PSP2 specs supposedly leaked...

[jkwest]

great new info, xtop!

my PSP stash will idley continue to grow.

[Shin-Ra]

Machine translations aren't the best but..

Sony should not be delayed much beyond the end of the year to announce this new brand iteration of PlayStation Portable

This greatly brings into doubt the credibility of the story.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

Machine translations aren't the best but..


This greatly brings into doubt the credibility of the story.

i think thats just trying to say we wont see an announcement this year, which makes sense anyways..right?

i mean..everyone sees this thread is from last year right?

[Shin-Ra]

You expect them to announce PSP2 early next year?

[jkwest]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

You expect them to announce PSP2 early next year?

I think by next holiday season..release in the spring of '11.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

You expect them to announce PSP2 early next year?

i think these rumors are starting to pile up and start sounding likely. whether that means we see a new psp next year like we have the last few...

if we're being honest, i think the psp-go was to get people used to no physical media, so they could launch a new psp(2) without people freaking out like they are now about the go

[fsavoie]

Originally Posted by xtop

i think these rumors are starting to pile up and start sounding likely. whether that means we see a new psp next year like we have the last few...

if we're being honest, i think the psp-go was to get people used to no physical media, so they could launch a new psp(2) without people freaking out like they are now about the go

So if true, they should wait that people first buy the psp go... then get use with no physical media before any announcement of a PSP2

[xtop]

Originally Posted by fsavoie

So if true, they should wait that people first buy the psp go... then get use with no physical media before any announcement of a PSP2

which puts it in the timeframe max gave

[PA_Kid]

Originally Posted by xtop

i think these rumors are starting to pile up and start sounding likely. whether that means we see a new psp next year like we have the last few...

if we're being honest, i think the psp-go was to get people used to no physical media, so they could launch a new psp(2) without people freaking out like they are now about the go

I agree with your second point - the go is just the excuse to push all-digital without being asked too hard why. Seriously, if Sony had tried to make an all digital push without the Go, everyone and their brother would be crying "PSP2 incoming!" Nobody would buy the idea that they were intentionally trying to retire the UMD mid-generation.

Shin, is it possible it's another fiscal vs calendar thing too? I tend to agree with you that early next year (after they just released the Go in October) seems a bit too early even for just a basic announcement and it would probably cut into Go sales - but what if they are talking fiscal year and it gets announced March/April 2010 at the earliest?

Actually, looking at the times on how most systems (including nintendo handhelds) have moved from one generation to the next, I wouldn't be surprised if they announce something early next year anyway. PSP -> PSPGo -> PSP2 wouldn't be that different of a timeline from Gameboy -> Gameboy Color -> Gameboy Advanced.

[fsavoie]

Originally Posted by xtop

which puts it in the timeframe max gave

yeah but I would tend to think more 2011/2012 for PSP2. Announcement next year around E3 and lunch the year after or so.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by fsavoie

yeah but I would tend to think more 2011/2012 for PSP2. Announcement next year around E3 and lunch the year after or so.

we wouldn't be hearing rumblings about its innards 3 years before its launch. and besides..if its only going to have that chipset in 2012, its gonna be pretty slow compared to other pmp's

[fsavoie]

Originally Posted by xtop

we wouldn't be hearing rumblings about its innards 3 years before its launch. and besides..if its only going to have that chipset in 2012, its gonna be pretty slow compared to other pmp's

I agree with you, but its just the fact to let people getting use to no physical media... and the time so some people buy psp go. I would expect an announcement of PSP2 too soon would kill PSP GO.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by fsavoie

I agree with you, but its just the fact to let people getting use to no physical media... and the time so some people buy psp go. I would expect an announcement of PSP2 too soon would kill PSP GO.

i can see what you're saying, and sorta agree. but i think people expect different things from handhelds. and would generally be ok with another new psp in 1-2 years from now

[The Don]

I would love for the PSP2 to say Sony Ericsson on it....they are my favorite brand of phone right there with Nokia...

[partridge]

With PSPgo around the corner and some big name games coming out at the same time, I would be surprised if Sony poured water on their own parade by announcing PSP2 anytime soon.

I don't even think we'll hear anything at next years E3

They still need to make PSP a real success before moving on. PSP is a perfectly capable device, it's just been a bit "lost" for most of its life.

Given MS hints that they will release a portable at some point, Sony might sit back and see what they do so they can release something better.

[Icemage]

I'm not expecting a PSP2 for another 2 years (2011). Sony will put any information on lockdown until then, to avoid the Osborne Effect.

[PA_Kid]

Considering the PSP2 will most likely be backwards compatible, I'm surprised so many people think that it has to be spaced significantly after the Go release.

Go releases in October - sells at current price through Christmas. First quarter price drop occurs on PSP 3000 and PSPGo (assuming digital download sales indicate market acceptance). End of first quarter we hear the first substantial rumblings that the PSP2 is real. E3 we get the official reveal - with an early-mid 2011 release.

(Not saying that's a fact, just that it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.)

I could see Sony announcing it but being clear that they will continue to support the PSP through a 10 year life cycle like the PS2. Look at how the PS2 still sells based on it's price. A cheaper PSP could draw in the non-early adopters that won't be willing to spend 250+ on the PSP2 and then be converted to PSP2 owners as the price drops.

Backward compatibility and the smaller screen size means (to me) that it will be much easier for Sony to seamlessly transition people from PSP to PSP2. Not only will backwards compatability allow everyone to keep playing old games, but there won't be the same gap between playing a PSP game on the PSP2 that there is playing a PS2 game on a PS3. (Personally I think the biggest changes will end up being a Go-like slide, a second analog nub, a touch screen, and a phone option that allows PSN and remote play access through the phone.)

[xtop]

a rehash of whats been rumored for awhile now..but any news is good news yea?

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-graphics.aspx

It looks like the stage is set for a big handheld console showdown in 2010. Endangered by rising sales of games for iPhone and OTA downloads instead of conventional cartridge/memory card games, both Nintendo and Sony have to prove that their hardware isn't going on the path of Amiga [proprietary gaming "PC" using Motorola's CPU architecture from 1980s and 1990s], but rather can live in today's connected world.

After we disclosed the relationship between Nintendo and nVidia on the next-generation hardware, we learned that handheld-refresh cycle is in full speed over at Sony as well. If we take a look at PlayStation Portable hardware [both conventional and the PSP Go] since launch, we can see that one problems that Sony has is the use of different hardware over the course of lifetime. Sony released four PSP handhelds mostly relying on 32-bit MIPS R4000 CPU core with 8MB eDRAM as the "Media Engine" clocked at 222 MHz [later unlocked to 333 MHz, PSP Go can overclock to 480 MHz], while the graphics subsystem relies on a proprietary chip featuring 2MB of eDRAM, clocked at 166 MHz.

Naturally, this hardware doesn't exactly have the compute power to tackle the last generation of cellphones, and with the 2010 phones offering HD output capabilities, the time was up for current generation of hardware. Sony begun work on PSP2 back in 2008 and unofficially announced the selection of graphics hardware: on November 24th, 2008 Imagination Technologies ran a press release stating that "Imagination Technologies Group plc has signed a license agreement with a new partner, a major international consumer electronics company, for a high-performance forthcoming member of Imagination's POWERVR SGX graphics processor family."
The client, "major international Consumer Electronics Company" was no other than Sony Corporation and the chip at hand are known as PowerVR SGX543. On CES 2009, Imagination Technologies introduced the PowerVR Series SGX architecture and on March 16th, 2009 Imagination Technologies ran a press release introducing the details of this part. Even though the introduction was low-key and wasn't picked up by tech media, seven months later we finally saw what the architecture can to.

The power of this chip is quite impressive, easily beating integrated graphics parts on PC platform. For instance, it flat-out beats the living daylights out of PowerVR core integrated in Intel's Atom platform. According to the sources close to heart of the company, the SGX543 for PlayStation Portable 2 can reach theoretical performance of desktop graphics cards released during this year, an impressive feat indeed. Imagination Technologies recently passed the 200 million shipped SoC chips milestone, but with PSP2 deal, that number is sure to grow by at least 30-40 million units more.

Now, the interesting part about the PowerVR is that it is a true MIMD [Multiple Instruction-Multiple Data http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIMD ] architecture. In their press releases, ImgTech is bragging about the capabilities of the "GP-GPU", but even if we take a look at the specifications with the cold head, a lot of surprises are in store. The multi-core design is available in dual, quad, octal and sedec-core variants [SGX543MP2, SGX543MP4, SGX543MP8, SGX543MP16], and they're by no means slouches.

For instance, a quad-core version SGX543MP4 at only 200 MHz frequency delivers 133 million polygons per second and offers fill-rate of four billion pixels per second [4GPixel/s], in the range of GeForce 8600 cards. For that matter, 4GPixel/s runs 40nm GeForce GT210 [2.5 GPixel/s] into the ground. Given that GeForce GT210 runs at 589 MHz for the core and 1.4 GHz for shaders. Since PowerVR SGX543 targets handheld devices, there is no saying what the performance plateau is.
An eight core SGX543MP8 at 200 MHz delivers 266 million polygons and eight billion pixels per second, while faster clocked version, for instance, at 400 MHz would deliver 532 million polygons and 16 billion pixels per second. 16 billion pixels per second equal GeForce GTX 260-216, for instance.

After analyzing the performance at hand, it is no wonder that Sony chose to go with PowerVR for the next-generation PlayStation Portable. While the exact details of the SoC are still in question, our take is that Sony could go with quad-core setup at 400MHz [8GPixel/s], paired with a dual-core CPU based on ARM Cortex architecture. This would put Sony direct in line against Tegra-powered Nintendo DS2, PowerVR-based Apple's iPhone 4G and Palm Pre2.

With all the major players selecting ARM cores for their current or next-generation products, it looks like the second decade of 21st century will be marked with the battle royal between ARM and x86 architecture in the handheld space [with the advantage firmly in ARM's hands]. Given the installed user base of 15 billion ARM-powered devices and a plan to ship 15 billion more in the next five years, it looks like Intel x86 and AVX will have to wait until 2015 to get the chance to compete against ARM, PowerVR, Mali and GeForce IP, as far as handheld space goes.

When it comes to Sony PlayStation Portable Gen2, selecting PowerVR was the right way to go and since the company unofficially stated [but officially acted] that they don't give a darn about backwards compatibility [take a look at PlayStation 1-2-3 and PSP-PSP Go], programmers will just have to get used to utilizing the ARM core and PowerVR SGX graphics to the max.

We also learned of the PSP2 planned release date, but in order to protect our sources, we'll keep that information for another story. Let's just say it is within the next 12 months.

The Battle Royal for handheld gaming 2010
Apple iPhone 3G s / 4G = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
HTC = ARM Cortex + PowerVR
Microsoft Zune HD = ARM11 + GeForce 6
Nintendo DS2 = ARM Cortex + GeForce 9
Nokia platform = ARM11 only
Palm Pre 2 = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
RIM BlackBerry = ARM9 only
Samsung = ARM Cortex + PowerVR SGX
Sony PSP2 = ARM ? + PowerVR SGX

[aygie]

read that today too, interesting indeed. But the only question anyone will ask is....does it have 2 analog sticks?

[xtop]

gaf got 6+ pages of replies to this news. everyone stop caring about the psp2 or is it the title? lol