Audyssey set up ?

[Big Daddy]

Long Live the SPL Meter

Run to the closest Radio Shack. Buy one of these:

Radio Shack Digital SPL Meter ($49.99)

Radio Shack Analog SPL Meter ($44.99)

Read Calibrating Your Audio with an SPL Meter and calibrate your speakers again.

Write a nasty letter to Audyssey.

I have a middle finger emotion for Audyssey, but I am a gentleman.

[saprano]

You dont like audyssey BD? why?

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by saprano

You dont like audyssey BD? why?

Don't get me wrong. I like Audyssey, but I also understand the physics of waves so that I cannot fully trust a computer software program. I use Audyssey on my system and I still tweak it with an SPL meter.

[saprano]

Yea i think its a good idea to double check with an SPL after using audyssey. sometimes its a couple db off from 75.

[Go Blue]

Originally Posted by saprano

No it doesn't matter, audyssey is chaniging the subs level because your turning the volume nob up and down. and just to let you know, i dont know what anybody else is talking about, but the sub has NOTHING to do with what trims your speakers get. i reapeat nothing. i've ran audyssey a million times and played with my subs nob from the 12 o clock position, and half way down to the bottom. my speaker levels always end up around the same no matter what i have the sub volume at. audyssey sets each speakers trims. and your not going to get the same reading everytime even if you leave the mic in the same location.

And its not odd that your seeing those numbers, thats normal based on your room. everything must be at 75db from the listening position. the first position you run is where audyssey sets the Levels, distances, and delays. every other position it sets the crossovers and does the EQ. how many did you run?

Now who wants to argue me?

I ran it 3 times and everytime the db levels changed slightly. The sub changed most dramatically based on the volume I had the sub at. I guess I just don't understand how changing the volume on the sub would change the db level of my fronts from -2 to 0.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by saprano

Incorrect claim? i was right with everything i said. i was digging for proof so i could shut you up.

This is why i told the OP of that "other" thread that if you move the mic back a little from where you have it, your numbers might be a little higher. now you dont have to do it that way you can change it your self. but i think its better to let audyssey set everything and leave it the way it is. yes i do change stuff after i run adyssey, but only by like 2 db. the OP changed his trims all the way up to +10!

I'm not rehashing it. I can go into the thread and see their response to you, which is the same thing that I was saying. I will just say that if you use Audyssey to follow the guide that was posted earlier in this thread, and put the mic in your seating position.

Also, in the same thread, Audyssey mentioned that if you prefer you can move all the volume levels up at an equal rate- for example giving them all +5db to get them into positives. The negative to that of course is that you're not going to be at 75db at reference, but... honestly, who listens to their system that loud?

Here's the quote:

Originally Posted by audyssey

What does he mean by low? The levels are set so that you get close (within 2 dB) of reference (75 dB for –30 dBFS). Some people see negative trims on their speakers and panic. These are just relative numbers that are there to make your system play at reference. Trying to move the mic around to "trick" MultEQ into giving you different numbers doesn't make any sense.

If for some unknown reason he doesn't like the trims then he can just change them manually. No need to move the mic.

[saprano]

Oh wow! rehash what? theres no need for you to. did you not see what i posted on the last page? LOL! all those quotes i had are from chris and i was explaining my slelf. again everything i was saying before about the mic position i was 100% right. stop arguing with me, theres nothing to argue about.

[saprano]

Level information for setting the trims is taken from the first mic position. Mic placement does have an effect since if you're closer to some speakers than others, all other things being equal, the trim level will be lower for the speakers you are closer to. Of course all other things are rarely equal and where the speakers are placed in relation to the walls and furnishings also has an effect.

This is what i was trying to say ALL ALONG! you guys didn't understand what i was trying to say. this is how the argument started. theres no need for this back forth nonsense.

Originally Posted by aramis109

Also, in the same thread, Audyssey mentioned that if you prefer you can move all the volume levels up at an equal rate- for example giving them all +5db to get them into positives. The negative to that of course is that you're not going to be at 75db at reference, but... honestly, who listens to their system that loud?

Here's the quote:

I explained that already

Are you trying to make me look like a fool? cause its not working, just stop please.

Originally Posted by saprano

This is why i think its better to let audyssey set the trims based on "mic placment". unless you have an spl meter to adjust every channel you change back to 75db.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by schultz

I ran it 3 times and everytime the db levels changed slightly. The sub changed most dramatically based on the volume I had the sub at. I guess I just don't understand how changing the volume on the sub would change the db level of my fronts from -2 to 0.

The sub is not doing that, your not going to get the same results everytime you run audyssey.

And what i ment was how many positions did you run.

[DerrellB]

I say tune your eq manually and leave audyssey out of the equation and get a spl meter. I turned my audyssey off on my onkyo and set the eq to maual and turned each set of hertz for all my speakers by the way I like it and low and behold my system came to life. I will never use audyssey again. A spl meter and my ear will due the eq from now on. I do this in my car setup and and always liked my results but I always was disappointed with my sound with audyssey. Switching the eq from audyssey to manual and tuning each hertz level myself was the best move I could have made. Just my opinion hope it helps.

[aramis109]

Actually, I posted that because it was relevant to this conversation and another thread about Audyssey. Relax, the internet does not revolve around you.

[Go Blue]

Originally Posted by saprano

The sub is not doing that, your not going to get the same results everytime you run audyssey.

And what i ment was how many positions did you run.

I ran 3 positions, 3 times (center, left, and right).

[ryoohki]

Originally Posted by schultz

I ran 3 positions, 3 times (center, left, and right).

Well it's 0-2DB precise.. i mean the Radio Shack Analog Meter can be as sweyed as 5DB (it's readiing 75 on the reader, but it's never really that, it's 2-5DB more or less).

So it's normal to have slightly different result in the DB each time. Remember that if you change you're room and add an item, even if it's just a decoration, you should rerun the whole thing because it can change the EQ from only 1 speaker but it will do it.

Also Audyssey also correct audio lag witch play with the distance. Some sub have DSP in them that add lag into the audio. Some poeple see 24 Feet added to their sub and Panic like little girls. But it's NORMAL, the mic detected a lag in response in the sub and added distance to compensate.

I have a Denon 3808ci with Audyssey MultiEQ Xt + Dynamic EQ and i would NEVER.. EVER go back to not have it enable because seriously it sound like crap without it. This is also very variable with you're room..

[nismo604]

When I ran audyssey for the first time on my 805 my speaker levels came out to be 69dbs for all channels, did it again same result. After a little research I found out it has to do with the efficiency of my speakers. I have klipsch speakers highly efficient and because of that Audyssey would trim the levels below 75db. The fix was after you run audyssey to manually bump up the trims to 75db using an SPL meter. Of note regarding the sub, on the 805's manual, it says " THX recommends that you manually set up your sub".

[saprano]

Whats the efficiency of your speakers? im guessing over 100db? mines 89 to 90.

[HumanMedia]

Originally Posted by DerrellB

I say tune your eq manually and leave audyssey out of the equation and get a spl meter. I turned my audyssey off on my onkyo and set the eq to maual and turned each set of hertz for all my speakers by the way I like it and low and behold my system came to life. I will never use audyssey again. A spl meter and my ear will due the eq from now on. I do this in my car setup and and always liked my results but I always was disappointed with my sound with audyssey. Switching the eq from audyssey to manual and tuning each hertz level myself was the best move I could have made. Just my opinion hope it helps.

Previously I would have agreed with you, but the upgraded Audessey with dynamic EQ is better than doing it manually - greater reading accuracy and more control points than what you can enter manually.

[HumanMedia]

Originally Posted by ryoohki

I have a Denon 3808ci with Audyssey MultiEQ Xt + Dynamic EQ and i would NEVER.. EVER go back to not have it enable because seriously it sound like crap without it. This is also very variable with you're room..

Couldnt agree more, in fact my guess is that the old version EQed for a 0db level, which you would never use. Using it at anything less would have lows rolled off. The new version is dynamic and sounds spectacular.

[nismo604]

Originally Posted by saprano

Whats the efficiency of your speakers? im guessing over 100db? mines 89 to 90.

I forget, it's in the 90's for sure, don't know the exact figure, but yeah adjusting the trims higher won't affect audyssey. Adjusting your crossover higher won't affect it either, but adjusting it lower than what Audyssey set your system will affect it as it didn't eq down to that setting.

[Go Blue]

How do you get or know if you have Audyssey with Dynamic EQ?

[sptrout]

Originally Posted by schultz

How do you get or know if you have Audyssey with Dynamic EQ?

Only the new 2009 models (XX6) have the new Dynamic XX features.