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[DetroitSportsFan]

[Groo The Perverted]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

*holds hand up*

heyyyyyyyyyyyy!

[camper]

Originally Posted by Dreaming in Blu

Personally I see a difference between someone who merely disagrees with homosexuality (whether it's religious reasons or whatever) and someone who is so overcome with FEAR (hence the word phobe) that they are bound and determined to outlaw any and everything having to do with being gay.

The catch all reason why anyone disagrees with or despises homosexuality for moral, ethical, religious, or any other point of view is instantly considered to be doing so out of fear--fear of change being the most cited. If a person thinks that the US government moving towards socialism is bad for the country, they aren't labeled a 'socialism-phobes' are they? No, because that's plain stupid. They may be labelled other things by the people who want such a governent, but 'fearful' is generally not one of them. But if someone believes that the foundation of society is ultimately the family unit as a cohesive building block that shouldn't be comprimised and they see homosexuality as compromising the family unit then, they are immediately labelled as being afraid of change and therefore homo-phobic.

Interesting how you excuse those who disagree based on religious reasons, considering EVERY outspoken supporter of the LGBT movement brands those people as the most fearful and homo-phobic.

They don't like the direction they see the country going in it's "acceptance" of homosexuality, and they fear, yes FEAR the change and how it's going to impact their lives. So they are rightfully described (at least by myself) as homophobes.

You've just described every political or social issue that has ever existed since the history of time. And every person has the right to disagree with each and every policy change that this country makes or begins to make because it WILL affect and impact a persons life. In this instance, however, you are branded 'phobic' as a form of insult or in a derogatory way if you disagree with it. I'm guessing you're a democrat...are you therefore Republican-phobic? Bush-phobic? Or on a lighter subject, Xbox-phobic? HD-DVD-phobic? See how rediculous it is? But labelling a person as homophobic because they do not like/condone/approve of the homosexual lifestyle is simply an accepted form of belittling that persons opinion or point of view.

Now if someone just doesn't like gay people because they're faith disagrees with it, hey....I'm not gonna knock that. Everyone has a right to believe what they want.

At what point do you make the determination that they dislike/disagree with gay people due to their faith, or out of fear? Or do you consider it to be out of fear until faith is mentioned? It seems as though you're trying to play both sides of the fence and it won't work.

It's taking a group of people's lifestyle and equating that with "stupid" or "dumb" or "lame" or whatever.

What about those who lack intelligence, cannot speak, or cannot walk?

I read somewhere, and I can't remember where it's sourced from but it's essentially saying that we as humans know two things: Fear and Understanding. And what we don't understand, we fear.

It's a bastardized quote, and many people have said the same thing in many ways. I don't think it's particularly accurate, but I don't think it's too far off the mark either. Problem with Quotes like that is they are essentially oversimplifying any given situation without taking any type of consideration into the subject at hand. It's easier to label someone as fearful and then saying how petty they are for letting fear get to them, then it is to actually listen to what they have to say and why.

A lot of people just don't "understand" homosexuality, or other cultures, or other races or whatever, and so they fear them. They fear the unknown. And because they're too....whatever, to get out and actually LEARN about other cultures, races, people's sexual preference, whatever, it's much easier for them to distrust it and discriminate against.

Do you need to go into the slums of Dehli where a cardboard box is a luxery, to LEARN if you don't want to live a life of poverty? Not everything needs to be learned, I don't need to 'understand' the scat culture to know that crapping on my wedding china and consuminging it gleefully is something I have positively no interest in.

Kinda like old people who are so deathly afraid of the internet and computers because they just don't understand it and don't know what it's about.

I see your point, but I disagree that a person needs to participate in something or 'give it a whirl' to understand it or know what it's about. Sometimes people are labelled as 'fearing' something when they simply don't like it and don't feel the need to explain why that is without someone pestering them with an accusatory "why not?" because the offended party feels like they're owed a reason why enthusiasm isn't immediately and happily shown.

Saying hateful and spiteful things, I agree is uncalled for--regardless of what side is saying what. I just think that taking such a stance on this one comment of "that's so gay" is frankly, rediculous. Especially when you factor in that it has NOTHING to do with homosexuality.

camper

[Groo The Perverted]

I just think that it boils down to when someone is SO afraid of a group of people and their supposed impact on their lives, that they're willing to go to any length to DENY those people equal rights, that exemplifies fear. hence the Phobia aspect.

That's my basic point.

[ZackL]

Who takes the time to give a shit about this stuff? Do people not have day jobs and fun hobbies they would rather focus on then this?

[plowmanjoe]

Originally Posted by Dreaming in Blu

I read somewhere, and I can't remember where it's sourced from but it's essentially saying that we as humans know two things: Fear and Understanding. And what we don't understand, we fear.

this made me laugh because it reminds me of the movie donnie darko. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q38N9QvsdzU

[DrinkMore]

Hmm.. wow. The world is turning upside down. Follow along with me..

Black Starz, Jet, Ebony magazine. Spanish words taking over the english language and all over everything we see. Confused on that. Now, we have hispanics complaining that there are not enough of them on tv and that tv is black and white.

Now, can you imagine if someone came out with a White Starz and white only magazines?

Not that I care - I just find it pretty stupid these days. I really do. Now were worried about people using GAY as slang? Hmm. Again, I am still drawing a blank on that one. We got people saying the n word all over rap but nobody has made a big stink about that.

I just don't get it anymore. Oh well.

[WriteSimply]

Hmmm. Bear with me 'cuz this will be a long one. I aim to inform if you care to listen.

Originally Posted by jwbbud

WOW, what the forum has become. Maybe the mods can merge this with your gay porn thread.

Firstly, you ALWAYS make it personal with me. Why? I'm not and have not attacked you.

The thread was created in the OFF-TOPIC forum to abide by the rules. It's got nothing to do with the gay porn thread OR the XXX Blu-ray Sex Discussion thread.

So why make it personal with me?

Blu-ray.com needs to enact a dont ask dont tell policy, just the the Navy Its none of my business what you do but dont push your propaganda on us

That is a STUPID policy. It was meant to shame the LGBT personnel into hiding in their closet. If knowing your colleague is gay will "undermine unit cohesion" how come the European Union, Canada, Australia and Israel's military did not just cave under? Suggesting, facetiously or not, that Blu-ray.com needs this policy is creating an atmosphere that is not welcoming of LGBTs. If David Geffen, Ian McKellen, or Portia Del Rossi wants to discuss their BD projects, do you think they'll discuss it here if that policy was enacted? Do you think they'll feel welcomed?

You're right. It's none of your business what I do. But I'm not pushing my propaganda on you. You don't have to click to read the thread or the link to the ThinkB4YouSpeak.com, or reply to this thread. Nobody is forcing you to but you make it sound like I did and that is not true.

The fact that you feel compelled to post in these kinds of threads reveals more about you. Do you post a similar response to threads discussing the dangers of conserving energy, melamine-tainted milk, government bailouts, Paris Hilton, Google, YouTube, Microsoft and telling the OP to not push their propaganda on you?

Originally Posted by xtop

i hate to sound insincere, but can't people find something a bit more important to spend their time and money on?

i keep typing and deleting what else i want to say but i'll just look like an a$$ so i'll shut up there lol.

seriously tho..starving people worldwide, and we're gonna worry about this. sigh

Starving people worldwide is about suffering. LGBT teens who are 4 times more likely to commit suicide than their straight peers is also about suffering. The Incredible Hulk getting a green BD case is not suffering; that's whining.

Seriously, think about this two scenarios: you have a cousin who's starving because he's still got no job in the last 2 years and another cousin who is put on suicide watch because some people were harassing him because he is gay. Who would you worry more?

The answer is simple: You worry about both of them.

oh and writesimply, why is it you have f u and die at the end of every one of your posts? urban dictionary says thats what it means anyways

That's your conclusion after a simple Google search?

It's my name. It means heart or heartfelt. BehindTheName.com Variant spelling is Fouad. Here's some useless trivia at PokeMyName.com

Originally Posted by mikejet

Saying something is Gay isn't derogatory to homosexuals. It's just slang and sarcasm. Instead of it being happy you're being sarcastic. Like calling something you like bad.

I surmise that you didn't even bother watching the video at thinkb4youspeak.com, especially about Emma and Julia. Here's the transcript.

Emma and Julia are cashiers at a drugstore.
Julia: So, where are you going out tonight?
Emma: I can't. My parents said that I have to be home right after work.
A female shopper is coming close to the checkout counter and overhears their conversation.
Julia: (huffs) That's so gay.
Emma: That's totally gay.
The female shopper puts her shopping basket on the counter.
Female Shopper: That's so Emma & Julia.
Julia: (dazed) Why are you saying that's so Emma & Julia?
Female Shopper: Well you know when something is dumb or stupid, you say "That's so Emma & Julia."
Emma: (incredulous) Who says that?
Female Shopper: (shrugging) Everyone!
Voice Over: Imagine if who you are is used as an insult. When you say "That's so gay" do you realize what you say? Knock it off.

Try that with your name or someone else's name that you happen to care for. See how you or they feel.

Homosexuals aren't GAY, they are homosexuals. I'm taking the word GAY back to mean Happy.

Homosexual is a medical term, like heterosexual. Gay is a now popular slang that replaces homosexual in non-medical or legal context.

You can take the word to mean happy. Nobody is stopping you. Some people are still using Gay as their last, middle and first name. Here's Rudy Gay.

Originally Posted by camper

Saying "That's so gay" should be outlawed due to it's inherant negativity? What a queer thing to be concerned with.

Well at least you agree that it's negative. But the ThinkB4YouSpeak.com campaign is not asking you to sign petitions to send to your congressman and woman to make "That's so gay" a federal offense. It's asking you to think before you speak. Specifically, it asks you to MEAN specifically what you say. If you asks a friend to buy you a grey shirt at Walmart, you don't want to say to him, "Get me a black shirt."

Peer pressure and group-think are the reason for this. Kids mimic things and phrases because they think it is cool to be part of the crowd. If only they would think before they mimic. You don't want a five-year old to tell your fiance, "Shut that b*tch up, mofo!"

Seriously, I take offense that a person who doesn't condone, accept, or agree with the homosexual (LGBT) lifestyle is immediately labelled a homophobe.

I wouldn't have done so.

If there's one thing I learned in Tolerance classes in school, is that you must tolerate my beliefs and opinions whether you like or agree with them or not. Which means you should stop telling me how I should feel or think and empathize with my opinions even if they are contrary to yours. At least, that's what's required of ME if I don't agree with your (or anyone else's) particular lifestyle, so I assume those espousing the idea of tolerance would be willing to abide by the same requirement they wish others to live by. Kind of defeats their whole premise if they refuse, eh?

I agree.

A tolerant society is built upon the idea that a cohesive community will exist only if they behave as one, regardless of how different each person in the community is. However people often make the mistake that behaving as one to mean being compliant or subserviant. It is not. Behaving as one doesn't mean that your community must not change because your community gets new and different members.

Every community will have its painful growth spurts which will test the cohesion of the community but in the end, hopefully, the growth will make the community richer. For example, women's suffrage or the right to vote for women. Before New Zealand (go Kiwi!) did so in 1893, no other country in the world gave that right to women. Not even the US of A. Even then it was only until 1919 before the Kiwi women are given the right to stand for parliament.

Humanity needs these painful growth spurts. We need the ones that make us all better in the end.

Originally Posted by camper

But if someone believes that the foundation of society is ultimately the family unit as a cohesive building block that shouldn't be comprimised and they see homosexuality as compromising the family unit then, they are immediately labelled as being afraid of change and therefore homo-phobic.

So what is the family unit? To be more relevant, what is the family unit as it is defined NOW?

Previously families were fathers and mothers with four or more children as the "norm". This happened because of infant mortality rate and short life-expectancy. Our forefathers and mothers played the odds that the surviving children will carry on contributing to the community. Now in some countries, single- and divorced- parents (with supporting family members and friends as the father/mother-figures) are the norm.

All of us have come to this point because of the growth spurts. World civilization didn't come to an end because of the end of slavery, voting rights and civil rights. I don't think equal rights (to the homophobes, gay rights) will cause Arma-Gettin' It On. Again, look at the UK, Israel, Canada and Massachusetts and other countries. (yes, I know Massachusetts is not a country in itself but I heard some things about Texas...)

Interesting how you excuse those who disagree based on religious reasons, considering EVERY outspoken supporter of the LGBT movement brands those people as the most fearful and homo-phobic.

I'm not him/her.

But apart from the "holy book", what is the reason? Again because of the growth spurts, all of us have shown that we have been coexisting for so long. We will continue to do so long as the ozone layer is intact and the greenhouse gases are kept to a minimum level.

Do you need to go into the slums of Dehli where a cardboard box is a luxery, to LEARN if you don't want to live a life of poverty? Not everything needs to be learned, I don't need to 'understand' the scat culture to know that crapping on my wedding china and consuminging it gleefully is something I have positively no interest in.

There are things that can be learned from a text book then there's some things that require more of you to be able to empathize. Most of these kinds of things are sorta universal.

For example, the death of your parents, or of being robbed, or skinny dipping in the warm open ocean. You can read about it and be told about it by those who've experienced it first hand but until you get to that point, you can never know how deep and resonating it can feel.

Saying hateful and spiteful things, I agree is uncalled for--regardless of what side is saying what. I just think that taking such a stance on this one comment of "that's so gay" is frankly, rediculous. Especially when you factor in that it has NOTHING to do with homosexuality.

THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT!

"That's so gay" has got nothing to do about homosexuality. It's being used in its current slang to mean stupid or bad. So then why aren't these teens saying it exactly what they mean - That's so stupid!

The problem is the underlying connotation is that being gay is stupid or bad. For teens to do it extensively in and out of school, it will make their LBGT peers feel bad. Again, they mimic before they think. It should be common sense to them but since when are a group of teens have a group common sense? So far, I don't think the Israel government has produced a promotional travel brochure with a small section that warns travelers not to say, "That's so Jew!" It's just common sense that is is wrong to say it.

The contributing factor to that is the environment aka local situation. If all the adults people in the neighborhood thinks nothing to insult somebody because of something they were born with or who they are, the kids in that neighborhood will carry on with that kind of thinking. They just don't know any better.

Originally Posted by ZackL

Who takes the time to give a shit about this stuff? Do people not have day jobs and fun hobbies they would rather focus on then this?

Because we are all connected. Who makes your BD discs and players? Which countries are they from? How are they affected by the local and global politics and economy?

Being a grown up is about balancing fun and responsibility. This ONE thread is about being responsible. The rest of this site is about fun.


fuad

[jw]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

classic!! Almost as good as the gaydar thing I saw somewhere

[DrinkMore]

Where is the hand measurement thingy if your bi?

[Blue]

I don't really think this is the place to sort this issue out. This site aims to be non sexist, non racist etc. We deliberately avoid topics such as Religion, politics etc.
Can I suggest you take this topic to a site better set-up to mange this sort of discussion. Thank you all for participation in this thread and it's now closed before it gets out of hand.