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[wdhays]

Originally Posted by sorce360

.. only difference between the Pioneer VSX-03TXH and the VSX-01TXH is HDMI Jitter Reduction that may account for the weight difference ... But is it worth $250 more??? .. I personally have no clue what this feature does? But IM SURE I CAN LIVE WITH-OUT IT ..lol

Pioneer's website shows an 8 lb difference when you do a compare between the two. But, when you read the product brochure, they are identical.

At least they are not claiming to have something that they don't, like Onkyo's 806 & BTL.

[wdhays]

Originally Posted by sorce360

I addressed the fact that the 706 had no Dynamic Vol... I guess you can make an argumment that both Dynamic Vol. and EQ play a role In the correction of undesired level fluxuation (which plays a biggger role? dats debate-able) .. bottom line, to achive the best results Audyssey XT (with Dynamic Vol ) should provide better results .. but I don't think it warrants the $250 price diff. ..

Read the descriptions again. One is like a computerized loudness feature while the other specifically handles the problems associated with commercials.

[sorce360]

Originally Posted by wdhays

Features do not account for 8lb weight differences, power supplies do.

Some day you'll understand. -Like after you swap out your receiver 4-5 times. You get what you pay for.

Hey "Genius" ... The more features a unit has, the more power it commands !! the Amps. are exactly the same .. and so is the power out! The dimensions are identical in the 01 and the 03. .. Add a slightly bigger supply and an Alumminum Front (03 only) .. and there GOES YOUR 8Lbs. .. It has nothing to do with power output ... so as far as "true 100w"? 100w IS 100 WATTS, EINSTEIN! .. they were MEASURED!! .. and as far as me "Getting what I paid for? .. YOU Haven't exactly Justified the price diff. between the VSX 01 and the 03 ... YOU have no Idea what HDMI Jitter Reduction IS (.. not Eliminator ... "Reduction" .. which means it doesn't even get rid of the "JITTER" .. It REDUCES it) ... I suggest You stop Buyin' into the Propagandaz that all these Companies try to sell .. If you did your research you would've known that your beloved 806 has problems with the HDMI Repeater, Clips Images, weights 15 lbs. less than the 805 ( no burrbrown, smaller amp.) and doesn't provide Audyssey XT ... So in other words you were prably. better of with ah Pioneer VSX 01 since IT OUT-PERFORMS your Unit in EVERY WAY .. (ohhhh .. but I'm sorry ... You get what you pay for, right)

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by sorce360

Hey "Genius" ... The more features a unit has, the power it commands !! the Amps. are exactly the same .. and so is the power out! The dimensions are identical in the 01 and the 03. .. Add a slightly bigger supply and an Alumminum Front (03 only) .. and there GOES YOUR 8Lbs. .. It has nothing to do with power output ... so as far as "true 100w"? 100w IS 100 WATTS, EINSTEIN! .. they were MEASURED!! .. and as far as me "Getting what I paid for? .. YOU Haven't exactly Justified the price diff. between the VSX 01 and the 03 ... YOU have no Idea what HDMI Jitter Reduction IS (.. not Eliminator ... "Reduction" .. which means it doesn't even get rid of the "JITTER" .. It REDUCES it) ... I suggest You stop Buyin' into the Propagandaz that all these Companies try to sell .. If you did your research you would've known that your beloved 806 has problems with the HDMI Repeater, Clips Images, weights 15 lbs. less than the 805 ( no burrbrown, smaller amp.) and doesn't provide Audyssey XT ... So in other words you were prably. better of with ah Pioneer VSX 01 since IT OUT-PERFORMS your Unit in EVERY WAY .. (ohhhh .. but I'm sorry ... You get what you pay for, right)

if you believe just because the manufacturer says its 100w that it is 100w, well GL to ya on that. And wdhays has been very good about providing actual bench tests on the amps he has mentioned, if u read around a bit you might find that.

oh and while i had issues with my 806 center channel, i had no problems with it clipping images

[s0nIc]

IM NEW TO THIS WHOLE RECIEVER BIT AND FROM WHAT I HAVE LEARNED JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS 110 WATTS BY 7 DOSNT MEAN ITS GNA BE THAT

[wdhays]

Originally Posted by sorce360

Hey "Genius" ... The more features a unit has, the more power it commands !! the Amps. are exactly the same .. and so is the power out! The dimensions are identical in the 01 and the 03. .. Add a slightly bigger supply and an Alumminum Front (03 only) .. and there GOES YOUR 8Lbs. .. It has nothing to do with power output ... so as far as "true 100w"? 100w IS 100 WATTS, EINSTEIN! .. they were MEASURED!! .. and as far as me "Getting what I paid for? .. YOU Haven't exactly Justified the price diff. between the VSX 01 and the 03 ... YOU have no Idea what HDMI Jitter Reduction IS (.. not Eliminator ... "Reduction" .. which means it doesn't even get rid of the "JITTER" .. It REDUCES it) ... I suggest You stop Buyin' into the Propagandaz that all these Companies try to sell .. If you did your research you would've known that your beloved 806 has problems with the HDMI Repeater, Clips Images, weights 15 lbs. less than the 805 ( no burrbrown, smaller amp.) and doesn't provide Audyssey XT ... So in other words you were prably. better of with ah Pioneer VSX 01 since IT OUT-PERFORMS your Unit in EVERY WAY .. (ohhhh .. but I'm sorry ... You get what you pay for, right)

I corrected my comment. I can admit when I make a mistake. My last two, have come directly from manufacturers website errors, so really, their mistake.

If you read the forums, you would see my 806 went back. My 60" SXRD is 1080i, so no problem for me. And it clips below black, not images. Again, not a problem for a rear LCD.

Just trying to help others make educated decisions. When I find something that others are mistaken on, I try to include a link, so they can see for themselves. The purpose here is to get more info, not be the smartest guy.

And as far as believing the propaganda, "100 watts is 100 watts"? They got you, hook, line & sinker.

[sorce360]

Originally Posted by wdhays

I corrected my comment. I can admit when I make a mistake. My last two, have come directly from manufacturers website errors, so really, their mistake.

If you read the forums, you would see my 806 went back. My 60" SXRD is 1080i, so no problem for me. And it clips below black, not images. Again, not a problem for a rear LCD.

Just trying to help others make educated decisions. When I find something that others are mistaken on, I try to include a link, so they can see for themselves. The purpose here is to get more info, not be the smartest guy.

And as far as believing the propaganda, "100 watts is 100 watts"? They got you, hook, line & sinker.

First of all, I'm not,- nor I'm trynna be the smartest Guy here (just trynna learn, and help others learn as well) .. We can all benefit from each other ... But you are Absolutely right! the point is to help Others (& myself) make educated decisions (Truce!).. lol

This Link Below is A/V receivers Buying guide (Very Very VERY USEFULL) .. this breaks down how A/V's below $800 are typically tested .. it Explains how the amplification is measured and affected by numbers of channels and speaker inpedence .. this thing has alot of stuff I didn't know .. check it guys

http://www.timefordvd.com/hardware/r...ingGuide.shtml

[wdhays]

Very nice sorce360, thanks for contributing.

A few additional thing to keep in mind:

These are just the minimum specs to reach THX levels. I like 3db headroom, at least. This keeps your amps from straining.

Some speaker manufacturers tend to fudge on their sensitivity ratings. Research these, the same as you would amplifier power. Find their measured sensitivity, & go from there.

Lastly, and maybe more my opinion than anything, but, when figuring room size, I factor in the rest of the house.

I have never been fortunate enough to have a dedicated home theater room, therefore my home theater has always been open to the rest of the house. If you consider that, my 2500 cu/ft theater area turns into 23,000 cu/ft. (To minimize this I like to close all the doors to bedrooms, bathrooms , etc. I've heard the difference, not so much in SPL, but in clarity. -Less reverberation, I guess.)

I'm not saying that I'm trying to fill the whole area with 105db peak, sound levels, but I will say that there is a loss of sound pressure.

It's the same as rolling down your windows in your car. Not only do you lose some SPL but outside noise comes in. You have to turn it up to compensate.

For that reason I like another 3db. So my 50 watts turns into 100 watts for heardoom, then 200 watts for room size. That's why I am such a stickler for measured power specs. My main speakers handle 250 watts RMS & the Onkyo 876 in bridged mode should produce this with no problem. -The 875 did in excess of 300 watts.

Can't wait till it arrives. I'll keep you informed.

BTW, after you choose your components, they have to be set up properly to achieve maximum potential. It took me a while to realize how important this is. Here is some more useful info:

http://www.crutchfield.com/learn/lea...placement.html

http://www.crutchfield.com/Learn/lea...acoustics.html

[sorce360]

... just ordered my Pioneer VSX-01TXH from topchoicedigital.com ... the unit was $462.99 + $40. shipping. + $80 3-year service plan. = Total was $589.99, they're NOT an authorized dealer so pioneer does not honor the factory warranty (hence why I purchased the extended) that was the best I was able to find ... I will report on The Vsx- o1 and the vendor when I receive the unit ...