MPI's "Baraka" freezes/skips in BDP-S550 - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

redwing69 · 10-31-2008, 08:59 PM

Skips for me too. Same spot. Samsung-1500

thebluemax · 11-01-2008, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by online365daysayear

My copy jumps in chapter 19 when the lady is wasing her hands in the water. I have a PS3 with the latest 2.50 firmware. It skips at 13:19 and jumps about 15 seconds ahead and sometimes up to 35 seconds. That area seems to be defective as rarely it plays through fine, but most of the times it skips.

Exactly where mine freezes and skips

JasonR · 11-01-2008, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by online365daysayear

My copy jumps in chapter 19 when the lady is wasing her hands in the water. I have a PS3 with the latest 2.50 firmware. It skips at 13:19 and jumps about 15 seconds ahead and sometimes up to 35 seconds. That area seems to be defective as rarely it plays through fine, but most of the times it skips.

Should have got an S350!!!

I'm kidding...

Very strange it would happen on all of these players, except the S350 though....

thebluemax · 11-01-2008, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonR

Should have got an S350!!!

I'm kidding...

Very strange it would happen on all of these players, except the S350 though....

Plays perfect on my Sony BDP-S1

JasonR · 11-01-2008, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by thebluemax

Plays perfect on my Sony BDP-S1

What is really weird is that it plays on the S350, but not the S550...

TATTOORAY · 11-01-2008, 06:09 AM

Maybe it's just a batch of bad discs and not the entire run. Mine plays fine in my PS3. This movie is pretty awesome. VERY thought provoking. If you are able, check out "Chronos", another amazing release from the same director.

Russell_L · 11-01-2008, 06:40 AM

My copy plays fine on my Pioneer 95D...

kevhaw · 11-01-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thebluemax

"BARAKA" Freezes And Skips At Chapter 19(tried 3 Copies) On The Bdp-s550. The Disc Plays Perfect On My Sony Bdp-s1.

Need Firware Update

I bought a copy at Best Buy today and sure enough, it froze at the same The spot- the closeup of the woman standing in the water. The picture froze there but the counter kept going!
My player is a S350. Now I have an LG BH200 and I tried the disc in that player. It also paused, but it was able to pickup where it left off and carry on at that point. Problem is there was about 10 such pauses by the end of the film! Major pain to have the film pause for 1-3 seconds and then continue, 10 times or so!
I will be exchanging my copy too tomorrow and hope for the best. I have a theory... I think the tightly shrinkwrapped cardboard packaging may be causing a "micro-warpage" of the disc. I know in the old laserdisc days, warping would lead to playability issues....

JasonR · 11-01-2008, 08:24 PM

Check for scuffs on the disc. Mine did that, and I had to clean it.

jw · 11-01-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonR

Check for scuffs on the disc. Mine did that, and I had to clean it.

that crappy packaging

...But yea it played fine in my s350 as well and I thought it and the 550 were the same beast

kevhaw · 11-01-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonR

Check for scuffs on the disc. Mine did that, and I had to clean it.

I held the disc under a bright light and it was fine. I'll try doing a swap tomorrow, or even seeing if the Best Buy clerks will let me spin the disc in one of their Sony demo players. The exact spot is ch.19 1 hour, 13 minutes, 20 seconds.

online365daysayear · 11-01-2008, 10:58 PM

I checked my disc and it was fine. I cleaned it even though it really did not need to be. Amazon is shipping me another one now. Hopefully this one is ok. The packaging does not help the disc at all. They should insert some type of cloth inside to protect it.

kevhaw · 11-02-2008, 03:31 AM

I checked my disc again and noticed some concentric scuffing. I'm pretty sure that the disc is minutely warped. The scuffing would be from the laser pickup in the dvd player making contact with the disc. Exact same thing used to happen to warped laserdiscs.
I cleaned the scuffs until the disc was clean and tried it again in my LG. It did the same pauses as before. I checked, and sure enough there were a few concentric scuffs again.
I cleaned the disc and tried it in my Sony. It froze at the same spot. But, this time, when I chapter skipped to chapter 20, it played fine for the rest of the movie. The first time I played the movie on the S350, even when I chapter skipped, it acted up. No scuff marks when I checked this time.
I'm now wondering if the packaging itself is the real culprit. Maybe once the shrink wrap is removed, the disc is slowly becoming "unwarped" as it no longer has that pressure to deal with.
I'm still going to take it back to Best Buy and see what they say. It could simply be that the people that are having no issues, are getting copies that have slightly less shrink wrap tension.
Have the other people who've noticed the freezeups and playability issues also noticed concentric scuff marks?

thebluemax · 11-02-2008, 04:03 AM

This is really annoying, here they go to great lengths to produce an outstanding PQ and AQ BD and stick it in lousey packaging and to top it off the discs are defective. Apparently some players can play it it fine-WTF.

JasonR · 11-02-2008, 04:05 AM

My S350 plays it fine after cleaning the scuffing (there are still some small scratches), it has to be a disc problem for anyone that has this player.

kevhaw · 11-02-2008, 10:58 PM

I picked up another copy of Baraka today. It seems worse than the first copy. It freezes up a couple of minutes before the lady in the water.
I really believe the issue is the packaging. The shrink wrap is simply warping these dvds, because there is no hard plastic keepcase to protect the fragile disc.
I have the dvd in a spare blu-ray case and will see how it plays in a week or so. My theory is it will "de-warp" and play better in time.
I'll post here how the movie fares in a week or so.

EG Ryan · 11-03-2008, 02:45 AM

I've also had the freezing issue with "Baraka". I've tried two different copies, both from Best Buy in Elk Grove, CA. Both freeze about 5-10 seconds into Ch. 19. When the disc freezes up, the playback also does some weird things when I try to skip ahead chapters or skip back chapters. Sometimes it will skip ahead a chapter and play fine. Other times, it will stay frozen. Same thing will happen when trying to skip back a chapter.

Other than the problem with Ch. 19, the rest of the disc plays totally fine. Looks and sounds great, too, by the way!

I haven't checked yet to see if there are any surface blemishes or warping to the disc itself.

I've also sent an email to MPI Video (the producers of the "Baraka" disc) to see if they were aware of any problems with the disc. I'll post any info I receive from them (if any!).

I have a Sony BDP-BX1 (same unit as the BDP-S350) with the 010 firmware upgrade.

Bobby Henderson · 11-03-2008, 03:26 AM

It really seems like the environmentally "green" packaging on Baraka has defeated its own purpose.

Lots of customers who buy this disc may end up buying other "non-green" plastic cases to hold the disc more safely. Defective discs are being returned to stores and destined to eventually find their way to a land fill somewhere. At least the paperboard cases will decompose just fine. Don't know about the plastic discs.

kevhaw · 11-03-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Henderson

It really seems like the environmentally "green" packaging on Baraka has defeated its own purpose.

Lots of customers who buy this disc may end up buying other "non-green" plastic cases to hold the disc more safely. Defective discs are being returned to stores and destined to eventually find their way to a land fill somewhere. At least the paperboard cases will decompose just fine. Don't know about the plastic discs.

I remember when An Inconvenient Truth came to dvd. They also used environmentally safe packaging, but did not use tight shrink wrap! They used a loose mylar envelope!
You'd think the manufacturer of the dvd would have the brains not to risk warping their product. I have a feeling this dvd will have one of the highest returns in the industry.
I guess Roger Ebert must have been lucky enough to get a good copy

kevhaw · 11-03-2008, 06:51 AM

It just occurred to me that the Sony S350 is an entry-level player. I'm wondering if the error correction circuitry is just too basic to handle warped discs?
I wonder how this disc would fare on the lastest Pioneer Elite blu-ray player? That jewel must be able to compensate for minor warpage...

11-01-2008, 10:58 PM	#32
online365daysayear Expert Member Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Newtown, PA Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:731 Trading Score:2	I checked my disc and it was fine. I cleaned it even though it really did not need to be. Amazon is shipping me another one now. Hopefully this one is ok. The packaging does not help the disc at all. They should insert some type of cloth inside to protect it. Last edited by online365daysayear; 11-02-2008 at 03:17 AM.

11-02-2008, 04:03 AM	#34
thebluemax Expert Member Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 1	This is really annoying, here they go to great lengths to produce an outstanding PQ and AQ BD and stick it in lousey packaging and to top it off the discs are defective. Apparently some players can play it it fine-WTF. Last edited by thebluemax; 11-02-2008 at 04:08 AM. Reason: add

11-03-2008, 02:45 AM	#37
EG Ryan Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Elk Grove, CA	Baraka freezing too I've also had the freezing issue with "Baraka". I've tried two different copies, both from Best Buy in Elk Grove, CA. Both freeze about 5-10 seconds into Ch. 19. When the disc freezes up, the playback also does some weird things when I try to skip ahead chapters or skip back chapters. Sometimes it will skip ahead a chapter and play fine. Other times, it will stay frozen. Same thing will happen when trying to skip back a chapter. Other than the problem with Ch. 19, the rest of the disc plays totally fine. Looks and sounds great, too, by the way! I haven't checked yet to see if there are any surface blemishes or warping to the disc itself. I've also sent an email to MPI Video (the producers of the "Baraka" disc) to see if they were aware of any problems with the disc. I'll post any info I receive from them (if any!). I have a Sony BDP-BX1 (same unit as the BDP-S350) with the 010 firmware upgrade.

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10-31-2008, 08:59 PM	#21
redwing69 Member Member since:Oct 2008 Blu-ray reviews:1	Skips for me too. Same spot. Samsung-1500

11-01-2008, 06:09 AM	#26
TATTOORAY Active Member Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Mos Eisley	Maybe it's just a batch of bad discs and not the entire run. Mine plays fine in my PS3. This movie is pretty awesome. VERY thought provoking. If you are able, check out "Chronos", another amazing release from the same director.

11-01-2008, 06:40 AM	#27
Russell_L Senior Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:San Francisco Home Theater Gallery:2 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:800 DVD collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 11	My copy plays fine on my Pioneer 95D...

11-01-2008, 08:24 PM	#29
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	Check for scuffs on the disc. Mine did that, and I had to clean it.

11-02-2008, 03:31 AM	#33
kevhaw Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Canada	I checked my disc again and noticed some concentric scuffing. I'm pretty sure that the disc is minutely warped. The scuffing would be from the laser pickup in the dvd player making contact with the disc. Exact same thing used to happen to warped laserdiscs. I cleaned the scuffs until the disc was clean and tried it again in my LG. It did the same pauses as before. I checked, and sure enough there were a few concentric scuffs again. I cleaned the disc and tried it in my Sony. It froze at the same spot. But, this time, when I chapter skipped to chapter 20, it played fine for the rest of the movie. The first time I played the movie on the S350, even when I chapter skipped, it acted up. No scuff marks when I checked this time. I'm now wondering if the packaging itself is the real culprit. Maybe once the shrink wrap is removed, the disc is slowly becoming "unwarped" as it no longer has that pressure to deal with. I'm still going to take it back to Best Buy and see what they say. It could simply be that the people that are having no issues, are getting copies that have slightly less shrink wrap tension. Have the other people who've noticed the freezeups and playability issues also noticed concentric scuff marks?

11-02-2008, 04:05 AM	#35
JasonR Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:12	My S350 plays it fine after cleaning the scuffing (there are still some small scratches), it has to be a disc problem for anyone that has this player.

11-02-2008, 10:58 PM	#36
kevhaw Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Canada	I picked up another copy of Baraka today. It seems worse than the first copy. It freezes up a couple of minutes before the lady in the water. I really believe the issue is the packaging. The shrink wrap is simply warping these dvds, because there is no hard plastic keepcase to protect the fragile disc. I have the dvd in a spare blu-ray case and will see how it plays in a week or so. My theory is it will "de-warp" and play better in time. I'll post here how the movie fares in a week or so.

11-03-2008, 03:26 AM	#38
Bobby Henderson Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Oklahoma Blu-ray collection:96 Blu-ray reviews: 12	It really seems like the environmentally "green" packaging on Baraka has defeated its own purpose. Lots of customers who buy this disc may end up buying other "non-green" plastic cases to hold the disc more safely. Defective discs are being returned to stores and destined to eventually find their way to a land fill somewhere. At least the paperboard cases will decompose just fine. Don't know about the plastic discs.

11-03-2008, 06:51 AM	#40
kevhaw Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Canada	It just occurred to me that the Sony S350 is an entry-level player. I'm wondering if the error correction circuitry is just too basic to handle warped discs? I wonder how this disc would fare on the lastest Pioneer Elite blu-ray player? That jewel must be able to compensate for minor warpage...

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