Wonder Woman (2017)

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Most fleshed out? Was there something omitted from Superman: The Movie, Batman Begins, and Captain America: The First Avenger?

Most flesh shown, I'd say. But I can't complain about that. Gadot was great in the role and looked great, too.

Those are all great too in my opinion, but this one just felt a little more complete to me. They spent more time than you'd expect during her younger years, and the history of the Amazon women, compared to the lore of Superman, and Batman. I just felt a greater sense of the development of the character than I did with any of those others. With Batman, things just seem a bit rushed along to get him to be Batman, same with Superman. And when they are those respective characters, they seem to have everything "figured out" so to speak. Wonder Woman has a more leisurely but steady pace that slowly builds up the character, and we get to see her develop before our eyes. I feel a lot of origin films lack that degree of development. I think First Avenger did a great job in that respect too, but as a whole, I think WW is the better rounded out film.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Well, this film and one other did have something very much in common:

[Show spoiler]World War period piece notwithstanding, In the climax, the patriotic hero named Steve hijacks an enemy airplane loaded with a weapon of mass destruction and flies it out to safety, sacrificing himself to save everyone and devastating the woman who loves him.

Final assessment:

Captain America:The First Avenger = underrated/underappreciated

Wonder Woman = overrated/overappreciated

Both are very good films, even great films, and comparison between them is justified, but the results of that comparison should not be that vast between them, and if anything, Cap should have the advantage of being called the better movie, IMO.

This coming from someone who loves DC and Marvel equally, but often has to defend DC against Marvel loyalists who hate on it. Just speaking as the voice of reason here.

You could also draw parallels from red skull and zola. To the villans in this movie.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Those are all great too in my opinion, but this one just felt a little more complete to me. They spent more time than you'd expect during her younger years, and the history of the Amazon women, compared to the lore of Superman, and Batman. I just felt a greater sense of the development of the character than I did with any of those others. With Batman, things just seem a bit rushed along to get him to be Batman, same with Superman. And with those when they are those respective chrarcters, they seem to have everything "figured out" so to speak. Wonder Woman has a more leisurely but steady pace that slowly builds up the character that I feel a lot of origin films lack. I think First Avenger did a great job in that respect too.

Fair enough.

Maybe it's just me, but I thought they could have spent more time on Themyscira (I loved that stuff) and especially in London (just to flesh out Sir Patrick's character -- and to have more of Etta, who was fun), but I understand that we had to get to No Man's Land and everything that comes afterwards, and the movie was running long as it was.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

They spent more time than you'd expect during her younger years, and the history of the Amazon women, compared to the lore of Superman, and Batman. I just felt a greater sense of the development of the character than I did with any of those others. With Batman, things just seem a bit rushed along to get him to be Batman, same with Superman.

If Superman '78 and Batman Begins didn't exist they would have spent more time on them, too. But those films do exist, and were very popular, so they took some short cuts in relating their backgrounds, especially Batman.

Interestingly, they move fast with Superman's pre-revealed to the world origin, but they've significantly stretched out his post-reveal. Narratively, he won't match up with the character as presented at the end of Superman '78 until the end of Justice League.

[SarahS]

Just got back really good film for a comic hero by far better than those epic failures such as Batman V Superman or Suicide Squad. Got four stars from me as there is no such thing as a 5 star comic film. 5 stars would be reserved for things like Casablanca. Seven Samurai and Star Wars (1977)

[Rodney-2187]

Any guesses where WW will end up on this list?

1 Marvel's The Avengers - $623,357,910
2 The Dark Knight - $534,858,444
3 Avengers: Age of Ultron - $459,005,868
4 The Dark Knight Rises - $448,139,099
5 Iron Man 3 - $409,013,994
6 Captain America: Civil War - $408,084,349
7 Spider-Man - $403,706,375
8 Spider-Man 2 - $373,585,825
9 Deadpool - $363,070,709
10 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - $355,474,332
11 Spider-Man 3 - $336,530,303
12 Guardians of the Galaxy - $333,176,600
13 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - $330,360,194
14 Suicide Squad - $325,100,054
15 Iron Man - $318,412,101
16 Iron Man 2 - $312,433,331
17 Man of Steel - $291,045,518
18 The Amazing Spider-Man - $262,030,663
19 The Incredibles - $261,441,092
20 Captain America: The Winter Soldier - $259,766,572
21 Batman - $251,188,924
22 X-Men: The Last Stand - $234,362,462
23 X-Men: Days of Future Past - $233,921,534
24 Doctor Strange - $232,641,920
25 Hancock - $227,946,274

[motorheadache95]

I really liked this film-- since there are inevitable comparisons to Captain America: The First Avenger (both being period-piece origin stories), I'd give the edge to Wonder Woman.

My only minor gripe is the ending, which I thought was a little too cheezy (no spoilers but it has that "Oh noooo the power of Loooove" kind of of thing going). But this is easily my favorite of these DC films so far (which isn't saying much, but still). I'd give it an 8/10.

[Cremildo]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

Any guesses where WW will end up on this list?

1 Marvel's The Avengers - $623,357,910
2 The Dark Knight - $534,858,444
3 Avengers: Age of Ultron - $459,005,868
4 The Dark Knight Rises - $448,139,099
5 Iron Man 3 - $409,013,994
6 Captain America: Civil War - $408,084,349
7 Spider-Man - $403,706,375
8 Spider-Man 2 - $373,585,825
9 Deadpool - $363,070,709
10 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - $355,474,332
11 Spider-Man 3 - $336,530,303
12 Guardians of the Galaxy - $333,176,600
13 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - $330,360,194
14 Suicide Squad - $325,100,054
15 Iron Man - $318,412,101
16 Iron Man 2 - $312,433,331
17 Man of Steel - $291,045,518
18 The Amazing Spider-Man - $262,030,663
19 The Incredibles - $261,441,092
20 Captain America: The Winter Soldier - $259,766,572
21 Batman - $251,188,924
22 X-Men: The Last Stand - $234,362,462
23 X-Men: Days of Future Past - $233,921,534
24 Doctor Strange - $232,641,920
25 Hancock - $227,946,274

I have no reason to think it'll gross less than 250 million.

[Rodney-2187]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Just got back really good film for a comic hero by far better than those epic failures such as Batman V Superman or Suicide Squad. Got four stars from me as there is no such thing as a 5 star comic film. 5 stars would be reserved for things like Casablanca. Seven Samurai and Star Wars (1977)

Star Wars can get 5 stars but a movie based on a comic book can't?

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

Any guesses where WW will end up on this list?

1 Marvel's The Avengers - $623,357,910
2 The Dark Knight - $534,858,444
3 Avengers: Age of Ultron - $459,005,868
4 The Dark Knight Rises - $448,139,099
5 Iron Man 3 - $409,013,994
6 Captain America: Civil War - $408,084,349
7 Spider-Man - $403,706,375
8 Spider-Man 2 - $373,585,825
9 Deadpool - $363,070,709
10 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - $355,474,332
11 Spider-Man 3 - $336,530,303
12 Guardians of the Galaxy - $333,176,600
13 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - $330,360,194
14 Suicide Squad - $325,100,054
15 Iron Man - $318,412,101
16 Iron Man 2 - $312,433,331
17 Man of Steel - $291,045,518
18 The Amazing Spider-Man - $262,030,663
19 The Incredibles - $261,441,092
20 Captain America: The Winter Soldier - $259,766,572
21 Batman - $251,188,924
22 X-Men: The Last Stand - $234,362,462
23 X-Men: Days of Future Past - $233,921,534
24 Doctor Strange - $232,641,920
25 Hancock - $227,946,274

My guess would be between 4 and 6 on the list

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

Star Wars can get 5 stars but a movie based on a comic book can't?

Star Wars changed the entire film making industry. No comic film has ever done that.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by rodneyfaile

Any guesses where WW will end up on this list?


10Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - $355,474,332
11Spider-Man 3 - $336,530,303
12Guardians of the Galaxy - $333,176,600
13Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - $330,360,194
14Suicide Squad - $325,100,054
15Iron Man - $318,412,101
16Iron Man 2 - $312,433,331
17Man of Steel - $291,045,518
18The Amazing Spider-Man - $262,030,663

Higher than #18, lower than #10. I'm thinking it'll be the new #15.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Star Wars changed the entire film making industry. No comic film has ever done that.

The Avengers did.

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by captveg

The Avengers did.

Yeah right... it didn't create new special effects. It broke no ground for summer films. It broke no box office record. It broke no new ground on merchandising or how films were shot. So what did it do again? It put a bunch of superheroes in one film. Star Wars was a transcendent film much the way GWTW was in 1939

[Rodney-2187]

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2
Guardians of the Galaxy
Deadpool
X-Men: Days of Future Past
The Avengers
Watchmen
Wonder Woman
Iron Man
Captain America: The First Avenger
Captain America: Winter Soldier

[captveg]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Yeah right...

It returned serialized movies to the mainstream, something not seen in Hollywood since the pre-TV 1940s.

[Cremildo]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Star Wars changed the entire film making industry. No comic film has ever done that.

Wait a minute, you rate movies based on what change they effected on the industry?

So Shawkshank Redemption gets what, 1 star?

[Merlinpants]

Truly fantastic film, nothing else to say. enjoyed every minute of it.

[yellowjacket1]

I enjoyed this movie yet found there was quite a bit of logic flaws to overlook. I've only seen it once and maybe upon farther review they won't be flaws but...

Major spoilers...

[Show spoiler]- Why exactly does blowing up the plane filled with incredibly deadly gas half a mile above everyone's head help anything??? If I remember right didn't Steve say that everyone in a 50 mile radius would die if it goes off on the ground or elsewhere? I know having the plane in sight for Wonder Woman to see adds emotion and gravitas to his death but it makes no sense as the gas might disperse some but still do a ton of damage.

- Where is Themyscira? Forgive my lack of WW mythos knowledge but the movie seems to indicate it's close to Turkey? In the Mediterranean Sea? Somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean? Steve and Diana hop on a tiny boat (which I assume Diana stocked with food and water even though it's not shown) and sail for London through war infested seas? What happened to the German ships that launched the initial German raiding party? Isn't THAT a problem for the queen? Was there a naval fleet outside of their cloak? How and why was Steve shot down? It's not like the Germans could track a Bi-Plane in WWI pre-radar. A LOT of shortcuts in plot are overlooked for the sake of advancing the story.

- As powerful and as cool as the "No Man's Land" scene was... would anyone fire on a woman (and by the day's standard a beautiful NAKED woman) walking toward them with a tiny shield? There's no way anyone opens fire let alone with massive machine guns.

Again, like most superhero/fantasy films getting too literal is pointless and these things certainly didn't sink the movie for me but things like this does have my original rating at about 7.5 or so and nowhere close to 10/10 territory.

[Blu_Scotty7942]

Originally Posted by yellowjacket1

I enjoyed this movie yet found there was quite a bit of logic flaws to overlook. I've only seen it once and maybe upon farther review they won't be flaws but...

Major spoilers...

[Show spoiler]- Why exactly does blowing up the plane filled with incredibly deadly gas half a mile above everyone's head help anything??? If I remember right didn't Steve say that everyone in a 50 mile radius would die if it goes off on the ground or elsewhere? I know having the plane in sight for Wonder Woman to see adds emotion and gravitas to his death but it makes no sense as the gas might disperse some but still do a ton of damage.

- Where is Themyscira? Forgive my lack of WW mythos knowledge but the movie seems to indicate it's close to Turkey? In the Mediterranean Sea? Somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean? Steve and Diana hop on a tiny boat (which I assume Diana stocked with food and water even though it's not shown) and sail for London through war infested seas? What happened to the German ships that launched the initial German raiding party? Isn't THAT a problem for the queen? Was there a naval fleet outside of their cloak? How and why was Steve shot down? It's not like the Germans could track a Bi-Plane in WWI pre-radar. A LOT of shortcuts in plot are overlooked for the sake of advancing the story.

- As powerful and as cool as the "No Man's Land" scene was... would anyone fire on a woman (and by the day's standard a beautiful NAKED woman) walking toward them with a tiny shield? There's no way anyone opens fire let alone with massive machine guns.

Again, like most superhero/fantasy films getting too literal is pointless and these things certainly didn't sink the movie for me but things like this does have my original rating at about 7.5 or so and nowhere close to 10/10 territory.

While I can't argue with your spoilers, I also find myself willing to overlook all of them. When the movie is good which is during a lot of the time it's really good and I can overlook all of the spoilers you gave.