Onkyo to release yet another Toshiba player

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Amon37

If it is a re badged Toshiba than it's little cost to them upfront so I'm sure they can make some profit from it.

With the way Toshiba has already been slashing and burning on hardware prices?

I doubt it.

[aaronwt]

Originally Posted by JTK

With the way Toshiba has already been slashing and burning on hardware prices?

I doubt it.

It will be based on the XA2 with tweaked audio and video.

[Sir Terrence]

Its a symbolic move, just like porn in HD. It still cost alot of money to produce porn in HD, and some of the big players are releasing a little porn on HD on disc really as a symbolic move, without a real committment to the technology.

I look at Onkyo's move in much of the same way. However HD DVD folks like cheap players, so I don't know how well a Onyko product will do in that type of environment.

[Merlins]

Originally Posted by burdenbrother

The article states that Onkyo will have an hd dvd player out by fall with plans to at some point release a combo hd dvd and bluray player. I thought I heard Onkyo was prepping up their own bluray player, not hd dvd!
Here is the link: http://www.dvdtown.com/news/onkyo-wi...this-fall/4518

This is actually good news as Onkyo was one of the few (the only one?) besides Toshiba to be HD-DVD exclusive and release HD-DVD exclusive players. Now they show that they are in fact neutral. No other company than Toshiba have HD-DVD exclusive players. It looks like they are the only CE-company producing players that believes in HD-DVD. The dual players will function as a bridge for current HD-DVD owners that want to upgrade or for videophiles that want to buy many Universal movies very soon. They will have to pay for the dual support.

[clyon]

Do not fall for this, it is not going to happen. Look at where they got there info, Not from Onkyo, Not from Toshiba, who has to license the use for someone to use 'HDDVD' logo on the box/player. That is way the LG does Not have the HDDVD logo on it, because of Toshiba.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by clyon

Do not fall for this, it is not going to happen. Look at where they got there info, Not from Onkyo, Not from Toshiba, who has to license the use for someone to use 'HDDVD' logo on the box/player. That is way the LG does Not have the HDDVD logo on it, because of Toshiba.

You've got a point.

The original article cited by the OP is glorified hearsay unless there's actually at least one official press release from Onkyo themselves to back it all up with.

[gandley]

nah i think its real, but a cloned player with tweakes to audio and SD-Video (thought the TOSH XA2 was the best ever SD-DVD upscaler according to HD-DVD zealots)

Anyhow, a more official link.

http://whathifi.co.uk/home-cinema/ar...-at-onkyo.aspx

The official word is that the company supports both formats, and is hoping for a viable universal solution somewhere down the line.

I like the way Onkyo describe it as a very good SD DVD player with HD-DVD support. PRICE??

[clyon]

NO company is going to ever hand over there product to a competing company & say fine make a copy. That is VERY BAD business practices. The only thing Toshiba may do, is sell them a 'Useage' license for the HDDVD logo & Onkyo will have to do their own R&D for a hddvd player.

[gandley]

Originally Posted by clyon

NO company is going to ever hand over there product to a competing company & say fine make a copy. That is VERY BAD business practices. The only thing Toshiba may do, is sell them a 'Useage' license for the HDDVD logo & Onkyo will have to do their own R&D for a hddvd player.

Sorry your completely wrong. Its called cloning and is done all the time. for instance did you know for a long time that all Marantz dvd players were actually cloned pioneers? This is somthing that has been done all along with dvd players, Many high end brands were infact cheaper players with say for example marantz case and sound stage added, but all pioneer drive and video chips.
Its a good way to be quick to market and keep your R&D down.

THIS IS NOTHING NEW and still happens with some top branded makes. Shocking but is quite true.

there was a ROKSAN, dvd player that was based on a £100 dvd player but with all rocksan audio stuff and sold for £1000.

[clyon]

Originally Posted by gandley

Sorry your completely wrong. Its called cloning and is done all the time. for instance did you know for a long time that all Marantz dvd players were actually cloned pioneers? This is somthing that has been done all along with dvd players, Many high end brands were infact cheaper players with say for example marantz case and sound stage added, but all pioneer drive and video chips.
Its a good way to be quick to market and keep your R&D down.

THIS IS NOTHING NEW and still happens with some top branded makes. Shocking but is quite true.

there was a ROKSAN, dvd player that was based on a £100 dvd player but with all rocksan audio stuff and sold for £1000.

You can Not just clone something with out money switch hands & contracts. With out risk of a lawsuit.
Companys spend billions of dollars a year on R&D & want to see a returns. Corporate espionage is out there for a reason & companys take big steps to provent competing companies spying. All big companies do not allow cell phones with cameras throw the front door for a reason.
When a company regains the money they spent on R&D on a product, they can then sell/lease production licenses & still keep the patent on the product.



This is business 101

[gandley]

Originally Posted by clyon

You can Not just clone something with out money switch hands & contracts. With out risk of a lawsuit.
Companys spend billions of dollars a year on R&D & want to see a returns. Corporate espionage is out there for a reason & companys take big steps to provent competing companies spying. All big companies do not allow cell phones with cameras throw the front door for a reason.
When a company regains the money they spent on R&D on a product, they can then sell/lease production licenses & still keep the patent on the product.



This is business 101

Your going way OT, this is not an illegal clone.

Toshiba need others to make HD-DVD players, Onkyo may not want to invest alot of R&D, so they buy the basic parts from toshiba (in this case, the parts they want from the XA2). ONKyo then make a case, add a tweak or two, and there you have an ONKYO HD_DVD player. Its simple.
marantz use to source the drives and chipset from pioneer, and then resale as there own beefed up player. it was still called cloning (just a term) not re-engineering or illegal cloning.

Its quick econimical business. And is definatly business 101 if you understand how it works. and i do, and im sure you do now too.
Of course deals have to be done, if not we would not be seeing an onkyo HD_DVD player based on the XA2.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by clyon

NO company is going to ever hand over there product to a competing company & say fine make a copy. That is VERY BAD business practices. The only thing Toshiba may do, is sell them a 'Useage' license for the HDDVD logo & Onkyo will have to do their own R&D for a hddvd player.

Are you kidding?
They already had an RCA version of the HD-A1....and yes it would freeze up during playback of brand new hd dvd's and also locked up too frequently....just like the actual Toshiba version and all hd dvd players do.

[phloyd]

Sony's BD player is made by Pioneer.

The Philips BD player is a slightly modified Samsung.

Companies OEM other company's products all the time. They pay for it, but it generally costs a lot less than developing their own version.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by JTK

I'd really love to know, from Onkyo themselves, why they're even bothering at all?

Onkyo used to be Toshiba's subsidiary until the mid-90's. Knowing Japanese businesses, they probably still have a fairly strong relationship, so with Toshiba providing the basic design and thus costing Onkyo very little upfront cost, I don't think it's that surprising that they got talked into signing this contract....

for what it's worth
gandalf

[WriteSimply]

It's all about "the reference design". So long as the parts that you want to change (either to cut cost or add cost) doesn't screw up with the system's operation, you'd be fine. All you need to change is the chasis, the LCD/OLED display, the drive (slot or tray) and the face plate.


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[gandley]

Originally Posted by phloyd

Sony's BD player is made by Pioneer.

The Philips BD player is a slightly modified Samsung.

Companies OEM other company's products all the time. They pay for it, but it generally costs a lot less than developing their own version.

OEM, that was the term that just would not come to mind last night...Cheers.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by gand41f

Onkyo used to be Toshiba's subsidiary until the mid-90's. Knowing Japanese businesses, they probably still have a fairly strong relationship, so with Toshiba providing the basic design and thus costing Onkyo very little upfront cost, I don't think it's that surprising that they got talked into signing this contract....

for what it's worth
gandalf

That's as good of a theory as I've seen.

[Bullseye]

So there will be a second player on the market.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/06/o...-the-dv-hd805/

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

So there will be a second player on the market.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/06/o...-the-dv-hd805/

A slightly modified HD-XA2. More like the fourth version of the same player (HD-A2/A20/XA2 + DV-HD805)

Gary

[Bullseye]

I guess i meant second company besides the xbox.