Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[Kyle15]

What is marketing??

[TravisTylerBlack]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

The Lost World is the only good one of the bunch. It hasn't been horrifically degrained, retains its soft photography and the color-timing is pretty close. The soundtrack is not the theatrical one tho iirc. So that's the only place where it's meh. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's the only one of the bunch worth owning. JP's remaster is a hot mess and JP3's disc is some kind of Frankenstein abomination of upscale-looking garbage..

I truly believe that the original negative for JP1 has either been lost or irreparably damaged sometime during the last 20 years. The aggressive grain reduction we keep seeing on its HD and 4K presentations is likely due to Universal attempting to mask its being sourced from a second generation element.

That’s the only thing that makes sense in my mind outside of, perhaps, Spielberg simply hating the look of the existing grain structure yielded by the original film stock. Either way, something fishy is going on.

[d3nt0n]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

I truly believe that the original negative for JP1 has either been lost or irreparably damaged sometime during the last 20 years. The aggressive grain reduction we keep seeing on its HD and 4K presentations is likely due to Universal attempting to mask its being sourced from a second generation element.

That’s the only thing that makes sense in my mind outside of, perhaps, Spielberg simply hating the look of the existing grain structure yielded by the original film stock. Either way, something fishy is going on.

With all the CG used they wouldn't be able to use the negative for most of the film, it'd have to be sourced from at least an IP.

[PipesDonatello]

Originally Posted by Viking61

Good. The rest of the movies are slow-roasted dog sh*t.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

I truly believe that the original negative for JP1 has either been lost or irreparably damaged sometime during the last 20 years. The aggressive grain reduction we keep seeing on its HD and 4K presentations is likely due to Universal attempting to mask its being sourced from a second generation element.

That’s the only thing that makes sense in my mind outside of, perhaps, Spielberg simply hating the look of the existing grain structure yielded by the original film stock. Either way, something fishy is going on.

The original negative exists, but they used IP footage for all the CGI scenes. They either can't or won't foot the bill to recomposite the original effects. It's probably a bit of both. Pitch Black's CGI was recomposited for its restoration iirc, so it's doable...if the data and money is there.

[starsteam]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

It triggers me that the five films aren't in the correct order.

They're in order of best-picture quality, obviously.

Also, "New to 4K"? No, no.

[Ssj3 Goku]

Originally Posted by 1924

First three need new transfers. Shameful releases

The lost world is actually a pretty good transfer but I agree with the first and 3rd film, they really need new transfers.

[rexcrk]

Neat that they’re releasing the movies in individual releases for those who don’t want the whole series.

I like ‘em all though and I’ve got the set where each one is in an individual super slim case with the 4K and the Blu-ray, so I’m good.


Waiting to see what they do when the new movie comes out before I re-buy these… again lol.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by PipesDonatello

Good. The rest of the movies are slow-roasted dog sh*t.

No.

[PipesDonatello]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

No.

In the grand scheme of things, probably not. Just my personal opinion.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by PipesDonatello

In the grand scheme of things, probably not. Just my personal opinion.

no

[TravisTylerBlack]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

The original negative exists, but they used IP footage for all the CGI scenes. They either can't or won't foot the bill to recomposite the original effects. It's probably a bit of both. Pitch Black's CGI was recomposited for its restoration iirc, so it's doable...if the data and money is there.

You would think that Spielberg would push for it if that were the case though, yes? Also, that doesn’t really explain the disparity in quality between the transfers for JP1 and JP2 re: why the first is so drastically grain managed while Lost World isn’t. Could it simply come down to different choices in film stock?

I swear, one day I’m going to run into Spielberg around town and make myself look like a total ass by immediately asking about JPs 4K transfer lol

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

You would think that Spielberg would push for it if that were the case though, yes? Also, that doesn’t really explain the disparity in quality between the transfers for JP1 and JP2 re: why the first is so drastically grain managed while Lost World isn’t. Could it simply come down to different choices in film stock?

I swear, one day I’m going to run into Spielberg around town and make myself look like a total ass by immediately asking about JPs 4K transfer lol

Nothing to do with filmstock, no. Universal sort of pulled a Disney with it and went "bare bones" which entails scan and go. It's not a critical darling so no red carpet. JP3 was an off the shelf master that looks like it was originally prepared for DVD or TV.

There's plenty of IP footage in the trilogy anyway, and they went to large lengths for the first even though it meant bad DNR. Why they don't play the same game across the board is anyone's guess.

[steev210]

It'd be nice if Universal would offer a free movie ticket or coupon towards Jurassic World: Dominion with these 4K releases. Just like they used to do when they had a new, high profile film hitting theaters and cross-promoted it with catalog re-releases of the same franchise or genre on home video to drum up interest.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

I truly believe that the original negative for JP1 has either been lost or irreparably damaged sometime during the last 20 years. The aggressive grain reduction we keep seeing on its HD and 4K presentations is likely due to Universal attempting to mask its being sourced from a second generation element.

That’s the only thing that makes sense in my mind outside of, perhaps, Spielberg simply hating the look of the existing grain structure yielded by the original film stock. Either way, something fishy is going on.

I don't see how that makes any sense at all. You need to scrub grain just because OCN isn't used? Tons of discs have been produced from IP or RP that have beautiful grain on blu-rays. Scrubbing the grain is what makes it look like it is a crap source, not leaving it alone.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Ssj3 Goku

The lost world is actually a pretty good transfer but I agree with the first and 3rd film, they really need new transfers.

stinks that the two best are the ones with the crap transfers

[TravisTylerBlack]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

I don't see how that makes any sense at all. You need to scrub grain just because OCN isn't used? Tons of discs have been produced from IP or RP that have beautiful grain on blu-rays. Scrubbing the grain is what makes it look like it is a crap source, not leaving it alone.

That’s not what I meant at all. Read my statement again. I postulated that Universal was attempting to mask the fact (or rather, “compensate” in their minds) that their 4K transfer was sourced from an IP (which would have a denser grain field than the OCN) with their overly-aggressive DNR.

Of course I wasn’t inferring that an IP should have any sort of DNR or grain management applied whatsoever. Why would I advocate for such a thing? One of my favorite UHD transfers is the IP-sourced (and grainy as hell) Beastmaster, for christ sakes.

[aviosis]

“New to 4K” lol what is this a sneaky way to give us new transfers or GRUV bungling their marketing?

[NeilZ]

Fortunately two of the top three have great transfers (Lost World and Jurassic World). All we need now is a remaster of Jurassic Park someday.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by TravisTylerBlack

That’s not what I meant at all. Read my statement again. I postulated that Universal was attempting to mask the fact (or rather, “compensate” in their minds) that their 4K transfer was sourced from an IP (which would have a denser grain field than the OCN) with their overly-aggressive DNR.

But I don't see how that makes sense. How does applying DNR to an IP or RP sourced item mask what it was sourced from? All that does is reduce fine details and texture even more and make it look even less like from an OCN. And studios have put out non-messed with stuff sourced from other than OCN all the time. They made it waxy, not even just taking a trace off the grain.

Of course I wasn’t inferring that an IP should have any sort of DNR or grain management applied whatsoever. Why would I advocate for such a thing? One of my favorite UHD transfers is the IP-sourced (and grainy as hell) Beastmaster, for christ sakes.

(although I feel they rather oversaturated that disc and also made the HDR fake nuts level, have to really tame it and mess with TV settings and even the grain looks perhaps a bit sharpened)