TrueHD though, I still would have recommended DTS HD MA since TrueHD never seems to quire be as defined.





Oh, and, by the way..... BOSE BLOWS!!!

Nice cheap shot......that was completely uncalled for. It's comments like this that get you infractions on this site.

[ClaytonMG]

It should be mentioned that DTS-HD MA being less compressed than Dolby TrueHD is a myth. The bitrate is only higher due to the fact that it uses the core which means it will never drop below 1.6mbps. It basically makes it so that you can't throw away all the useless bits like you can with Dolby TrueHD because it doesn't use the core for it's lossless portion.

[ozzman]

Iam finding this thread to be a great learning experience.
Thank you guys for throwing all this great information out