why doesnt blu look better than HDDVD?

[Red Hood]

I just want to be part of this thread.

[Blu As Hell]

Originally Posted by kaitoe

The company, be it Universal, Paramount, whatever, would have to re-encode the movie to make it look better. The encode was made to use the space on an HD-DVD to its fullest potential since they're encoding for the least common denominator. An increase in PQ would probably not justify having the cost for re-encoding the whole movie.

This is the best possible answer to the question at hand. Good job Kaitoe!

[FreddyC]

Blu ray doesn't have to look better, it's in high def and a really good encode looks great. HD DVD was a good format and blu ray has the potential to be a great format.

My only complaint with blu ray is when a title doesn't have the same special features as a SD release. I'd love to see the studios release SD DVD as a bare bones, movie and trailer only. Only put special features on the blu ray version. Blu ray should be the cream of the crop in DVD releases.

Freddy

[oilers000]

The real question is, why doesn't blu sound better... oh, wait a second....

[cembros]

Originally Posted by X-Ninja

It's the encodes. Any movies that are on both formats will have the same HD-DVD style Picture Quality. Just like any multiplatform games will look exactly the same as the 360 version. ...which is normally terrible. (Scratch that, its always terrible.)
Another thing that matters a lot is your calibration on your TV. There's calibration threads everywhere on this site, so i wont go into that.
And yes, obviously the sound on a blu-ray will be better than the average HD-DVD. Not sure if there's any Uncompressed audio on HD-DVDs or not. ...never really cared either since it was doomed from the start.

Anyway, There are many Blu-ray's out there that look and sound better than any HD-DVD. Casino Royale anyone?

movies that were on hd dvd for the most part look the exact same on blu ray, wheather or not your set is calibrated means nothing, if your set wasnt calibrated watching an hd dvd the picture isnt going to look worse when you watch a blu ray on that same set. Like you said what makes the blu rays better for the most part is the audio. Transformers had lossless audio on blu and bd live, which gave it the advantage, other than that its the exact same. Im not sure what you mean by casino royale, it was not on hd dvd

[Siri]

Originally Posted by Pyre

I just want to be part of this thread.

[Anthony P]

Because he is asking, he is not starting a fight, why jump down his throat,

who jumped down his throught, you said it was a legit question and I pointed out why it was not. It was assuming something false, most Parmount look better, most Universals look better, RBfilms look better, but Warners always used the same encode so they look the same. The truth is for many films the BD looks better. Pretending it is the opposite is just wrong. And pretending it is a fact is even more wrong. The issue is not only the OP but then you have coments like yours or Matt where facts have no place because if he wants to go around spouting stuff that are incorrect he should be able to.

[Blu-Jawa]

IMO it's not the format's but more the codec. I see that blu-ray uses AVC on films. but are any blu's made with the VC-1 codec? or was that one an HDDVD codec?? and another used is MPEG-2 at Higher bit rates IMO. I guess MPEG-4 is Only for TV.

but I also agree it could be your HDTV Setup.

[Anthony P]

Transformers had lossless audio on blu and bd live, which gave it the advantage, other than that its the exact same

no it is not, it looks better on the BD.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

who jumped down his throught, you said it was a legit question and I pointed out why it was not. It was assuming something false, most Parmount look better, most Universals look better, RBfilms look better, but Warners always used the same encode so they look the same. The truth is for many films the BD looks better. Pretending it is the opposite is just wrong. And pretending it is a fact is even more wrong. The issue is not only the OP but then you have coments like yours or Matt where facts have no place because if he wants to go around spouting stuff that are incorrect he should be able to.

no you are the one that is wrong, show some proof that they look better. Check every review and they will tell you that they look the exact same. Even better go find some side by side screen shots and tell me if they are better. It is unfair of you to just say they are better, you have provided no evidence or better yet no reason as to why they are better. All you have said is that they ARE better, please expand on that if you will/

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

no it is not, it looks better on the BD.

how so, what is your reasoning for that.

[UPSandy]

appearently all the movie studios voted nay....which they thought was for hddvd but what it actually meant was that blu-ray would be the superior format.....so it was all a big mix up....

[cembros]

Originally Posted by UPSandy

appearently all the movie studios voted nay....which they thought was for hddvd but what it actually meant was that blu-ray would be the superior format.....so it was all a big mix up....

nobody is suggesting that, just because blu ray movies on hd dvd do not look any better doesnt mean that blu ray is still not the superior format, check my previous comment about transformers

[UPSandy]

well thats just the word on the street anyway

[Anthony P]

Both Blu Ray and HD DVD can or could be mastered in a max resolution of 1080p. 1080p is 1080p yes we can get a higher bit rate on Blu's than they got on HD DVD but it is still a max of 1080p so there is no more picture resolution on Blu Ray than an HD DVD.

1080p is not 1080p. The movies are compressed. At no time do you have 1080x1920 distinct pieces of information, none of the formats can handle anything near that, when you compress more you destroy info by making some pixels dependent on others, so (assuming a normal pic, and not something extremely simple like an all black screen) if you compress it to 3mbps or 30mbps or 40mbps the info you will have when decoded is not the same, the 10mbps will be a more true 1080p while the 3mbps might not have any more info then a 480p image

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by kaitoe

The company, be it Universal, Paramount, whatever, would have to re-encode the movie to make it look better. The encode was made to use the space on an HD-DVD to its fullest potential since they're encoding for the least common denominator. An increase in PQ would probably not justify having the cost for re-encoding the whole movie.

What he just said.. The studios are CHEAP and used the exact same encoding that they made for HD DVD and just put it on Blu Ray instead of attempting to make a better encode to utilize the extra space that Blu provides.

Kind of disappointing.. Take Matrix, for example, instead of trying to make it better they just used the same small encode from hd dvd. Yes it still looks good but could it have been that much better with a better encode? We may never know. Kind of makes you wonder why it took them so long to release the hd dvd releases on Blu if they are just going to use the same darn encode. Perhaps they can't hire java programmers good enough to make the blu version of the menus and such.

[Anthony P]

how so, what is your reasoning for that.

my eyes, seeing the difference

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

my eyes, seeing the difference

so you have sat down and compared the hd dvd side by side with the blu ray?
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1175...rmers2007.html
'Transformers' is Paramount's top-selling next-gen title ever (on either format), and previously hit HD DVD back in 2007 with a 1080p/AVC MPEG-4 (2.40:1) encode. The studio has not messed with their golden goose for Blu-ray, and again trot out the same specs for this go-round. But that ain't bad news, because you can just about pick any scene on this disc and you've got great demo material.

[Anthony P]

IMO it's not the format's but more the codec. I see that blu-ray uses AVC on films. but are any blu's made with the VC-1 codec? or was that one an HDDVD codec?? and another used is MPEG-2 at Higher bit rates IMO. I guess MPEG-4 is Only for TV.

both can use the same video codecs, MPEG-2, VC1, AVC. Yes there are BDs that use VC1, but it was not as widely used as HD DVD because MS was pushing VC1 and HD DVD.

[Stang-Ray]

I dont see much difference between regular DVD and blu-ray anyways when playing movies on my PS3.