Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I agree, with the right setup the Quality is right up there with any Disc. I have a 65" Sony UHD TV, and watch the Latest Releases way before they come out on Disc. Usually with my Optical Fiber Sony Headsets with Lossless Sound.

Originally Posted by zarquon

You've mentioned these before; what exactly are "Optical Fiber Sony Headsets"?

There is a Digital Optical Out connection on the back of most TV's now. Instead of using the Analog Out connections, just gives you a Clean Digital Output. So the Sound is as crisp and clear as you can get it.

[wolfpackTri]

Originally Posted by Talal86

I love both too. I just used Apple tv with my 4k 65" tv for the first time, (I usually use it with a smaller screen) watched 'The Great Wall' and the PQ/AQ were very good

buying every movie I was interested in physically made my collection a mess, so I decided to split my purchases between blus and itunes and I'm very happy with the decision so far, it actually rejuvenated my interest in blu rays (and movies in general), cause I used to dread looking at my shelves and see dusty blu rays I'll never watch

I agree. I used to have around 150 Steelbooks, 50 or more 3D movies, and tons of blurays.

I sold every Steelbook and 3D movie, a bunch of blurays, and gave some away. I was all about Vudu and UV until I switched everything to Apple and I think iTunes is way better than Vudu.

I don't understand the obsession with physical media collecting. All those people who spent thousands on DVDs, did it again with blurays, and are now doing it again with 4k Bluray are just wasting money.

I buy movies and TV shows on iTunes and love the $4.99 sales and watch them on my iPhone, iPad, and Apple TV. When I travel, the iPad comes with me and I can watch anything in my collection at any time.

When I finally woke up one day and realized Steelbook collecting is a giant waste of money and I was putting movie cases in plastic cases on a shelf to only stare at the spines, I decided to never again buy another Steelbook.

3D movies are another stupid waste of money.

Having a giant collection of movies on a bookshelf doesn't make you cool in my opinion. It's almost like being a hoarder to me. I get that some of you are obsessed with the quality. That's almost like being obsessed with the frame rates in PC gaming. You kind of hit a point where it's not perfect, but it's really great.

When PC gaming switched to all digital distribution, everyone's lives got a little easier. Movies should find a way to slow down on disc production and move everything to a central source like Steam or EA Origins. Once this happens, and we can download full lossless audio/video files onto our computers and devices, digital will be even better than it is now.

The file size will be huge but could possibly be an option for a purist.

But the days of having bookshelf after bookshelf of movies and a house full of junk are slowly and thankfully ending.

Bring on digital everything.

[whipnet]

I used digital optical on my home theater setup from the late 90's until HDMI came out. Seems like overkill to use for just 2 channels. (Headphones)

(BTW - Optical does not support the Dolby Digital Plus, TrueHD, and DTS HD formats, which are supported under HDMI.... why I changed)

As far as Lossless Audio, I don't think any movie streams in uncompressed audio. Even Dolby Digital starting with AC3 is a Lossy audio compression format. So what format are these Lossless Audio movies being streamed in?

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[zarquon]

Originally Posted by alchav21

There is a Digital Optical Out connection on the back of most TV's now. Instead of using the Analog Out connections, just gives you a Clean Digital Output. So the Sound is as crisp and clear as you can get it.

The Toslink optical connection only supports up to Dolby Digital 5.1 audio; it does NOT support any of the modern lossless codecs. So even if you're getting full lossless audio through your streaming service (doubtful), you're not hearing it.

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by zarquon

The Toslink optical connection only supports up to Dolby Digital 5.1 audio; it does NOT support any of the modern lossless codecs. So even if you're getting full lossless audio through your streaming service (doubtful), you're not hearing it.

Unless I am mistaken, a lot TV's even downgrade the optical out to 2.0.

[zarquon]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

Unless I am mistaken, a lot TV's even downgrade the optical out to 2.0.

Many do, yes; I know mine does.

[BGGIII]

Originally Posted by zarquon

Many do, yes; I know mine does.

My TV bitstreams Dolby Atmos through optical.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

Unless I am mistaken, a lot TV's even downgrade the optical out to 2.0.

Originally Posted by zarquon

Many do, yes; I know mine does.

Originally Posted by BGGIII

My TV bitstreams Dolby Atmos through optical.

Don't fall down laughing, even HDMI has problems with Lossless Sound. All I know it sounds Terrific through my Sony Headphones and the Video Quality is Outstanding, especially with Sony Ultra UHD Movies!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes, Happy Streaming to you, this Tread has slowed down. I was texting this friend up in Portland, OR and asking him about Movies. He use to watch a fair amount of Movies and he would buy and rent. So I asked him if he bought or rented Movies anymore, and watched them on DVD or Blu-ray Player. He said all he does now is watch Amazon, Netflix, or DirectTV. He never buys or rents Discs anymore, and neither does anyone he knows. So the Disc or Digital is going heavy on the Digital HD! It's a One Horse Race and Always Digital is Winning!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

By the way, don't you get cold under that bridge?

Or maybe you are nervous that Apple will buy Disney and that will be all she wrote for your beloved UV and Digital HD through Vudu.

Well Steedeel, this Thread has bogged down again, but did you hear the latest. Internet Speeds Globally are way below 25Mbps, and the U.S. is in 10th Place with 18.7Mbps. South Korea is in 1st with 28.6, but the U.K. is in a dismal 15th with 16.9Mbps. Here in The States, Utah ranks 10th with 20.7Mbps, my Speed is up there around 75Mbps with FTTH. My point being in order to appreciate Digital HD, and now UHD Streaming you need Solid Bandwidth. So UV Digital HD or Streaming Providers like Vudu won't go into Countries that can't support the Bandwidth.
https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...-Speeds-139685

[Eye Candy]

Both

Physical for films I really respect.

Digital for above if included with the purchase.

And, Digital for films i really respect, that didn't have the VUDU codes included.

[veritas]

As far as downsides for owning digital it looks like we are having another randomly vanishing digital copies on vudu week. I need to make a excel page of all of my movie titles on vudu because this happens way to often. As far as I can tell I am missing iron man 2, Thor, The Avengers, toy story and Cinderella. It looks like all of the Disney coaster disc digital copies just went from hd to sd on dma and vanished all together on vudu.


I have never had a blu ray transform from day to day into a DVD but that seems to be par for the course for digital sometimes.

[cpr3584]

yikes. this is what keeps me from using digital HD as my primary source- despite my large library. looks like CinemaNO finally bit the dust as well

[randian]

You need to unlink and relink your Vudu account to DMA to get the videos back.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by veritas

As far as downsides for owning digital it looks like we are having another randomly vanishing digital copies on vudu week. I need to make a excel page of all of my movie titles on vudu because this happens way to often. As far as I can tell I am missing iron man 2, Thor, The Avengers, toy story and Cinderella. It looks like all of the Disney coaster disc digital copies just went from hd to sd on dma and vanished all together on vudu.


I have never had a blu ray transform from day to day into a DVD but that seems to be par for the course for digital sometimes.

It's Disney. Right now it looks like XML redeems and DVD redeems that were upgraded are missing or SD now.

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[cpr3584]

people have had to unlink and relink their libraries several times over the past couple years. Unless people are mind readers how are they supposed to know this when they see movies simply disappear from their accounts. Looks like digital may not be so "convenient" after all

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by veritas

As far as downsides for owning digital it looks like we are having another randomly vanishing digital copies on vudu week. I need to make a excel page of all of my movie titles on vudu because this happens way to often. As far as I can tell I am missing iron man 2, Thor, The Avengers, toy story and Cinderella. It looks like all of the Disney coaster disc digital copies just went from hd to sd on dma and vanished all together on vudu.


I have never had a blu ray transform from day to day into a DVD but that seems to be par for the course for digital sometimes.

Don't blame VUDU here....this is a DMA issue. Some DMA movies are messed up at all linked DMA providers and even DMA itself. For some reason....everyone protects DMA and won't say anything bad against them.

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

Don't blame VUDU here....this is a DMA issue. Some DMA movies are messed up at all linked DMA providers and even DMA itself. For some reason....everyone protects DMA and won't say anything bad against them.

Sometimes I wonder if they're as blind as Apple fanboys. Heil Disney!

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[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by whipnet

Sometimes I wonder if they're as blind as Apple fanboys. Heil Disney!

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I honestly think most of it is one and the same. I think what it boils do to is it's more against UV. Since Disney is not UV, they are amazing.

Basically Disney created their own UV, just for their movies.

1. Digital Locker - Check
2. Digital Locker to Connect to Providers - Check

Exactly what UV did and continues to try to do. Like I said and other have said....you can't force providers to join UV.

[twobelowpar]

Not even comparable. Disney links to all the major provider/storefronts and then some. UV links to one.

[twobelowpar]

Ok.
Well first off, UV doesn't even try outside the US. So that's why there are still millions of people who just stick to iTunes or something else that isn't UV. But even looking past that, I don't know what else to say. I'm not anti-UV. I wish iTunes and Amazon etc would join UV. But what Disney did was much better for the consumer as a whole.