Is Blu-Ray Hype?

[Blu-Ray Blu-Ray]

Thanks for the replies, they've all been very helpful. As a tech executive whose hacker skills have long since atrophied, Roggster's comments really hit home. His insight is something that technology companies (I work in the chip industry) still haven't been able to deliver, and I was a little dissapointed to learn that the Home Theater-industry (if that's the right term) had migrated to a problematic out-of-the-box approach as well.

I took the group's advice and set my set to 60hz for videos, and that has made a difference. But I played a standard DVD today, and while the resolution was inferior to BD, my wife preferred its cinema-like feel. So I'll keep tuning, and following the links and advice the you all have provided.

Also, thanks rwojtalewicz for your advice. I'm going to pickup a calibration BD, and your suggestion to google settings for my set, was, like the best ideas, obvious only in hindsight; ex ante i would have never thought of it.

Thanks again.

[FIDDYPOP]

I have the Tv listed below how does the motion flow make a difference when watching movies? Please explain in simplest terms. For I am a dummy.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Frag

First off,120 hz and the auto motion plus of the samsung sets are two completely different things. You can NOT turn off the 120 hz refresh rate on any 120 hz tv. The picture you are describing comes from the motion processing of your set. When watching blu-rays you want this set to off. It is set to medium by default. Go into your picture settings and set it to off and also make sure you blu-ray player is set to output at 24 fps and you will see just what blu-ray is all about.

no you can turn it off which reverts to standard 60 hz refresh rate. or you can activate 120hz in three diff settings. low med high. or OFF. on the new Samsung sets at least. and watching a blu-ray on 120hz is just personal preference. depending on the movie and picture settings. it can make a difference in pq. it just depends on what you like. i have the 24fps turned off on my player, and i promise that my set up is top notch, and pq/aq are close to perfect.

[orion]

ohh and no blu ray is not hype. it is the reason why hd is here and here to stay... that and sports!

[Jeff Kleist]

no you can turn it off which reverts to standard 60 hz refresh rate. or you can activate 120hz in three diff settings. low med high. or OFF. on the new Samsung sets at least. and watching a blu-ray on 120hz is just personal preference. depending on the movie and picture settings. it can make a difference in pq. it just depends on what you like. i have the 24fps turned off on my player, and i promise that my set up is top notch, and pq/aq are close to perfect.

Hertz is the measurement of how many times per second the screen refreshes. You can't have it "low, medium, high".

At 60Hz it's just doing 2:2 pulldown, displaying each frame twice

At 24p, it's doing 5:5 pulldown. You should turn that on

[Jamoctopus]

If it was hype, this forum wouldn't be doing so well

[dwaynecheroke]

Blu-Ray is eye sex!

With any "new" technology, people need to read, understand and become acclimated with the software, hardware and firmware. Just because it costs thousands of dollars, doesn't mean it's going to walk itself into your vehicle, drive you to your home get out and start working how YOU want it to.

The OP obviously has a hardware issue whether it's his TV or the Disc Player.

Troubleshooting is apart of ALL electronics. Nothing new here.

Keep it Blu!

[Frag]

Originally Posted by orion

no you can turn it off which reverts to standard 60 hz refresh rate. or you can activate 120hz in three diff settings. low med high. or OFF. on the new Samsung sets at least. and watching a blu-ray on 120hz is just personal preference. depending on the movie and picture settings. it can make a difference in pq. it just depends on what you like. i have the 24fps turned off on my player, and i promise that my set up is top notch, and pq/aq are close to perfect.

The Samsung sets refresh at 120 hz at all times. The AMP feature adds interpolated frames to reduce motion blur. When watching blu-rays at 24p (which is the way they were shot originally) you need to set it to off so the set can do the 5:5 cadence at 120 hz to watch the film correctly. The set never reverts to 60 hz. See this chart which shows HDTV's that do true 5:5.

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home...rame-rate.html

[orion]

Originally Posted by Frag

The Samsung sets refresh at 120 hz at all times. The AMP feature adds interpolated frames to reduce motion blur. When watching blu-rays at 24p (which is the way they were shot originally) you need to set it to off so the set can do the 5:5 cadence at 120 hz to watch the film correctly. The set never reverts to 60 hz. See this chart which shows HDTV's that do true 5:5.

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/home...rame-rate.html

thanks for the link. always good to have useful info. my display looks really great now. your saying that @24 and amp off that it will look even better?
with my sony sxrd 60hz 1080p set, i had the 24p method on. (my player is a ps3) everything worked great and the picture was beautiful. i got this samsung set..didnt change any configurations, same hdmi, everything. and it wouldnt play bd movies with the 24p on. so i turned it off and it worked.
so this new samsung set doesnt support the 24p? thats what im starting to understand. hmmm.

[Frag]

Originally Posted by orion

thanks for the link. always good to have useful info. my display looks really great now. your saying that @24 and amp off that it will look even better?
with my sony sxrd 60hz 1080p set, i had the 24p method on. (my player is a ps3) everything worked great and the picture was beautiful. i got this samsung set..didnt change any configurations, same hdmi, everything. and it wouldnt play bd movies with the 24p on. so i turned it off and it worked.
so this new samsung set doesnt support the 24p? thats what im starting to understand. hmmm.

So when you set the PS3 to 24p and the Samsung has the AMP turned off it won't play the Blu-Ray? The main reason to have 120 hz is so the tv doesn't have to do 3:2 pulldown which can produce judder in the display. At 120 hz it does 5:5 and eliminates the judder.

The reason it should look better at 24p is that you are watching the blu-ray exactly as you would see in the movie theatre.

[ryoohki]

Originally Posted by Frag

So when you set the PS3 to 24p and the Samsung has the AMP turned off it won't play the Blu-Ray? The main reason to have 120 hz is so the tv doesn't have to do 3:2 pulldown which can produce judder in the display. At 120 hz it does 5:5 and eliminates the judder.

The reason it should look better at 24p is that you are watching the blu-ray exactly as you would see in the movie theatre.

5:5 doesn't eliminate judder, far from it. But you're getting the Cinema Judder without the interferance of 3:2 witch can cause more of it. Some display can do 5:5 or 4:4 with Interpolation On, some don't and do that when interpolation is on :

24fps---3:2 at 30, 30x4, + Interpolation at 120hz
24fps ---- 4:4 or 5:5 + Interpolation at 96/120hz

This is what can happen. If you disable Interpolation :

24fps ---- 5:5 or 4:4 --- 96/120hz (Cinema Judder)
24fps---3:2 at 30, 30x4 --- 120hz (Back at the same judder that was before)

[Frag]

What I intended to say was that it eliminates the extra judder caused by the pulldown.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Frag

So when you set the PS3 to 24p and the Samsung has the AMP turned off it won't play the Blu-Ray? The main reason to have 120 hz is so the tv doesn't have to do 3:2 pulldown which can produce judder in the display. At 120 hz it does 5:5 and eliminates the judder.

The reason it should look better at 24p is that you are watching the blu-ray exactly as you would see in the movie theatre.

yes no matter what with any setting on the tv... blu ray wont play with the 24p playback on...? wtf

[Blu3]

I like Roggster's comments. It's sad enough that tvs come tweaked all wrong from the store, e.g. contrast 100, etc., but then if you really want all that you paid for you need to get it calibrated. That's just ridiculous, and your avg. consumer will never know this and, sadly, base his own opinions about Blu on a wrongfull observation/experience. Do we all need to calibrate the engines in our cars after we buy them? - NO. The industry needs a bit more regulation. Manufacturer's should have each set calibrated from factory to national standards (color, etc.) at each setting's mid-point, the user can then adjust (out of spec) to his/her liking.

I've seen this effect in stores as well. I don't know what the cause is like the gurus here, but I have noticed a difference between LCDs and plasmas. And I've only seen this with LCDs. I watched a bit of Transformers at a Sony store this past holiday and wow, while the PQ was better than my quickly outdaded 1080i Hitachi (which has an excellent PQ for what it is btw), many of the scenes had this computer animated LCD look to it, while other shots looked like they were shot with a handheld cammera, i.e. "live from the backyard". I didn't like it, and it distracted from the movie. At least on my plasma the look of each film is maintained throughout the film, keeping you in the story/experience. I don't know, call me crazy, and LCDs may have prettier crisper colors, but I still think more people should look at plasmas.