HD Guru Panasonic TCP50G10 Review

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by PSB_Paradigm_HSU

I just pulled the trigger and ordered a G10!

Quick question about the whole Hz and flicker issue.

Assuming that no flicker is present or visible on either setting which one is better to use? Which one does panasonic want us to use?

For example when I get it, I'll use 48Hz and if theres flicker, I'll switch it to 60Hz. But if I cant see flicker at 48, then just leave it at 48 right?

And it seems as though the higher the Hz the better (V10 96 Hz, no flicker). So doesnt that mean 60 Hz would be the more desirable choice following that logic?

Which one is better to use is entirely your choice. If you notice the flicker of the 48Hz mode and it bothers you while the 60Hz does not, use 60Hz.

60Hz is more desirable in terms of refresh rate, but 48Hz is more desirable in terms of no 3:2 judder (96 eliminates 3:2 judder as well).

To be honest, 3:2 judder is one of the least noticeable aspects of watching TV and you've been seeing it for 10 years on DVD, so you should find that if the flicker of 48Hz mode is distracting that 60Hz will do just fine.

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I've only seen the 50" V10 so far listed as coming with the single sheet of glass design.



I don't think it corrects it, but rather will change it totally.

We watched numerous sources over the week-end on a 42" G10 and in no instance could the flicker have been described as "unwatchable". From Band of Brothers to Pixar to Harry Potter, the 48Hz mode still looked great.

In fact it's most noticeable when you look 2ft away off to the side from the screen, but you wouldn't watch TV like that anyway. The 96Hz will increase the refresh rate to a point where you can't notice the rate, at 48Hz you can...same as with any PC monitor.

I haven't seen one of these sets in action myself, but there are numerous people around the forums who say they are still seeing the flicker in 48hz mode. Are some people just more sensitive to it while others just don't notice it?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

I haven't seen one of these sets in action myself, but there are numerous people around the forums who say they are still seeing the flicker in 48hz mode. Are some people just more sensitive to it while others just don't notice it?

I have seen every reviewer mention it, yet I rarely see an owner describe it as unwatchable. It's like an exacerbated cinema look. I think it's easy to notice when you look about two feet away from the screen, not so much when you're looking right at it.

The picture is so freaking gorgeous in 60Hz that it wouldn't concern me as a feature anyway, but I think it's definitely a case by case situation. Some people may not notice it at all, others may find it strong.

[lojack1976]

So, basically if you are sitting at the correct viewing distance it shouldn't be a distraction anyway. Am I correct? 60hz has performed beautifully for me too, so is the whole 24p thing an overblown issue?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

So, basically if you are sitting at the correct viewing distance it shouldn't be a distraction anyway. Am I correct?

That has been my experience. You may still notice it during scenes with heightened contrast, but I never thought it to be anywhere near unwatchable, noticeable might be a better word.

60hz has performed beautifully for me too, so is the whole 24p thing an overblown issue?

An emphatic YES would be my answer there - we've been watching DVD's at 60Hz for years and nobody ever talked about 3:2 judder until the CE's did.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

That has been my experience. You may still notice it during scenes with heightened contrast, but I never thought it to be anywhere near unwatchable, noticeable might be a better word.


An emphatic YES would be my answer there - we've been watching DVD's at 60Hz for years and nobody ever talked about 3:2 judder until the CE's did.

So WTH is even the point of 24p?? My KDS 60A2000 set doesn't support it, yet I cannot see anything visually on screen that looks any different/worse than what I saw at the movie theater other than a much much more gorgeous picture! What exactly am I "missing" with not having 24p? I hear the word "judder" being tossed around all the time regarding non-24p playback, I don't know what they're talking about. What visual flaw am I supposed to be seeing since my set doesn't support 24p?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

So WTH is even the point of 24p?? My KDS 60A2000 set doesn't support it, yet I cannot see anything visually on screen that looks any different/worse than what I saw at the movie theater other than a much much more gorgeous picture! What exactly am I "missing" with not having 24p? I hear the word "judder" being tossed around all the time regarding non-24p playback, I don't know what they're talking about. What visual flaw am I supposed to be seeing since my set doesn't support 24p?

Bingo! Your 60A2000 probably has a better picture than about 90% of 24p-capable sets on the market.

The point of it is, a new selling feature. I would choose a set based on ANSI contrast, black levels, colour accuracy, motion resolution and processing (deinterlacing/3:2 cadence/etc.) far ahead of judder-free 24p mode.