Inside Man- Audio issue

[BallsDeepX]

Originally Posted by Gremal

While I am changing the thread title because I don't think it is a "major" problem (it doesn't affect anything but the last half hour, after all the action sequences have ended), I did alter my audio rating from a perfect score and added an addendum to the audio section of the review:

I completely disagree that it is a minor issue. To me anything that would keep me from buying a movie I planned on buying the day its released is major to me.

Thanks for updating your review though.

[davcole]

Yeah, i'd have to agree forgetting to encode a 5th channel in a 5.1 set up is major. A glitch like on Matrix Revolutions is minor.

[Gremal]

I guarantee you guys own plenty of titles you wish sounded as good as Inside Man with both rear channels dead for the entire film. I wouldn't hold off on this, just like I wouldn't hold off on the initial release of POTC for its video glitch. Disney eventually fixed that and sent replacements to owners. Hopefully Universal will do something similar, but there is no way I would tell people to avoid this great movie with its superb video and dynamic audio, regardless of a problem with the right surround. Even with the problem, the release far surpasses the audio performance of most BDs.

[JJ]

I must agree with Greg. I still plan on buying this, it's not enough of an issue to merit skipping out on a great release.

[lgans316]

As mentioned in the other forum this is an excellent find that might put off many from purchasing the BD. I hope blu-ray.com notifies UNI about the defect.

[Craig02]

No doubt it will be region locked anyway so i will have to wait for the UK version no matter what.

I just hope its sorted by then

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by Craig02

No doubt it will be region locked anyway so i will have to wait for the UK version no matter what.

I just hope its sorted by then

On the contrary, it's Universal. Therefore 99.9% chance of it being region free.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Craig02

No doubt it will be region locked anyway so i will have to wait for the UK version no matter what.

I just hope its sorted by then

I will pay you $10 by PayPal if Inside Man is Region Locked.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Guys,
I'm thinking of ripping the DTS-HD track onto my pc and extracting each of the channels so that I can definitively confirm the differences.

If possible, what I might do is use the rear right channel from one of the other 5.1 mixes so you all can hear the difference.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Originally Posted by Gremal

I guarantee you guys own plenty of titles you wish sounded as good as Inside Man with both rear channels dead for the entire film. I wouldn't hold off on this, just like I wouldn't hold off on the initial release of POTC for its video glitch. Disney eventually fixed that and sent replacements to owners. Hopefully Universal will do something similar, but there is no way I would tell people to avoid this great movie with its superb video and dynamic audio, regardless of a problem with the right surround. Even with the problem, the release far surpasses the audio performance of most BDs.

I'm not understanding your logic in the least.

This is a problem that affects 1/4 of the length of the film. AN ENTIRE CHANNEL of sound is missing here. If the film has as dynamic a range as you claim it does then it's even more handicapped by the missing channel.

Perhaps YOU wouldn't hold off a purchase because of it but a great many others will, as evidenced by this thread. And I do have a problem with your changing the title of the thread simply because YOU don't think it's a major problem.

Fine...we get it. You missed it in your review. But don't downplay it's significance because you missed something while you were doing part of your responsibilities as a reviewer.

I'd personally take a film with ALL channels that was mixed in a mediocre way over a film that has a GREAT mix but is missing a channel. Your logic is flawed, to say the least, and makes me very worried about any of your reviews if a missing channel gets an apparent free pass.

[Scorxpion]

Originally Posted by Craig02

No doubt it will be region locked anyway so i will have to wait for the UK version no matter what.

I just hope its sorted by then

It is verified by DVDBEAVER as a region free BD on his multiregion player.

you can check it here www.dvdbeaver.com

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC

I'm not understanding your logic in the least.

This is a problem that affects 1/4 of the length of the film. AN ENTIRE CHANNEL of sound is missing here. If the film has as dynamic a range as you claim it does then it's even more handicapped by the missing channel.

Perhaps YOU wouldn't hold off a purchase because of it but a great many others will, as evidenced by this thread. And I do have a problem with your changing the title of the thread simply because YOU don't think it's a major problem.

Fine...we get it. You missed it in your review. But don't downplay it's significance because you missed something while you were doing part of your responsibilities as a reviewer.

I'd personally take a film with ALL channels that was mixed in a mediocre way over a film that has a GREAT mix but is missing a channel. Your logic is flawed, to say the least, and makes me very worried about any of your reviews if a missing channel gets an apparent free pass.

Well said.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC

I'm not understanding your logic in the least.

This is a problem that affects 1/4 of the length of the film. AN ENTIRE CHANNEL of sound is missing here. If the film has as dynamic a range as you claim it does then it's even more handicapped by the missing channel.

Well I'm not understanding your logic either. If we wish to assign a numeric effect of this problem and assuming all channels are equal (even though we know that the front three are the most important), we can make an equation like 1/5 (the number of channels effected) x 1/4 (the duration effected) = 1/20th of the audio mix. It's serious, and it warrants mention and I'm not saying it doesn't.

Perhaps YOU wouldn't hold off a purchase because of it but a great many others will, as evidenced by this thread.

They haven't heard it. Maybe if they had, they wouldn't care as much.

And I do have a problem with your changing the title of the thread simply because YOU don't think it's a major problem.

Ok, let's just call it a "problem" and we can let everyone decide for themselves whether they think it's major or minor, ok?

Fine...we get it. You missed it in your review. But don't downplay it's significance because you missed something while you were doing part of your responsibilities as a reviewer.

Writing off the entire BD for this problem and saying "an entire channel" as if it's the center or left or right for the duration of the film does not make sense.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Writing off the entire BD for this problem and saying "an entire channel" as if it's the center or left or right for the duration of the film does not make sense.

Incredible.

I would think that a site called Blu-ray.com wouldn't endorse a product that is CLEARLY flawed.
NOT "writing off" a dvd with a major defect sends a message that it's ok.

[Gremal]

It's better than just ok. It has REFERENCE QUALITY audio performance for the majority of the film.

The Mona Lisa is flawed, but if I could afford it, I'd buy it.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Originally Posted by Gremal

It's better than just ok. It has REFERENCE QUALITY audio performance for the majority of the film.

The Mona Lisa is flawed, but if I could afford it, I'd buy it.

Would you buy the Mona Lisa if part of it were missing?

Sure, the complete painting would be "reference quality" but would you bother with it if you knew the painter could still finish it and fill in the missing piece?

[Gremal]

Part of it is missing; it's faded and cracked with time. The omission of treble/midrange is regrettable in the surround right during the last half hour, but does it make the BD worth avoiding? I don't think so by any means but YMMV.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC

Actually, I would argue there are some really good moments that utilize the rear surrounds from that point on. The entire release of the prisoners from the bank, the storming of the bank, and especially the music for the last 30 minutes. It's an incredibly directional sound mix and was (obviously) immediately apparent to me. With all due respect, I wouldn't consider an entire channel missing from a mix to be a "minor" problem. I really wish you hadn't changed the title of the thread.

It seems like a very major issue to me as well. Personally, I would call it a major defect.

[The Morning Star]

I totally agree with DigitalfreakNYC. I'll just take it a step further and dismiss all further reviews by this guy because he didn't even notice an entire channel of audio missing for 1/4 of a film and then gave it 5 stars. Laughable.

[DigitalfreakNYC]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Part of it is missing; it's faded and cracked with time. The omission of treble/midrange is regrettable in the surround right during the last half hour, but does it make the BD worth avoiding? I don't think so by any means but YMMV.

Then I don't think you're a reliable reviewer but YMMV.